2014 Trade Deadline Thread II (All General Trade Talk/Proposals/Blog Rumors in here)

[Kev22]

What about Atkinson and our first as a basis for a deal for Kesler? Just spitballin'.

Here would be my lines after this deal.

Jenner-Johansen-Horton
Umberger-Anisimov-Gaborik
Dubinsky-Kesler-Foligno
Calvert-MacKenzie-Letestu
Tropp/Skille/Boll

 

[EspenK]

Making multi-colored t-shirts is a dyeing art.

I don't get it.

Waiting for someone to explain it to me. Maybe Pete or Robert or one of them other aging hippies.

 

[BluejacketNut]

What about Atkinson and our first as a basis for a deal for Kesler? Just spitballin'.

Here would be my lines after this deal.

Jenner-Johansen-Horton
Umberger-Anisimov-Gaborik
Dubinsky-Kesler-Foligno
Calvert-MacKenzie-Letestu
Tropp/Skille/Boll

I would certainly kick the tires on that deal. That's a Stanley Cup level 3rd line!

 

[pete goegan]

I don't get it.

Waiting for someone to explain it to me. Maybe Pete or Robert or one of them other aging hippies.

Hippies were for Love, Peace, and Flowers.

We were into Drugs, Sex, and Rock & Roll...

And high explosives (see Tales of Uncle Mike from the early Lampoon days).

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

I don't get it.

Waiting for someone to explain it to me. Maybe Pete or Robert or one of them other aging hippies.

Winning at Dungeons & Dragons is a dieing art.

 

[Jackets16]

What about Atkinson and our first as a basis for a deal for Kesler? Just spitballin'.

Here would be my lines after this deal.

Jenner-Johansen-Horton
Umberger-Anisimov-Gaborik
Dubinsky-Kesler-Foligno
Calvert-MacKenzie-Letestu
Tropp/Skille/Boll

So, we traded a 3rd line RW and a 1st for a 3rd line C, when we have no need for another Center? I am not saying the value isn't right. I just don't see the need to trade for Kesler. How much are we really improving? IMO, not enough.

 

[Kev22]

So, we traded a 3rd line RW and a 1st for a 3rd line C, when we have no need for another Center? I am not saying the value isn't right. I just don't see the need to trade for Kesler. How much are we really improving? IMO, not enough.

IMO, Kesler's style of play is perfect for the Jackets. He's fast, forechecks, hits and most importantly he's bigger than Atkinson. His defensive play is elite and frankly the line I put him on, instantly become your shut down line, but they will score goals. I don't see any real drawbacks to trading for Kesler IF THE PRICE IS RIGHT. Sorry, for the caps, but just wanted to make that point clear.

If you trade a guy like Atkinson (I like him), it's not exactly the move that will come back to bite you. He's talented, has lots of skill, but I'm not sure that he would be a playoff warrior.

BTW, for all you Porty fans, he was just on with Bishop and Rothman and predicted the Jackets to not only get into the playoffs, but to win a series.

 

[EspenK]

Winning at Dungeons & Dragons is a dieing art.

I'll fight to my a)dieing b) dying c) dyeing day or the much easier d)death

For those who care http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/38524/dieing-vs-dying

 

[Kev22]

I'll fight to my a)dieing b) dying c) dyeing day or the much easier d)death

For those who care http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/38524/dieing-vs-dying

...and I thought RDriesen and I got off the rails.

 

[Jackets16]

IMO, Kesler's style of play is perfect for the Jackets. He's fast, forechecks, hits and most importantly he's bigger than Atkinson. His defensive play is elite and frankly the line I put him on, instantly become your shut down line, but they will score goals. I don't see any real drawbacks to trading for Kesler IF THE PRICE IS RIGHT. Sorry, for the caps, but just wanted to make that point clear.

If you trade a guy like Atkinson (I like him), it's not exactly the move that will come back to bite you. He's talented, has lots of skill, but I'm not sure that he would be a playoff warrior.

BTW, for all you Porty fans, he was just on with Bishop and Rothman and predicted the Jackets to not only get into the playoffs, but to win a series.

