2014 Trade Deadline Thread II (All General Trade Talk/Proposals/Blog Rumors in here)
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I get not wanting to give up the farm for Kesler, but ... Those of you blasting MacKenzie for his credibility should re-read the sentence:
Sounds more like devil's advocate than any sort of false rumor, to me. I think he's just weighing what the asking price may be for Kesler ... I don't take that as him reading the Jackets wanting to give up Johansen, just asking aloud if they would. It's his job to stir the pot, so to speak, and in this case he's looking at a team (Vancouver) that is in tear down mode, and another team (Columbus) who may be in the buyer's market.
Don't read more into it than it actually is ... speculation.
Sounds more like devil's advocate than any sort of false rumor, to me. I think he's just weighing what the asking price may be for Kesler ... I don't take that as him reading the Jackets wanting to give up Johansen, just asking aloud if they would. It's his job to stir the pot, so to speak, and in this case he's looking at a team (Vancouver) that is in tear down mode, and another team (Columbus) who may be in the buyer's market.
Don't read more into it than it actually is ... speculation.
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Johansen's name shouldn't even be brought up though. There are plenty of names he could have used from Columbus. There is only one he shouldn't have used. I am sorry, but it is just stupid to even think it. No matter what his point was.
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I was just thinking the same thing.
To me, he's another one of these 20-25 goal and 50-55 point type of guys, with the real difference being that he's had his numbers inflated during his prime due to linemates. In 2008-09, his most even strength time was with Sundin and Demitra, with PP time featuring those two plus Kyle Wellwood. Then it was Raymond and Samuelsson during their good years, plus Sedin/Sedin on the power play. Since then the offense has dried up, despite still spending a decent amount of time out there with the Sedins. Out of 114 goals scored in those four seasons, 62 were at even strength.
Then add in his recent injury history...
Ryan Kesler for Ryan Callahan? Makes sense to me.
Exactly. The Jackets are fighting for the playoffs spot and he mentions the team's MVP as a possible trade bate. Teams don't trade their MVP at the trade dead line. Teams just don't trade their MVPs. Period.
The point is from a Vancouver perspective the other names aren't going to get the job done. While I agree this is an exercise in futility, McKenzie is speculating what it would take to acquire Kesler. I agree, if Johansen is what it would take, Jarmo hangs up laughing. To discredit McKenzie for this is even more laughable and comparing him to Eklund is astronomically laughable. He has his finger on the pulse of the league and is the best in the biz IMO.
From Spector Hockey Blog:
After noting McKenzie's speculation:
"SPECTOR’S NOTE: If the Canucks were to move Kesler at the trade deadline his current hand injury could affect that effort, as well as the potential return. If Kesler wants out it probably won’t happen until the off-season, when players of his caliber and salary are easier to move. The Blue Jackets won’t part with Johansen, who’s blossoming into a star. Not sure if Kesler would accept being reunited with Alain Vigneault in New York. For now, we have to take Gillis and Overhardt at their word that Kesler didn’t request a trade."
Joey's rep around the league is continuing to grow.
After noting McKenzie's speculation:
"SPECTOR’S NOTE: If the Canucks were to move Kesler at the trade deadline his current hand injury could affect that effort, as well as the potential return. If Kesler wants out it probably won’t happen until the off-season, when players of his caliber and salary are easier to move. The Blue Jackets won’t part with Johansen, who’s blossoming into a star. Not sure if Kesler would accept being reunited with Alain Vigneault in New York. For now, we have to take Gillis and Overhardt at their word that Kesler didn’t request a trade."
Joey's rep around the league is continuing to grow.
Reputations are born when you've been as noticeable as Joey has this season. I hope this is the Joey we see for the rest of his career.
I am not discrediting him. I am saying he say something COMPLETELY STUPID and that he should think before he types. I don't care whose point of view he was coming from. You don't bring up a teams MVP who is 21 years old. What you are saying has to make sense. No team is trading their first line center when they are trying to make the playoffs. No team is trading their team MVP when they are trying to make the playoffs. Finally, no team is trading their first line center, who is their team MVP, and who is only 21 years old.
Actually I don't think it's completely stupid. Kesler is thought of very highly (other have a different opinion, I get that) and rightly, "insiders" are trying to give insight into what the return would need to be to acquire him. That is their job. Speculation is what moves the meter. It only makes sense that Johansen's name gets mentioned when talking about Columbus.
