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dahrougem2
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Yes, please. Penalized teams shouldn't be let off the hook because 1 goal was scored. Make the PP the full 2 minutes all the time.
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I don't like the idea at all. It is hard enough for the PK units to change as it is. Why make it even harder and end up helping teams that have poor PP puck possession. The onus should be on the PP team to get better at setting up and controlling the puck.
With that being said my main reason for being against it is that it will put even more pressure on the linesmen to get the icing call correct. On 5vs5 very often you see guys dumping the puck a few feet before reaching the red line but in that case it is not as crucial to call these. However when you have only 2 minutes of PP coaches will demand perfection from the linesmen to call these properly as they are loosing anywhere from 10-20 seconds to get setup again. The problem though is that it is very difficult to judge when the puck leaves the stick therefore creating a lot of arguments from coaches.
There are so many other areas they can increase offense without creating such problems. Leave the PP/PK alone. Start with reducing the goalie equipment instead. That wouldn't create any controversy and go from there.
henchman21
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I could get behind this but I still say start with the goalie equipment. That would be the best way to increase offense. If it is not enough then look at changes in the game to solve the problem.
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I understand why it is being suggested but as I said look at changing things that doesn't affect the way the game is played first. Only then should they start looking at these kind of solutions.
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I'm up for a number of these things.
The goalie equipment thing should be changed (just because it feels kind of like cheating to me), but in truth, I don't mind 1-0 games, as long as it's a good fast skilled game. If the goalies are great, so be it.
IMO, what sucks far, far, farfarfarfarfar more than goaltender equipment, is the (growing) trend of teams stacking all 5 players directly in front of the goaltender, and opposing teams have to score against 6 defacto goaltenders on the ice simultaneously. This is one of the very worst things to happen to the NHL game in recent memory. A big percentage of the pucks don't even get to that oversized goaltending equipment. I'm not sure what can be done about it, however.
I'm all in for PK icing and full 2 minute power plays. I'm game for defensive blue line or 'imaginary line' face-off dot icing in these cases. But again, the big thing that kills power plays (IMO) is not icings, but rather PP units having to shoot against 5 simultaneous goaltenders. Even with the man advantage, shots don't get through nearly often enough.
The goalie equipment thing should be changed (just because it feels kind of like cheating to me), but in truth, I don't mind 1-0 games, as long as it's a good fast skilled game. If the goalies are great, so be it.
IMO, what sucks far, far, farfarfarfarfar more than goaltender equipment, is the (growing) trend of teams stacking all 5 players directly in front of the goaltender, and opposing teams have to score against 6 defacto goaltenders on the ice simultaneously. This is one of the very worst things to happen to the NHL game in recent memory. A big percentage of the pucks don't even get to that oversized goaltending equipment. I'm not sure what can be done about it, however.
I'm all in for PK icing and full 2 minute power plays. I'm game for defensive blue line or 'imaginary line' face-off dot icing in these cases. But again, the big thing that kills power plays (IMO) is not icings, but rather PP units having to shoot against 5 simultaneous goaltenders. Even with the man advantage, shots don't get through nearly often enough.
It is cheating in a way, Hank saved one the other day because the puck got stuck in his jersey which is hanging of off him like a tent. This was posted a while ago and it is spot on.
dahrougem2
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There is definitely way too much of an emphasis on shot blocking in today's NHL and how players just get in the lanes to take away any shooting angles so that, IF you get it past the players you've still got to deal with an over-sized goaltender back there.
I just don't know how to combat that. I'm not sure a "defensive 3 seconds" like in the NBA would work in the NHL.
I just don't know how to combat that. I'm not sure a "defensive 3 seconds" like in the NBA would work in the NHL.
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I agree with your second point 100%. I hate it as well but same as you I can't see a solution to it.
Another thing I would try before going to PK icings is maybe increasing the zones by a foot or so. It would give more room to the PP unit to control the puck and it would bring out the PK FWDs from their net. This should open up passing lanes as well between the PK FWDs and Ds.
As I said people could come up with quite a few ideas to increase scoring before having to come up with solutions that changes the game itself.
Penalties, leaving your skates to block the shot results in a two minute minor. Or reduce the pads.
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Yeah, I'm stumped. The officiating of such a complex fast-paced game is already difficult and therefore inconsistent. Could you imagine them trying to make real-time calls on a zone defense?
