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Are teams allowed to have 9 defensemen and 13 forwards instead of 8+14? Otherwise Brodin can't be added.
 
Elvs said:
Are teams allowed to have 9 defensemen and 13 forwards instead of 8+14? Otherwise Brodin can't be added.
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Thuresson took the last spot. A goaltender (Lundqvist) could be added.



At least we have Thuresson & Granberg!
 
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Pär Mårts is so out of touch with who the talented guys are. Not wanting Brodin or Hagelin(if Rangers gets knocked out)? :laugh:

I mean, who takes Talliner to Sochi instead of Hedman just because he was a fun guy in the dressing room?

Had it not been for the Sedins coming over last year he would never ever been given the award "coach of the year" here in Sweden. I mean, they should have given the award to the Sedins.
 
Well, luckily the defense has been rock solid so far in the tournament, so it's not like we could use a top D who just happens to be excellent defensively......





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johnny_rudeboy said:
Pär Mårts is so out of touch with who the talented guys are. Not wanting Brodin or Hagelin(if Rangers gets knocked out)? :laugh:

I mean, who takes Talliner to Sochi instead of Hedman just because he was a fun guy in the dressing room?

Had it not been for the Sedins coming over last year he would never ever been given the award "coach of the year" here in Sweden. I mean, they should have given the award to the Sedins.
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It was never Tallinder vs Hedman. Hedman got cut because Marts decided to go with combos, CHI and DET.


edit: which I am still not convinced was a good idea by the way... So I am not really defending Marts here. Especially since I think (and thought) that Karlsson-Hedman would make a great top pair.
 
LaGu said:
It was never Tallinder vs Hedman. Hedman got cut because Marts decided to go with combos, CHI and DET.


edit: which I am still not convinced was a good idea by the way... So I am not really defending Marts here. Especially since I think (and thought) that Karlsson-Hedman would make a great top pair.
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Yeah I know it was not to the choice between those two (other then there is a limit on how many guys you can bring and PM went with old and done instead of young and upcoming).
But say the decision was between Eriksson vs Hedman and he still did not choose Hedman. That is madness and show that he is not competent.

He put to much stock into the social aspect of it, that the guys need to get along and have proven chemistry. Like if some of the best defenseman in the league in Brodin and Hedman could not build up chemistry with each other or others.

And this years roster seem more like a "thank you" to the European based players from the Swedish ice hockey federation for them showing up during the season for all these little tournaments. They need a strong roster for the games in Sweden so they can raise the ticket prices and make some money.

We need coaches and a GM who picks players only based on their talents, leave the politics out of it.
 
LaGu said:
It was never Tallinder vs Hedman. Hedman got cut because Marts decided to go with combos, CHI and DET.


edit: which I am still not convinced was a good idea by the way... So I am not really defending Marts here. Especially since I think (and thought) that Karlsson-Hedman would make a great top pair.
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It was definitely about Tallinder vs Hedman (and vs a whole lot of other options better than Tallinder)... If the combos were untouchable, meaning that Kronwall, Hjalmarsson, Oduya & Ericsson were fix from the start, then the remaining players were competing among themselves for the 4 leftover spots. Tallinder got it, Hedman didn't.. so how was it not a choice between one of the two?

Anyway... the Swedish picks on defense were pretty bad IMO, almost as bad as the Czech roster. And that says a lot.
 
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TommySalo said:
Foookin hell. Marts is an idiot:shakehead
And I thought that after BAG it couldn't get worse:bb:
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BAG was perhaps not great but he did get the best out of some of our star players by playing them a lot. Previously I always had the feeling Lidstrom and the others had been used as just any regular roster players. Lidstrom is at his best when he plays a lot and the game from the backend is centred around him. He is not some guy who should take every 3rd or 4th shift.
 
joe89 said:
Any player eliminated now would say the same thing. Roster is full, good time to cash in plus points whether you mean it or not.
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Yeah, why would a young up coming player who knows there will be a World Cup and possibly an Olympic tournament coming up in a few years not want to play for his country?

Brodin has always accepted to play for Tre Kronor when called upon in the past. If he say he would come, he would have.
 
Eriksson - Lander - Forsberg
Lindström - Sjögren - Möller
Rask - Lindholm - Ericsson
Josefson - Lundqvist - Thuresson

Klefbom - Ekman-Larsson
Klingberg - Kronwall
Ekholm - Granberg

Lundqvist
Enroth
 
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I have no issue with either Granberg or Thuresson, but this is a little bit wierd, he choice to go with deep players instead of top players? Risky move, not sure I agree, but if he get the gold then no one can really complain.

I would love to see Brodin. He is young but still experince (have played a lot of playoff and a WC and been good in all) and play a mature game consider his age. Plus beside what he would have possible add to this team in this WC. he is also a borderline player when it comes to olympics and it would be good to see him in WC so you know where he stands internationally.

I also thought that MÃ¥rts was a big fan of Brodin, consider how much he talk about him being the future of sweden and how hard it was to cut him in the olympics. Now he cut him for Granberg and Thuresson?
 
johnny_rudeboy said:
Yeah, why would a young up coming player who knows there will be a World Cup and possibly an Olympic tournament coming up in a few years not want to play for his country?

Brodin has always accepted to play for Tre Kronor when called upon in the past. If he say he would come, he would have.
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I can refresh your memory to last year. We had one spot left, Brodin was specifically the guy they waited for. Wild were eliminated and Brodin got the call. He said no and cited injury after playing every playoff game.

So he couldn't be arsed to go to Minsk last year, not a big deal. Maybe he even was injured, abeit no way so bad he couldn't play as was shown by playing big minutes in the playoffs. But then don't expect a call every year either after a playoff elimination, or simply don't speak to media when you know the roster is full. When the shoe fits, right?
 