As you said, he's our MVP. Kesler is still in his 20's and still has 2 years left on his contract at a good number. To me, McKenzie would look stupid if he speculated and said that Columbus could get Kesler for Nikitin, MacKenzie and a 4th round pick. His audience does matter, your talking about a Canadian journalist, on a Canadian website that caters to fans of Canadian teams. So what he's suggesting does make sense when considering the audience.
Look, I'm agreeing with you that Ryan Johansen is not going anywhere for a long time. He will be a Blue Jacket for the foreseeable future. I just don't agree that McKenzie looks stupid for suggesting that Joey would be the player Vancouver would want if we had interest in acquiring Kesler.
No offense, but Nikitin is completely different than Johansen. There are A LOT of players between the two that could be mentioned. I ask you 1 more question. Name me 1 team who would trade their MVP and 1st line center, for any player who is not a TOP PLAYER in the NHL? Even then they probably wouldn't. Teams are looking to improve their team NOW when trying to make the playoffs. You don't do that by trading the best player off your team. Again, it isn't that he mentioned a good player. It is that he mentioned our BEST player. No team would do than. NOT ONE.
To answer your question, NO. I conceded that in my last post. That doesn't mean that the Canucks won't ask for that kind of return. Kesler is valuable to them, much like Johansen is here.
How about we leave this as we both know that this "idea" of McKenzie's is not going to happen? Sound good?
How about we leave this as we both know that this "idea" of McKenzie's is not going to happen? Sound good?
CentreKeeper12
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All McKenzie was doing was asking the question would Columbus be willing to give up Johansen for Kesler, not that they need to give up Johansen. He was being an analyst, just looking at a situation from an outside perspective, for all we know the GMs could be discussing a deal around a player and a pick. Just let the man do his job
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How McKenzie describes Johansen.
He missed a few words: "would the Blue Jackets give up their best player, a big first line 21 years young center like Ryan Johansen?" For me that sounds just plain stupid. The only possible answer is:
He would have became a laughing stock for Canadian fans if he mentioned Galchenyuk or RNH in such sentence. And I won't trade Joey for any of them.
This is not 2012 any more. Michael Chaput is a young centre. Wennberg and Jenner are young centres.
He missed a few words: "would the Blue Jackets give up their best player, a big first line 21 years young center like Ryan Johansen?" For me that sounds just plain stupid. The only possible answer is:
He would have became a laughing stock for Canadian fans if he mentioned Galchenyuk or RNH in such sentence. And I won't trade Joey for any of them.
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I was being over-dramatic in an attempt to make light of it. Part of the joke I was trying to make was because I had been in a thread on the mains the other day where Viqsi was adamant that she would never trade Joey for Ovechkin. Thus, I figured her reaction to a Joey-Kesler deal would be off the charts.
And I realize Bob was just mentioning Joey as who Vancouver would want the most. I just hope if Gillis ever asks Jarmo about his thoughts on Joey for Kesler, Jarmo quickly hangs up the phone.
To me, if that was his point, he should have said Vancouver would want a player like Johansen from Columbus. I know that seems like a small thing, but it changes things a lot, if you ask me.
In my head I'm golf clapping this post.
Don't want the mall walkers to think I'm crazier than they already do.
Viqsi
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Good ****ing G-d. I knew it was a hard sell ("position need" and scarcity of player types tends to get blithely ignored anytime someone sees OMG SHINY SUPERSTAR), but apparently even other Jackets fans somehow failed to get the point of that one.
"Look, Viqsi's talking about how building a team around a star winger has been tried here before and failed miserably and so doesn't want to trade a likely up-and-coming #1C for another superstar winger. How silly! Oh, hey, look, there's this idea concerning a trade of that same #1C for someone who's similar in skillset but not in upside and also plays C. Clearly these are closely related, ha ha!"
EDIT: On the actual move possibility itself... I'd like to believe that maybe, just maybe, Umby and Kesler can learn to get along if they're on the same team, and I'd like what Kesler would do for our C depth. But yeah, no Joey. Let's not be absurd.
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CentreKeeper12
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How about we trade Dubinsky for a young LW, Gabriel Landeskog.
Lol. I think we could a 1st as well.
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