I agree with what you are saying. I just don't think it makes us that much better. I'd rather just stick with where we are. The only trade I am interested in is one that makes us better for a long time (I.E. someone who is younger than Kesler). If you would have said Rychel, 1st, etc.... That makes us enough better this year to be worth it. Then, you can have Atkinson in Umberger's place and put Umberger on the 4th line.

 

[Crede777]

"RJ, Jarmo wants to see you."

*A few minutes later, in a darkened office. A man is sitting in a chair, the back facing the door so you cannot see his face. A fat, white cat is in his lap and he's stroking it slowly.*

*He speaks with a cold, methodical Eastern European accent.*

"Mr. Umberger, we feel you should know. We plan on acquiring Ryan Kesler from the Canucks."

*Umberger grimaces*

"You know, Jarmo, I cannot support such a trade."

*The man replies.*

"We do not expect you to support the trade, RJ. We expect you to die!"

*RJ screams and then wakes up suddenly in his bed.*

 

[Kev22]

"RJ, Jarmo wants to see you."

*A few minutes later, in a darkened office. A man is sitting in a chair, the back facing the door so you cannot see his face. A fat, white cat is in his lap and he's stroking it slowly.*

*He speaks with a cold, methodical Eastern European accent.*

"Mr. Umberger, we feel you should know. We plan on acquiring Ryan Kesler from the Canucks."

*Umberger grimaces*

"You know, Jarmo, I cannot support such a trade."

*The man replies.*

"We do not expect you to support the trade, RJ. We expect you to die!"

*RJ screams and then wakes up suddenly in his bed.*

What's the back story with those two? I don't know if I have ever heard what the deal was with them. I know if dates back to OSU, but if we were to acquire Kesler, I would pull them both aside and tell them whatever the beef is between you two, you better grill it up and eat it.

 

[blahblah]

So, we traded a 3rd line RW and a 1st for a 3rd line C, when we have no need for another Center? I am not saying the value isn't right. I just don't see the need to trade for Kesler. How much are we really improving? IMO, not enough.

Can't really take this too seriously when you've marked two players that are top six as bottom six. They are two totally different players that bring totally different things. The improvement could be far more dramatic than what you would think just looking at the stat sheet.

I've went over our center situation a few times. Dubinsky is easily movable to wing and can play as your depth center because of injury. I'd rather get Stastny, but we continue to get obsessed over our centers. Frankly I think we could use another top six center. I don't trust our center situation, with Dubinsky and AA, if Johansen goes down.

 

[Kev22]

I agree with what you are saying. I just don't think it makes us that much better. I'd rather just stick with where we are. The only trade I am interested in is one that makes us better for a long time (I.E. someone who is younger than Kesler). If you would have said Rychel, 1st, etc.... That makes us enough better this year to be worth it. Then, you can have Atkinson in Umberger's place and put Umberger on the 4th line.

With Kesler 29, I'm not worried about him not being able to produce for at least the next four to six years. Rychel and 1st are probably just two components of what the Canucks might want. I like Cam, but if not Cam, who do you include that might get the deal done? I really think that with Kesler, we are a much better team that would be in a good position to make a run...this year.

 

[Jackets16]

With Kesler 29, I'm not worried about him not being able to produce for at least the next four to six years. Rychel and 1st are probably just two components of what the Canucks might want. I like Cam, but if not Cam, who do you include that might get the deal done? I really think that with Kesler, we are a much better team that would be in a good position to make a run...this year.

No forward from our top 9 other than Gaborik. I just worry about Kesler. He doesn't seem to be going in the right direction and he isn't even 30 yet. With the way he plays, that is a big concern for me.

 

[Peter Griffin]

What's the back story with those two? I don't know if I have ever heard what the deal was with them. I know if dates back to OSU, but if we were to acquire Kesler, I would pull them both aside and tell them whatever the beef is between you two, you better grill it up and eat it.

Both were drafted by the Canucks, Umberger a year before Kesler. Umberger was having a contract dispute with Burke and Kesler made some remarks to the media that he should just give in and sign. Umberger didn't appreciate that and the rest is history. There may be some tension from their days at OSU as well.

