Prospect Info: 2015 18th overall - Thomas Chabot (D) Saint John Sea Dogs

topshelf15

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This kid will hopefully end the turnstyle ,in the number 4 hole .And give EK a decent PP option for once .For me the sooner he gets here the better ,We can ship Cowen and Wiercioch to Siberia for all i care:laugh:
 

OD99

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I know some were really big on him here (those that seem to have some scouting background or connection to junior mainly) and I had never seen him play so had nothing to base an opinion on but from rookie tourney to the 2 preseason games I am a believer.

He has obvious puck and skating skills but his poise is well beyond his years. Several times he was put in a bad position by his D partner last night and he just calmly made the right play.

If he carries this in to the season can't see him being left of Team Canada and wouldn't be surprised if he pushed his way on to the big club next season. He will need to get a lot stronger to handle the rigors of the season but wow...might be a home run with that pick.
 

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We haven't had a player this young, be this good since EK himself. Dude checks all the boxes to be a two way star dman one day. What's also great is that he is a quick learner, just like EK.

Chabot- Karlsson will be 0_0.
 

Xspyrit

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The thing is, White probably would have left equally as good an impression as Chabot has.

I said one of the things Ottawa needs to do this summer was to have an excellent draft especially 1st round picks. I think we've done that.

I was just thinking about that... Which will be regarded as the best pick between the 2? White or Chabot? Yes it's early but I think that's another 2 homeruns with our 1st round picks. I dunno how they do it basically every time.
 

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lol im not sure what this comment means

It means when an 18 year old dman plays in the NHL and all you have to critique is lack of offence, that's a very encouraging thing.

He's got skill, and he'll put up quality numbers as long as he plays in the league. The question is, is he a 20 minute Dman or a 25 minute Dman in 3-4 years?
 

ChocolateLeclaire

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I still chuckle at the posters who were up in arms that we took White and Chabot.

Chabot looks amazing and White is the #1 ranked US college prospect.
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Yah, our scout team clearly know less than HFSens...
 

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It means when an 18 year old dman plays in the NHL and all you have to critique is lack of offence, that's a very encouraging thing.

He's got skill, and he'll put up quality numbers as long as he plays in the league. The question is, is he a 20 minute Dman or a 25 minute Dman in 3-4 years?
Ah yes exactly. Funny, after watching Murrays interview when asked Chabot his only negative is he wants him to work on his shot
 

dumbdick

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Says a lot about how good this draft was that Chabot and white look so strong right out of the gate. I suspect we're not alone in being thrilled with our picks this year.
 

BloodRedArmy

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Totally out of the loop this preseason, what's the story with White? Is he not in camp? Is he injured? And what about Englund? Are they just committed elsewhere?
 

Nac Mac Feegle

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I was watching the Bobby Mac interview, he said Chabot hasn't even signed an entry level deal yet.

Is that correct?

Don't guys have to have some sort of contract or agreement in place before playing a game? At least for insurance purposes? Or is that only for established NHLers?

I was just thinking about that... Which will be regarded as the best pick between the 2? White or Chabot? Yes it's early but I think that's another 2 homeruns with our 1st round picks. I dunno how they do it basically every time.

Nooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We have too many Player A vs Player B on the boards happening. Let's not start any more.

Both kids are going to be great in their own ways.
 

operasen

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Given a corps around something like
Methot - Karlsson
Wiercioch - Ceci
Cowen - Wideman
Borowiecki

and Phillips on IR, does Chabot get 9 games?

Wikstrand is done; Claesson will be 1st call up from Binghamton and when Chabot goes back to Junior will be essentially unavailable except on emergency basis.

Love to see him get a taste of it. If we get a injury or sub-par start to the season to any of the 7, he could stick.
 

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Given a corps around something like
Methot - Karlsson
Wiercioch - Ceci
Cowen - Wideman
Borowiecki

and Phillips on IR, does Chabot get 9 games?

Wikstrand is done; Claesson will be 1st call up from Binghamton and when Chabot goes back to Junior will be essentially unavailable except on emergency basis.

Love to see him get a taste of it. If we get a injury or sub-par start to the season to any of the 7, he could stick.

It is dangerous to let him play in the NHL. I think he will look too good. Too much tempatation to play him all year, when he really should play junior.

I think the team may realize this and not give him a cup of tea.
 

Ice-Tray

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It is dangerous to let him play in the NHL. I think he will look too good. Too much tempatation to play him all year, when he really should play junior.

I think the team may realize this and not give him a cup of tea.

If he looks too good, and acts too good.... What is the point of sending him down again? We just haven't had a blue chipper in a while, so we forget that these guys can often play in the NHL. Happens every year.

If he shows to be good enough for the NHL, and that means better than guys we have already to make the team, you keep him up.
 

BonkTastic

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If he looks too good, and acts too good.... What is the point of sending him down again?

Because you can stunt a players growth by throwing too much at him, too soon.

