I don't blame St.Louis for being mad and requesting a trade, but this will obviously smooth over in time, especially with a lot of winning which the Bolts should do a lot of over the next few years. Yzerman has no need to trade him.
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I don't blame St.Louis for being mad and requesting a trade, but this will obviously smooth over in time, especially with a lot of winning which the Bolts should do a lot of over the next few years. Yzerman has no need to trade him.
Yeah, let's acquire a guy who has 7 years left on his deal so we can have him fill in for the next two weeks.
That said, Ehrhoff would be a great add with a great contract. Though I can't imagine we'd be the highest bidders.
Portzline is useless when it comes to trade rumors. I wouldn't put an ounce of stock into this nonsense.
Imagine a #1 power play with Ehrhoff and Wisniewski bombing shots from the point. I'm not sure that we'd be willing to give up what it would likely take to get Ehrhoff. I would imagine it would take our first, one of our top prospects (Rychel or Wennberg) plus another piece. As stated, this is just speculation on Porty's part.
Who was the guy that called the gaborik trade last year? I remember someone speculating it here and then 2 days later it happened. Whoever it was I want your nostradamus like insight again this deadline....
Imagine a team where 4/6 of our defense counts for more than $4 million against the cap each.
In a league where the cap is going to continue to rise, I don't think that would be a huge issue if the owners are willing to spend. Again, I don't think there's anything to this, but why would this be a hang up?
So, since the cap is going to rise and money is no longer an issue, why have a cap? How much is the cap going to be?
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Looking on Capgeek, they show that next year's cap is going to by 71.1M. They have us with 22M in projected cap space going into next season. But as far as caps go, they are only as constraining as ownership makes it. If our ownership has made the decision to spend what it takes (have spent more in the past two years than in years past), the cap won't be as big an issue as it's been in the past.
Captain Obvious point is when it comes to the cap, the ceiling is what keeps markets like Toronto, New York, Philadelphia, Chicago, Boston, etc. from spending 120-140 million a year to create All-Star teams. I like the league under the current cap conditions, but with the financial growth of the league, you're going to see the cap to continue to rise. I would imagine it will be close to 80M within a couple of years.
I guess I just don't think it is smart to spend over $18 million of the $71.1 million cap on 4 defensemen. I think the money and cap space can be used more wisely. Then, I don't spend money just because I have it. Just because we can doesn't mean we should. In 2015-2016, those 4 defensemen will still count the same. Between now and then, Dubinsky, Foligno, Letestu, Atkinson, Calvert, Johansen, MacKenzie, Nikitin, and Bobrosky will all have to get new deals or be replaced. A couple of those guys could be replaced with younger, cheaper players, but most will cost more to keep or replace.
I still wouldn't do it, but it would be different if we didn't have a guy like Umberger signed for the next 3 years after this year.
I still wouldn't do it, but it would be different if we didn't have a guy like Umberger signed for the next 3 years after this year.
I agree, I'm not advocating spending to the cap. It's all about priorities. I think you could look at a team like Philadelphia, who has 7 defenseman on their roster all making more than 3.5M, as an example of how not to proceed.
The only way that I would consider carrying that kind of money on four defensemen is if they are highly productive players. If Wiz and Ehrhoff both produced more than 40 points and JJ and Tyuts continue to be an effective shut down pairing, and we make a run in the playoffs, would you think differently?
Maybe, but it would all depend on how we are able to manage the rest of the roster. Just too many unknowns in the next few years (Bobrosky, Johansen, Foligno, Dubinksy, and even Murray) for me to take the chance.
It will be very interesting. It all depends on they perform. Sure Bob has been great for us and RyJo has made major strides, etc. but if we don't make the playoffs, it will be held against them. You're right that the cap demands that front offices make tough business decisions. In five years, will those guys still be here?
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In all fairness, you are counting Chris Pronger on that list who is done and not coming back from LTIR.
If you look at their current lineup now. 2 of those contracts expire this Summer and those 6 average $4.475 million. On the flip side, The Blackhawks top 6 is averaging approximately $3.852 million and they won the cup last year.
The CBJ are currently averaging under $3.1 million for their top 6. If you were to include Erhoff and removed the lowest paid in Savard as a sample, the top 6 D spending for the CBJ becomes $3.625 million average. Not extreme by any means but on par with teams who win divisions and go deep in the playoffs.
My contention with Erhoff is the length of contract. He is signed until he is just south of 40. Combine that with Wisniewski for 3 more season, Johnson and Tyutin for 4 more seasons and Ryan Murray probably getting a pretty hefty increase 1 year before Wisniewski's contract expires, the blue line is really hamstrung for the next 4 years. Jack Johnson is the only one who could easily be moved because he has no NTC in his contract while Tyutin, Wisniewski, and Erhoff do.
I don't have an issue with the money being spent on D, its the contract length for everyone involved right now.
RDriesen I'd like to see you fully sketch out what our possible cap problem would be in a few years. I have a hard time figuring out what the problem would be.
That is the key though. If he was only signed for a year or two, fine, althought I don't think he is the type of defenseman we should be looking for. Eventually we will have to pay Murray too. I understand why some would be okay with it, but it just doesn't make sense to me.
I will try this one more time, since you haven't understood me yet. It isn't about not having the money/cap room. It is about spending money wisely and managing your roster properly. It doesn't make sense to tie money up in something the team doesn't need. Maintain flexibility, so when that one player we really need becomes avaialble, we can get him.
Look at some of the teams that have overspent on multiple players. They have ended up having to trade good, young players, when they were due raises. They have had other players looking to get paid, because they have seen their team overpay other players. It just isn't a smart way to run a team if you ask me.
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I guess I'm just not all that convinced that the Jackets need to make a big move. If Tyutin is only out, for say 5-6 games, I think that our depth would be fine. I think we keep Gaborik, having him healthy with Horton in the lineup, is like making a trade.
If GMJK decides he needs a defensive defenseman, who is the favored player around here? If the FO has said no rentals, then who's a defensive d-man on a long term contract that would be available?
If GMJK decides he needs a defensive defenseman, who is the favored player around here? If the FO has said no rentals, then who's a defensive d-man on a long term contract that would be available?
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I'd rather earmark Ehrhoff's cap hit for a free agent. Granted, it's not easy to sign guys in a competitive market, but I'd sooner take my chances than send a valuable asset or 2 to Buffalo.
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You could easily move one in the off season and still have room for the younger guys to push in. Personally I think Erhoff would become our #1 guy. Just my opinion though.
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