As for Kesler to Columbus, no chance a deal based around Atkinson or Dubinsky gets it done. Makes zero sense from the Canucks' POV.

 

[Socks]

Winning at Dungeons & Dragons is a dieing art.

*rolls 2d4* I give this comment 5 laughs.

 

[IHeartZherdev*]

No forward from our top 9 other than Gaborik. I just worry about Kesler. He doesn't seem to be going in the right direction and he isn't even 30 yet. With the way he plays, that is a big concern for me.

Making a deal for a quality player without giving up someone in the top 9 ... sounds realistic. What GM could resist Tropp/Boll/Bass for Kesler or Moulson?

 

[Kev22]

Both were drafted by the Canucks, Umberger a year before Kesler. Umberger was having a contract dispute with Burke and Kesler made some remarks to the media that he should just give in and sign. Umberger didn't appreciate that and the rest is history. There may be some tension from their days at OSU as well.

As for Kesler to Columbus, no chance a deal based around Atkinson or Dubinsky gets it done. Makes zero sense from the Canucks' POV.

Atkinson, Kerby Rychel and our 1st?

 

[Kev22]

No forward from our top 9 other than Gaborik. I just worry about Kesler. He doesn't seem to be going in the right direction and he isn't even 30 yet. With the way he plays, that is a big concern for me.

On the trade board, there's a couple of Canuck fans that would love to get their hands on Wennberg. In fact one said Wennberg and a 1st would get the job done. I'm with you, I wouldn't go for that. Wennberg has #1 center potential and he and Joey down the middle for a decade is worth more than 5 years of Kesler.

 

[Peter Griffin]

Atkinson, Kerby Rychel and our 1st?

Not bad, but if Columbus is getting Kesler my guess is Gillis will want Wennberg.

 

[IHeartZherdev*]

Not bad, but if Columbus is getting Kesler my guess is Gillis will want Wennberg.

Van isn't looking for a complete rebuild, they are pretty much committed to the Sedins and Lou so while I'm sure they'd want a pick/prospect in the deal, I think the NHL player would be more the priority. Dubinsky and Kesler have similar cap hits and there is the Torts connection...

 

[Peter Griffin]

Van isn't looking for a complete rebuild, they are pretty much committed to the Sedins and Lou so while I'm sure they'd want a pick/prospect in the deal, I think the NHL player would be more the priority. Dubinsky and Kesler have similar cap hits and there is the Torts connection...

They're not going to trade Kesler for a downgrade in Dubinsky who makes similar salary, signed for one year less, and is only 2 years younger. As I said earlier, makes ZERO sense.

If the Canucks are moving Kesler they are essentially admitting they aren't good enough to compete over the next few seasons. Swapping Kesler for Dubinsky only makes them worse with zero long term benefits.

 

[Xoggz22]

I can't believe this Kesler thing has taken on such life in this thread. Since it has, if there were any interest on the CBJ's part to acquire Kesler I would think he would be the 2nd line Center behind Johansen. If that's the case CBJ likely moves one of Dubinsky or Anisimov. I like both but if I put the pieces together that we believe would happen for the CBJ to make a move it is something like the following:

1) move more than one roster player to free up space (3 for one type deal makes sense to most of us I think - Porty suggestion or not)
2) Upgrade with someone having term length left on contract
3) No rentals
4) Similar style of play to CBJ identity

Kesler does fit the non-rental/with term scenario and would be a solid addition for his skill set, drive and leadership (from what I read). I think any move with him would be off season, not at the deadline. As a #2C he would upgrade our center position and I think move Dubi down to #3C. Means Arty would likely be the odd man out. I would think the Canucks would want something like Arty, Atkinson and a prospect (Goloubef?). May be too rich for my liking but he won't come cheap.

 

[MoeBartoli]

Making multi-colored t-shirts is a dyeing art.

Hippies were for Love, Peace, and Flowers.

We were into Drugs, Sex, and Rock & Roll...

And high explosives (see Tales of Uncle Mike from the early Lampoon days).

Ha! I made the shirts for our intramural softball squad using that dyeing art form back in the college days....stenciled in the team name on the everyone backs...Acapulco Golds.