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Jablkon said:
..........[....].......They could easily stay in second league and wait for reall opportunity which will probably come if they are good enough (speaking about Zboril).
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The biggest issue with that is that it doesn't happen very often. Czech clubs would rather play grizzled old veterans than young guys with potential. If this wasn't true, then why did they introduce the rule about having a minimum number of young players playing on the team? The thing is, being "stuck" in the 2nd league is not as good an option as playing in NA (at the moment).

Jablkon said:
Would they guarantee him a spot in AHL now? No.
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They can't play in the AHL at that age as far as I know. So that's neither here nor there.

Jablkon said:
And you want him to have a chance in CZ league? Why exactly?Is he good enough for czech league? I suppose no one knows..I remember watching some juniors playing for Trinec last year and they were terrible.....I know that AHL has higher quality than czech league now. But where is written that he would get a chance in any other senior league, especially when he is 17?
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I think he might get a good chance in Sweden for example (or even Finland). These countries are quickly becoming an option for guys who don't want to go as far away as Canada for their development.


Jablkon said:
In my opinion it really does matter where he developes.... You take care of him, you develope him not only because of him but also because of your club.But he does not have the main goal to play for your team because his main goal is NHL draft. So most of them leave and than when they are not succesfull they comming back to czech. You do not see that paradox?
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It's certainly a problem, I agree. The only way to reduce the number of players going to NA is to improve the development program at home. Lener has been trying to do this for some time. In the meantime you simply have to accept that players will leave to play in Canada in the CHL. But like I said, Sweden is very quickly becoming a popular option.

Jablkon said:
It is completely diff. situation in NA. Junior teams need best players possible to be succesfull and then they send them further. Because junior age is the limit of this leagues. So it is basically win win situation for both club and player. These leagues including AHL are just developing leagues. But the czech league is not supposed to be just developing league for NHL. OK, serve for club and than you can go....This is how it should be. What I am missing on these guys is their will to fight for the spot in a team. They just saying I wouldnt have chance,short ice time etc..To be honest in my opinion this is also the reason why these NA developed guys never won something in national team. Reichel, Straka etc. (even Hertl) had this normal attitude - club, national team, maybe NHL. Now it is more likely NHL........the rest......
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I really don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to just play in the NHL if that is their dream? I'm quite sure Hertl always wanted to play in the NHL, he just chose to stay in the Extraliga because he believed it was best for his development. Each player is different and needs to be evaluated differently. For some players, going to NA was a good decision, for others it wasn't. They made what they thought was the best decision at the time and that's their choice.

Like I said before, whether they develop into good hockey players in NA or the Czech Republic shouldn't matter. Excluding players from the team because they decided to go to NA (as they thought it was best for their development) is nonsense.
 
Jablkon said:
All I wanted to say is that it seems to me that a lot of guys now never have a goal to play or to have success in Czech league. You guys say they ruin them with short ice time etc. But that is a new league rule isn't it? They could easily stay in second league and wait for reall opportunity which will probably come if they are good enough (speaking about Zboril).

Would they guarantee him a spot in AHL now? No. And you want him to have a chance in CZ league? Why exactly?Is he good enough for czech league? I suppose no one knows..I remember watching some juniors playing for Trinec last year and they were terrible.....I know that AHL has higher quality than czech league now. But where is written that he would get a chance in any other senior league, especially when he is 17?


In my opinion it really does matter where he developes.... You take care of him, you develope him not only because of him but also because of your club.But he does not have the main goal to play for your team because his main goal is NHL draft. So most of them leave and than when they are not succesfull they comming back to czech. You do not see that paradox?

It is completely diff. situation in NA. Junior teams need best players possible to be succesfull and then they send them further. Because junior age is the limit of this leagues. So it is basically win win situation for both club and player. These leagues including AHL are just developing leagues. But the czech league is not supposed to be just developing league for NHL. OK, serve for club and than you can go....This is how it should be. What I am missing on these guys is their will to fight for the spot in a team. They just saying I wouldnt have chance,short ice time etc..To be honest in my opinion this is also the reason why these NA developed guys never won something in national team. Reichel, Straka etc. (even Hertl) had this normal attitude - club, national team, maybe NHL. Now it is more likely NHL........the rest.

Now there are clubs which gives a chance to youngsters. But where is Slavia or Karlovy Vary? So are these youngsters good enough or they just want something which is above their current level? Not really surprised that some people are pissed....