I'd love for there to be a deterrent to pony up all of those pseudo-goaltenders, but I can't think of one that wouldn't royally screw up the game in another way.
dahrougem2
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I would be ok with calling a penalty for leaving your skates to block a shot but I feel like more shots get blocked by players standing up and forming a wall than they do players going down.
Ivan that video of Corey Hirsch is great. I wish the NHL would just look at that video and make a decision already. That's how a goalie should really look. They're still protected, everything else that he took away is just extra to stop pucks, not to protect.
The shin pads for players can also be reduced. I think they've gotten too bulky over the years themselves and aid in shot blocking. Also, if you really want to reduce shot blocking I'd ban those plastic skate protectors because it seems like more players are willing to block shots with their skates more than ever before due to those things protecting them.
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Should change goalie equipment back to this. Had to actually have skill back then with this equipment.
It's not like the puck has been changed into a bowling ball so the protection then is more then adequate now IMO. I will agree a mask is necessary with the worries about concussions nowadays. I think one rule they should look at bringing back is not letting goalies go down in the butterfly anymore. When you think about it the butterfly is ruining goaltending. Make the goalies stay on their feet, if they stop the puck it'll look awesome.
It's not like the puck has been changed into a bowling ball so the protection then is more then adequate now IMO. I will agree a mask is necessary with the worries about concussions nowadays. I think one rule they should look at bringing back is not letting goalies go down in the butterfly anymore. When you think about it the butterfly is ruining goaltending. Make the goalies stay on their feet, if they stop the puck it'll look awesome.
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I don't like either one of those rules. I don't care about special teams scoring more, that doesn't excite the games that much more for me. Just a gimmicky way to increase goals. It's just gonna lead to more injuries anyway. Groin pulls from over exerting weakened muscles, and broken bones from too many desperation shot blocks.
They need to open up 5 on 5 play more. That's where hockey's excitement comes from. Go back to calling obstruction. They basically stopped called all the penalties in the neutral zone. You can hold, interfere, set picks, hook the hands. They saw all these penalties before and called all of them. Now they call none of them. That means it's clearly a conscious choice when they see it to not call it. It's lead to defensive coaching and systems taking over again, because that's the only way to compete with everyone else doing it.
That trapezoid rule is ridiculous. Quit introducing so many silly rules.
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Although I agree mostly with your post unfortunately this is still subjective to the refs. Not all the refs call these the same way. Look at the obstruction call on the player dumping the puck. They used to call that a lot more Now they are allowing a lot more contact between the dman and the player dumping the puck. They also allow the dman to skate in front of the player way too much. but again it is all subjective to the refs. Goalie equipment is really the first one they should change. That would go a long way.
The trapezoid is a good suggestion. Remove that from the game. It is also suggestive to the refs as sometimes the puck leaves the goalie's stick outside the trapezoid and they don't call it because it is too close. Let the goalie wonder off and play the puck. Some of them are so bad at handling the puck there will be more turnovers.
Any change in rules that introduces more inconsistency between refs should be avoided as we have already way too many of those. The icing rule on PK would be just one more of these. I'm totally against it. I'd prefer to go to the full 2 minutes before doing that and I'm against that as well as there are other ways to go first.
agentblack
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I always wondered why if scoring chances occurred more in the 2nd (long change) why cant they do that for every period?
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agentblack
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yeah but i just realized why they dont. Its just inconvenient for the staff and players to have to get up and set up shop every period.
Of course to that if im Bettman i say so effing what. At least try it.
agentblack
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Why cant it be every period though? hehe im just trying to think of the logistics in my head, it should work. Your zone over there the bench way on the other side for every period.
Tweaky
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Get rid of the trapezoid, and shrink goalie equipment the way Hirsch lays it out, that is a good start.
Not sure how to deal with the shot blocking, will have to ruminate on it.
A big one for me, though I have not given the full think-through yet, is to start calling more stuff majors; charging, checking from behind, boarding, high sticking, etc. can all be called majors if warranted, and I feel they need to start bringing that in more often, for player safety as well as speed and flow of the game. I get why they are letting the obstruction on the fore-checkers happen...it slows them down so when they run the D collecting the puck, it is less dangerous. Well, call bad hits in that situation major penalties, and you can call the obstruction....the fore-checkers may be faster as a result, but they will also pay the price if the screw up with all that speed. Same with predatory hits anywhere on the ice...if it is late, or a head hit...sit the guy for 5. Start making it hurt the team, and coaches will use players that play clean.
