WJC: 2015 — Finland Roster Talk
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If he wants to come back, I say give the man the job. He was much better tactically than Jortikka and seems that he was capable of handling the boys better than him.
Periwinkle
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I say lets wait for the final result from the tournament before iniating the firing talk.
What is important is coaches valuing this job and consistency because many of the players will return next year, and Jortikka signed a two-year contract. Kivi bounced (although few can blame him) in the middle of his contract. If the tournaments ends in a bad way on Friday, yeah, the tought should be entertained, especially if its apparent nothing has been done to the special teams, in particular. If Finland has its usual "painful start of the tournament yet proceeds once again to the medal rounds" routine, it's hard to justify a canning no matter what.
(I did support getting Kivi back next year earlier, but I didn't realize Jortikka had a two-year contract).
What is important is coaches valuing this job and consistency because many of the players will return next year, and Jortikka signed a two-year contract. Kivi bounced (although few can blame him) in the middle of his contract. If the tournaments ends in a bad way on Friday, yeah, the tought should be entertained, especially if its apparent nothing has been done to the special teams, in particular. If Finland has its usual "painful start of the tournament yet proceeds once again to the medal rounds" routine, it's hard to justify a canning no matter what.
(I did support getting Kivi back next year earlier, but I didn't realize Jortikka had a two-year contract).
Of course he's not going to be fired if they make it into the top 4, but right now many players are underperforming, even the ones who have been very good earlier this season for their regular teams. The special teams have been awful and I'm thinking Jortsu's management style is outdated (as well as his strategy). That doesn't mean the players don't like/respect him, but can he connect to them and get them to play to the best of their abilities (or even overperform) the way Kivi did? Well, the QF hasn't been played yet, but right now I'd say it's doubtful.
It's too bad they signed him on for 2 years actually. He might keep his job even if they lose, because Kale may not care that much.
It's too bad they signed him on for 2 years actually. He might keep his job even if they lose, because Kale may not care that much.
If it's gonna be close, he will. The process of looking for a new one may not be deemed worth it if the previous one was fired over such small margins. Also, it's not sending a good message to the successors.
Like I said, it would take a Swedish blowout.
Then there's of course the question of finding a worthy successor. Some might be afraid that they'd be half-arsing the process, but I find that unlikely if it comes to that. It's the home tournament after all, and they've already seen what happens if they get sloppy with the process - and they've also seen what happens if you find the right guy for the job.
It should also be said in the selectors' honor that incidentally, Jortikka too was probably one of the better choices after Kivi's sudden resignation. He may be a bit out of date, but he's still got decent merit and is not a complete washout like, say, Rindell. They have been trying to take this more seriously as of late, but sometimes the pickings are slim as it is.
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MTV probably dumped the U20 hockey because making the broadcast themself that year is expensive? Give it to goverment company who doesn't need to be profitable: Games get high quality airing done by YLE and mtv does't have to do persnetto with it.
Could be or could not be, who knows what making the actual tv production for tournament costs. But u20 is such a small tourney its hardly profitable I bet.
New powerplay units per Iltasanomat:
Mustonen(middle)-Rantanen(net front)-Lehkonen(right wall)
Kapanen(left point)-Honka(blueline)
Puljujärvi(middle)-Vähätalo(net front)-Hintz(right wall)
Ikonen(left point)-Lyytinen(blueline)
Getting Puljujärvi closer to the net might help..
Mustonen(middle)-Rantanen(net front)-Lehkonen(right wall)
Kapanen(left point)-Honka(blueline)
Puljujärvi(middle)-Vähätalo(net front)-Hintz(right wall)
Ikonen(left point)-Lyytinen(blueline)
Getting Puljujärvi closer to the net might help..
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Loffer
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0 goals in 16 tries, ain't that something! C'mon now, it cannot be that hard. Some Denmark score on the PP in loads. Friggin Denmark! But Finland no! Cannot do. Unbearable-.
this Powerplay gives me migraines
I'd go with Husso. Both goalies are good, but to me Husso has improved more than Saros during the last year.
Agreed. I personally don't understand the Jortikka hate. I'm not any Turku guy but I think Jortikka is a good coach and there weren't many better alternatives available. If we look at his CV it's pretty impressive.
He can be partially blamed for the poor PP I guess, but it's mostly on the players. Also I think under Jortikka's leadership we haven't got many of those horrible periods where the team sleeps during the beginnings of the periods.
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behemolari
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Another thing that popped to mind that may have Jortsu and the boys (sounds like the name of a humppa band, btw) a bit stumped is the small ice surface. Even the TSN announcers have noted how Finland tries to use the narrow lanes as if they were wider. Perhaps next year, when we're back to international-sized box, we'll see a far more effective Finland even if Jortikka remains as our coach.
Of course, if we had a chance to have Kivi back or any other coach bit fresher merit, I'd be happy to have him, but there are regardless certain variables in play next year that may or may not have a beneficial effect on the level of play.
Well, Lyytinen is a d-man and one of the few we can use so I don't see what fishy there is in using him... Ikonen, no comment. Haven't seen enough of him in the role to give a statement. Which, of course, could make it fishy in itself.
It should be noted however that while our PP has been horrendous and many would have hoped they simplify things a bit by e.g. placing two d-men on the blueline, there have not been any disastrous defensive turnovers, which is usually the main source of those concerns. The biggest issue has been that there's no one going to the net, and these setups certainly try to amend that.
I don't know. Both have played similar role in SM-Liiga on the powerplay. Ikonen is a better playmaker than Puljujärvi so that could actually work.
No hätä, we will win this one. Toss your powerplay schematics and Kale schemes out of the window its still 1 game and 60 minutes. If these guys have enough character we will win sweden even withouth powerplay. Now the expectations and pressure has been zeroed with 3 losses nobody expects anything anymore. It was all cute and stuff for a while but Jortikka yelling at Kalapudas and Puljujärvi 2nd period vs Germany signalled now we mean business. Sweden are floating but they havent been tested yet and they cant handle pace of finlands game. Victory is ours.
Loffer
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Erikfromfin never fails! The one known of unbiased and objective judgements on this board. It is like ketchup, you shake and shake, and then it all comes at once. To bad for us that will happen against sweden.
This was also one of Jortikka's complaints. The game against Germany ended at roughly midnight, they got to the hotel to sleep for just a couple of (as in, two) hours, needed to wake up really early for a flight to Toronto (without information on whether or not they would even get some time for practicing on ice there). Also taking into account the fact that Sweden has cozily been in Toronto this entire time, all odds are in favor of them. Ridiculously so. It's as if these timetables ALWAYS end up screwing over Finland (both in adult and junior competition). But hey, no-one told anyone that it's a good idea to end up being fourth in the bracket.
Since essentially all this trouble with timetables is due to this, for once the complaints are pointless. It's a consequence of ones own poor performance, nothing more.
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In defense of Denmark, they do have Ehlers and Bjorkstrand on their team. No player on Finland to this point has shown that type of ability.
Second only to Lollipop.
As we all know this is a 1-game-eliminiation so everything can happen. However, Sweden is clearly the better team and should be favorites. I'm hoping for a great game though!
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