I don't want to justify czech hockey, just trying to see it from different point of view.....
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That's the thing. Czech clubs SHOULD want to develop players for NHL. Everyone knows this league is above any other, every one wants to play there. If there are many czech players, then they're probably good and then we also have good national team and it goes with everything.
The main goal should be developing players to NHL. What's the point of developing guys but not so good so they woudn't left to NHL (which they would if they're good enough).
If the clubs care enough to make good conditions and good preparation for the NHL, then the players will be happy to stay here until the age of 20-22 for example. And then when their NHL career will be over, then again they will be happy to come back as well as the club that developed him. That should be the circle, that's how it should work. That was also the case of Jagr, Reichel, Straka...
I understand what you're trying to say but the basics of all this should be clubs providing good conditions for their young players and actually care about their careers (even though most of that career may not be in their team).
They understood this in Sweden.
 
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hans26 said:
Find the difference:

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no honestly Im sick of all these crap, it happens every year, every nomination...if Karabacek will be cut tomorrow, that will be epic
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I would not be suprised if Prerost will be headcoach for the senior national team soon, and the new coach for the kids will be Hadamzcik.

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Slavomír Lener should coach, both teams.

Btw, why does Hadamzcik always look so epic on pictures??
 
TheFatOne said:
I would not be suprised if Prerost will be headcoach for the senior national team soon, and the new coach for the kids will be Hadamzcik.

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Slavomír Lener should coach, both teams.

Btw, why does Hadamzcik always look so epic on pictures??
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He's an epic person :)
 
Heh, too many posts. Sorry that I can not respond to everything. Just very briefly I completely agree with the general circle 18-22 CZ - 22-34 NHL/SEl etc...and than back in CZ.

My post was maybe more afected by Zboril case about which I tried more info. However I found just this one: http://brnensky.denik.cz/hokej_region/vincour-rychle-mizi-prijal-nabidku-colorada-20140829.html

I admit that his cut could be the message in the way "you **** with us, we **** with you" which is definetely not a fair and equitable treatment :)

On the other hand Zboril did not mention any other alternative what he would do if he stayed. He just evaluate himself as 9th defensman and left. To be honest that did not really shock me bearing in mind that he is only 17 a Kometa is a medal contender. This could happen in much more cases in the future...

So tell me how can the czech system compete with the NA system which is based on numerous developing leagues limited by ages? Yes, we have to develope players for NHL, but once entire development is centralized in one club you must also have more intentions with the player. You have to think what you offer to fans, what you offer to sponsors, how succesfull your A team should be etc....

This is an interesting topic about what Iam trying to describe:

http://www.zacha-hokej.cz/domu/dusan-salficky-a-soucasne-hokejove-pardubice

Zacha quite highly speaks about Pardubice attitude to younger players. he also evaluates cz league quite higly. But boom, this a quotation from the middle: "V současné době ale musím vyslovit názor, že si nemyslím, že ani podobně vytvořený „projekt Å paček“ v Pardubicích, jakkoliv je třeba mu maximálně fandit, představuje nejkratší cestu talentovaného hráče do NHL. Pokud mám být upřímný, nejkratší cesta je stále jednoznačně přes CHL. Není to návod ani nějaké lanaření, jen prosté konstatování faktu. Není to tam žádná procházka a pro vÅ¡echny české hráče je to nesmírně náročná mise, která na ně klade hraniční nároky v mnoha ohledech."

So what is the f....ing message of this topic, especially to club managers???? Yes, czech league can not be shortest way to NHL even from its basis because czech clubs also need these young players to play for their A team and somehow "balance" their investment to his development. Well can they play immediately, simply not every time.....

Seems to me that he basically say: if your intention is NHL, just do whatever you want to get there. I do not see any level of understanding to interests of other side.....From this perspective, what Zabransky and for example Jandac said about some young players seemed to me quite logical...
 
CSLH just needs to make an agreement with the NHL about getting money for any players that leave for the CHL and end up playing in the NHL. Sweden has one, we don't. That's the only way clubs are realistically going to get something back for investing into a young player.
 
After the three recent cuts, are there any left to make? Curious if Karabacek is definitely going to be on the team or not. I really hope he is because this will be a fun group to watch made more fun for me if there's a Sabres prospect on board.
 
I see the problem also that the clubs, managers and coaches can not communicate well with players. Before the season starts they should make some detailed plan with every young specific player where should be how they planning to use him. If they give a chance in A-team, if so how many minutes will he play (plus minus), what his role gonna be, if he could be sent to second league, where would he play there and how much ice time would he get and so on and so no. And most importantly, hold on to this plan and communicate. The managers and coaches should care about this stuff and I think that's what they did in Pardubice. Spacek also wasn't really sure if he should stay here at first.

And as Swipes has already said, important is also the agreement with NHL/CHL.
 
Rob Paxon said:
After the three recent cuts, are there any left to make? Curious if Karabacek is definitely going to be on the team or not. I really hope he is because this will be a fun group to watch made more fun for me if there's a Sabres prospect on board.
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He probably should, but here's nothing sure.
 
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