If you start calling more majors, you don't have to change the one score per minor rule. And I am not worried about there being more 5v4 time...it will adjust as players and coaches figure out how to avoid those calls. For a minor call, like a trip (usually), a 2 minute kill that ends with a goal is plenty. But for something like a slew foot, 5 minutes of score-all-you-can is appropriate, IMO.
Another complaint of mine is fighting calls. I am tired of seeing a guy that gets punched in a scrum, never drops his gloves, and at most tried to tie up the puncher, yet gets called 5 for fighting. Or the guy that turtles gets a fighting major...how? If one guy is the clear aggressor, throw his butt in the box for 5 minutes by himself. Case in point...Kucherov got a matching minor for getting sucker-punched by Prout. Sustr got nothing for going after Foligno (though both of them could have gotten roughs). Prout got the misconduct, but that does not hurt the team. So a play that resulted in a trip, a scrum and a suspension left the team that had a guy knocked out of the game ona 5v4 powerplay, rather than 5v3.
I would also like to see more stuff called to cut down on the scrums. More bad than good comes from those. No need to go after a guy for a good hit, no need to get in someones face for standing near the crease. It just slows the game down. Either drop the gloves, or skate away. But also call unsportsmanlike for snowing the goalie, and slashing for whacking at his glove, etc.
And I also do not care about gloves...a punch is a punch, and as far as concussions are concerned, a gloved punch is at least as dangerous as a bare knuckle one. Throw a punch, get a fighting major.
Not sure how to deal with the shot blocking, will have to ruminate on it.
A big one for me, though I have not given the full think-through yet, is to start calling more stuff majors; charging, checking from behind, boarding, high sticking, etc. can all be called majors if warranted, and I feel they need to start bringing that in more often, for player safety as well as speed and flow of the game. I get why they are letting the obstruction on the fore-checkers happen...it slows them down so when they run the D collecting the puck, it is less dangerous. Well, call bad hits in that situation major penalties, and you can call the obstruction....the fore-checkers may be faster as a result, but they will also pay the price if the screw up with all that speed. Same with predatory hits anywhere on the ice...if it is late, or a head hit...sit the guy for 5. Start making it hurt the team, and coaches will use players that play clean.
If you start calling more majors, you don't have to change the one score per minor rule. And I am not worried about there being more 5v4 time...it will adjust as players and coaches figure out how to avoid those calls. For a minor call, like a trip (usually), a 2 minute kill that ends with a goal is plenty. But for something like a slew foot, 5 minutes of score-all-you-can is appropriate, IMO.
Another complaint of mine is fighting calls. I am tired of seeing a guy that gets punched in a scrum, never drops his gloves, and at most tried to tie up the puncher, yet gets called 5 for fighting. Or the guy that turtles gets a fighting major...how? If one guy is the clear aggressor, throw his butt in the box for 5 minutes by himself. Case in point...Kucherov got a matching minor for getting sucker-punched by Prout. Sustr got nothing for going after Foligno (though both of them could have gotten roughs). Prout got the misconduct, but that does not hurt the team. So a play that resulted in a trip, a scrum and a suspension left the team that had a guy knocked out of the game ona 5v4 powerplay, rather than 5v3.
I would also like to see more stuff called to cut down on the scrums. More bad than good comes from those. No need to go after a guy for a good hit, no need to get in someones face for standing near the crease. It just slows the game down. Either drop the gloves, or skate away. But also call unsportsmanlike for snowing the goalie, and slashing for whacking at his glove, etc.
And I also do not care about gloves...a punch is a punch, and as far as concussions are concerned, a gloved punch is at least as dangerous as a bare knuckle one. Throw a punch, get a fighting major.
henchman21
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I'd like to see the phasing out of some neutral zone defensive systems to increase the speed of the game... how to do that is an issue (probably some sort of illegal defense penalty) and the refs would have to call it, but these trap systems that collapse 4 or even 5 skaters on one side of the ice to force dump ins are absolutely part of the problem (along with the lack of penalties, goalie equipment, etc).
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