Just because he's good enough to play better than Mark Borowiecki right now, doesn't mean that it's the right thing for him to do as far as development is concerned. You want a player like Chabot to have the mindset that it's OK to make mistakes while learning, something for which there is a much smaller tolerance for in the NHL. A lot of players that age who are put in the NHL too young get caught up in not making mistakes, it curbs them of their creative instincts and creates a mindset that favors "playing safe", instead of developing their game and maturing as a player.
 

Ice-Tray

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Because you can stunt a players growth by throwing too much at him, too soon.

Just because he's good enough to play better than Mark Borowiecki right now, doesn't mean that it's the right thing for him to do as far as development is concerned. You want a player like Chabot to have the mindset that it's OK to make mistakes while learning, something for which there is a much smaller tolerance for in the NHL. A lot of players that age who are put in the NHL too young get caught up in not making mistakes, it curbs them of their creative instincts and creates a mindset that favors "playing safe", instead of developing their game and maturing as a player.

Come now Bonkie, it's not like you to relegate my post to the lowest common denominator!

I'm not arguing to keep Chabot up at this point, but am extending a previous post from another poster.

Sure, players may be stunted, though factually there is no possible way to know given that once a player has been 'stunted' there is no way to know whether they would have been better had they stayed in junior for another year. It is a fall back device to explain why players sometimes don't live up to the hype. Could be a real issue, may not be, and is certainly requires a case by case analysis.

In addition, if a player shows that they can play well in the 9 games and be a valuable member of the team, there should be little fear that they will all of a sudden be stunted because they're not relegated to be playing with kids any more.

Also, 18 year olds making the jump don't do it when they are playing marginally better than you 6-7th dman (your example). They make it when they are playing at a top 4 calibre and are clearly better than your 5,6,7 options at least (my example).

Chabot at the moment is playing better than anyone not named Ceci, EK, and presumably Methot. Pre-season etc, and I'm not saying he should stay up, but if his confidence continues to grow, and he continues to be our third best option, there will be a discussion. Murray alluded to the fact that there will be a discussion, though at the moment they are leaning towards returning him.

I'm interested to see what happens, and don't think that playing in the NHL is automatically stunting to 18-19 year olds. If they have the moxie and the skills, it can be the best thing for them.
 

aragorn

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Come now Bonkie, it's not like you to relegate my post to the lowest common denominator!

I'm not arguing to keep Chabot up at this point, but am extending a previous post from another poster.

Sure, players may be stunted, though factually there is no possible way to know given that once a player has been 'stunted' there is no way to know whether they would have been better had they stayed in junior for another year. It is a fall back device to explain why players sometimes don't live up to the hype. Could be a real issue, may not be, and is certainly requires a case by case analysis.

In addition, if a player shows that they can play well in the 9 games and be a valuable member of the team, there should be little fear that they will all of a sudden be stunted because they're not relegated to be playing with kids any more.

Also, 18 year olds making the jump don't do it when they are playing marginally better than you 6-7th dman (your example). They make it when they are playing at a top 4 calibre and are clearly better than your 5,6,7 options at least (my example).

Chabot at the moment is playing better than anyone not named Ceci, EK, and presumably Methot. Pre-season etc, and I'm not saying he should stay up, but if his confidence continues to grow, and he continues to be our third best option, there will be a discussion. Murray alluded to the fact that there will be a discussion, though at the moment they are leaning towards returning him.

I'm interested to see what happens, and don't think that playing in the NHL is automatically stunting to 18-19 year olds. If they have the moxie and the skills, it can be the best thing for them.

With Phillips on the IR & Wideman & Prince pretty much guaranteed a roster spot at this point it may be a question of just not having the room to keep Chabot even for a 9 game stint. However, should someone be hurt & out of the lineup like Greening for example that would certainly open up a spot for a few games until the injured player returns.

There are 14 forwards including Greening & Prince & 8 defencemen including Wideman & Phillips which including the goalies adds up to 24 players. With Phillips injured that leaves the required 23 man roster although they could always waive Greening but would they do that to him at the beginning of the yr to give a rookie who they plan on sending back anyway a few games or give Greening a decent shot at keeping his NHL job? I think BM will give the NHL player a decent shot besides they are not in the same position as last yr when they needed to make some kind of splash at the beginning of the yr to help sell tickets & kept Lazar around for marketing purposes. Ticket sales are much better this yr building on their run from last season & all the talk around the team from draft day to training camp, lots of optimism around the team that wasn't there last yr.
 

SlapJack

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As much as it would be nice to see him do a 9 game stint, I don't care how good he looks, only the most special defensemen should play in the NHL at 18. It rarely happens and most occasions when it does, that player was a late birth that missed the draft cutoff from the year before. And physically developed.

Ekblad was one of those extremely rare circumstances, but that guy was a #1 overall pick and looked like a full grown man at 15 years old.
 

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