Which WC did we use a super defensive tactic in the quarterfinals and forward to the final? Was it on Conny Evenssons time?
 
Both BÃ…G and MÃ¥rts are good coaches, but they are godawful at picking their teams. So many glaring mistakes, over and over. They have absolutely inadequate knowledge of NHL players, despite that being a huge part of their job. At the information age, I cannot fathom how this can be a problem at the highest level of the hockey organization. Probably because they and their staff are too old to barely use a mobile phone.

Sweden's defense has been an abomination this tournament, at the same time as the offense has been clicking very well. To not leave a spot open for a top defenseman is questionable at best.
 
joe89 said:
I can refresh your memory to last year. We had one spot left, Brodin was specifically the guy they waited for. Wild were eliminated and Brodin got the call. He said no and cited injury after playing every playoff game.

So he couldn't be arsed to go to Minsk last year, not a big deal. Maybe he even was injured, abeit no way so bad he couldn't play as was shown by playing big minutes in the playoffs. But then don't expect a call every year either after a playoff elimination, or simply don't speak to media when you know the roster is full. When the shoe fits, right?
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Yes Brodin might have missed the train. Still, why not waiting a bit more with the last skater. We got a heap of skaters still waiting to be eliminated, or not.

Bäckström or Hagelin
Backlund or... well a heap of others but they are not eligible
Or a remote chance for Hedman.

All of these would be major improvement even Hagelin.
 
Chimp said:
Both BÃ…G and MÃ¥rts are good coaches, but they are godawful at picking their teams. So many glaring mistakes, over and over. They have absolutely inadequate knowledge of NHL players, despite that being a huge part of their job. At the information age, I cannot fathom how this can be a problem at the highest level of the hockey organization. Probably because they and their staff are too old to barely use a mobile phone.

Sweden's defense has been an abomination this tournament, at the same time as the offense has been clicking very well. To not leave a spot open for a top defenseman is questionable at best.
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I can't really believe that they don't know about the NHL-players. I think it must be something else. Perhaps they being so much wrapped up in the hockey environment in Sweden. "Politics" as some state, but it is a superficial term, which suggest that MÃ¥rts etc actually have an active choice. I think they are structured to do things in a certain way, less meditated decisions and more a cultural thing with patron/clients and dependabilities. One such factor is that the players they have to work with during season are very much the players they have in Europe. Not the best but those they build a relationship with, it matters. That they don't really feel they got the room to manoeuvre as we who follow the NHL would like them to.

With that said, if it is true, we would have a better team for the Olympics/WC if we skipped the national team between these tourneys, send the juniors or what ever for other tournaments, so that you don't get locked up in promises and patronage between the more important tournaments. Then when Olympics and WC comes up you just open the flood gates for NHL/KHL players and fill up with occasional SHL-players if needed.
 
No, seriously they don't know about the NHL players. BÃ…G literally didn't know who Douglas Murray was or that he was Swedish some years ago. And when you select Mika Hannula over Tomas Holmstrom, or Mattias Weindhandl and a washed up Fredrik Modin over Mikael Samuelsson, something is wrong. Same thing with Tallinder over the likes of Hedman and Brodin last year.
 
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LiveeviL said:
I can't really believe that they don't know about the NHL-players. I think it must be something else. Perhaps they being so much wrapped up in the hockey environment in Sweden. "Politics" as some state, but it is a superficial term, which suggest that MÃ¥rts etc actually have an active choice. I think they are structured to do things in a certain way, less meditated decisions and more a cultural thing with patron/clients and dependabilities. One such factor is that the players they have to work with during season are very much the players they have in Europe. Not the best but those they build a relationship with, it matters. That they don't really feel they got the room to manoeuvre as we who follow the NHL would like them to.

With that said, if it is true, we would have a better team for the Olympics/WC if we skipped the national team between these tourneys, send the juniors or what ever for other tournaments, so that you don't get locked up in promises and patronage between the more important tournaments. Then when Olympics and WC comes up you just open the flood gates for NHL/KHL players and fill up with occasional SHL-players if needed.
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Yeah it was me who brought up the politics when it comes to team selection. And if we go back some years the European based players declined to play in the Euro-tournament since when the Worlds started they where not being selected anyway. That meant that when Sweden hosted the tournament they did not have a good enough team to ice and there was less reasons for the fans to go to the games. The product was not good enough. And Tre Kronor is Swedish hockeys main brand and hosting the yearly tournament is how they make a lot of their money. I reckon the other counties was not pleased with it either since they of course wants Sweden to send the best players available for when they host the tournaments. And it is important have a good relationship with the other countries since they together decide what countries will host the world championship.

I mean, this is the same guys who seriously discussed suspending young players from the junior national team as well as Tre Kronor if they left to early to play in the CHL or college hockey in NA. Their way of thinking is a bit different then most others who just look who are the best players.

I can somewhat understand their position anyway. They play 4 small tournaments with some other games played before those and thus gets a more personal relationship with the players. And if they are to have a good team in the Euro tour they need the best players based in Europe during the season and then need to give them a chance to play in the World championship. And it is not as if these players are bad, they are all good players. But the top end players are all in the NHL and we must have a better relationship with them. Simple as that.

And I think Pär Mårts is a bit behind in what kind of players are effective. He seems to still be in love with the defenders who are tall and heavy but who struggle with handling the puck. The defenders who are effective today are the ones who can skate and handle the puck. Just look at our roster, it is mostly large defensive d-man and grinders with some skill up top.
 
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