Great to have depth. Eh? Umberger and Foligno have been pretty good together this year. If you keep Jenner with Joey and Horty, then Umberger would have to go to the fourth line with D-Mac and Letestu. It's great to have choices. Maybe pairing Arty with Gaborik would get him going. Pairing those two with Foligno would ooze skill. I could go with that.
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Great to have depth. Eh? Umberger and Foligno have been pretty good together this year. If you keep Jenner with Joey and Horty, then Umberger would have to go to the fourth line with D-Mac and Letestu. It's great to have choices. Maybe pairing Arty with Gaborik would get him going. Pairing those two with Foligno would ooze skill. I could go with that.
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Not a fan of that threesome, either. I realize wing-ed-ness is an issue with the forwards, but I'd like to see Gaborik with Anisimov and Foligno.
As long it is used properly
. I just think it is more important to try to get Gaborik and Anisimov going than to keep Foligno and Umberger together. Unfortunately, for Umberger, that means he would have to move down to the 3rd or 4th line.
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All four lines can put the puck in the net and can be very dangerous. The only moves I would like to see is to bolster the blue line (a stay at home guy) or get another back up goalie. I'm really not comfortable relying on McBackup again if something happened to Bob in this stretch run. Maybe make a run for one of the Canes' trio of goalies?
edit- but for as long as RJ Umberger is on this squad, he will never see 4th line ice time
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All four lines can put the puck in the net and can be very dangerous. The only moves I would like to see is to bolster the blue line (a stay at home guy) or get another back up goalie. I'm really not comfortable relying on McBackup again if something happened to Bob in this stretch run. Maybe make a run for one of the Canes' trio of goalies?
edit- but for as long as RJ Umberger is on this squad, he will never see 4th line ice time
Call me crazy but none of you guys have any interest in MSL?? I know his age will be an issue with some of you and others don't think we're "contending" yet, but watching him play, you can see he still has a handful of years left at a pretty high level. It would be another opportunity to pick up an elite offensive guy at the lowest cost it'll ever be. Sure we would still have to give up something nice but really, MSL would be PERFECT right now. In a perfect world we could have them take back RJ to even out salary. I would hope they'd like a deal centered around 1 of our younger d-men but I'm sure they'd want some scoring back for the rest of the year.
Umberger+Calvert+Savard
Erixon/Savard+Rychel+Umberger
No??
Umberger+Calvert+Savard
Erixon/Savard+Rychel+Umberger
No??
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Which should be the goal of any team making the playoffs in my opinion. Just being OK with just geting there is NOT ok in my opinion.
That being said, I think he's not a good fit for other reasons. I think he is a 15 year older version of Cam Atkinson. I don't know that we need 2 players of their size on the team. I'd almost guarantee that Cam would be requested in return. I'd rather have Cam be the 2nd coming of MSL for the next 10 years than getting MSL right now.
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I think that cam is being severely overrated. Cam isn't even in the same part of the atmosphere as MSL. Msl has 6x all star appearances, 2x Art Ross trophies, a Pearson, and a a cup. If Atkinson manages any one of those I will be floored.
I understand that MSL is at the very end of his career, and that as a ufa who may not resign MSL may not be the best target, but calling Atkinson the second coming of MSL is just disingenuous.
On the actual subject of the trade I do wonder if a Gaborik+Prout swap could work. I think that MSL would be a fantastic addition in terms of play, skill, and leadership I would pay quite a bit more if we could guarantee him sticking around for a few years.
I understand that MSL is at the very end of his career, and that as a ufa who may not resign MSL may not be the best target, but calling Atkinson the second coming of MSL is just disingenuous.
On the actual subject of the trade I do wonder if a Gaborik+Prout swap could work. I think that MSL would be a fantastic addition in terms of play, skill, and leadership I would pay quite a bit more if we could guarantee him sticking around for a few years.
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Of course that's every team's goal. Edmonton had dreams of winning the cup at the start of the year too. I just don't think you spend assets unless on a 39 year old unless you are truly convinced he's the last piece of the puzzle to the cup. As much as I love this team, I don't see them needing one piece to put them over the edge so I can't be an advocate for bringing in a piece like MSL for this year. I think the CBJ should continue to build the asset base as they move forward.
Move pieces for better pieces but the move described above is an "all in" move which I don't see as reasonable for this year's CBJ
Of course we would like all of our young guys to max out on their potential, but that's not going to happen. And the point I'm trying to make is that MSL is a VERY good player even at his age. He'd be our best player. Probably next year also, AT LEAST. His size, style of play and just how smart he is on the ice will help him last a bit longer in the league also. If anything he would be a great person to have on the team WITH Atkinson.
And I knew the other issue would pop up. Really though, how much better do you want/need our team to be before you consider them a "legit" team?!? Look at the players we have, the depth. **** picture it with MSL there for the next few years with just a few subtractions, with 1 of those maybe being Umberger. Sure there's a handful of teams that are better than us. They're also better than everybody else. But they ARE beatable. Definitely, if we could add another guy on the same level as MSL. If you don't think this team, this year or next, could go deep in the playoffs maybe you should find a new team to root for.
The St Louis situation is unique as he's clearly still a high level player, but also just as clearly out of his "prime" and only 2 years left on his contract. I'm very interested to see what he goes for when/if? a trade is made. I'd give up quite a bit to get him.
And I knew the other issue would pop up. Really though, how much better do you want/need our team to be before you consider them a "legit" team?!? Look at the players we have, the depth. **** picture it with MSL there for the next few years with just a few subtractions, with 1 of those maybe being Umberger. Sure there's a handful of teams that are better than us. They're also better than everybody else. But they ARE beatable. Definitely, if we could add another guy on the same level as MSL. If you don't think this team, this year or next, could go deep in the playoffs maybe you should find a new team to root for.
The St Louis situation is unique as he's clearly still a high level player, but also just as clearly out of his "prime" and only 2 years left on his contract. I'm very interested to see what he goes for when/if? a trade is made. I'd give up quite a bit to get him.
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No because 2 reasons.
1. Too old. Keep building with our young core and grow together.
2. He wouldn't waive to go here, he only wants to go to NEw York,
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Umberger+Savard+Calvert=No Brainer. Of course we should do that deal. Of course most guys here wouldn't trade that package for Ovechkin (Russian factor), Crosby (dives too much).
The other package makes me think a bit but I think I still would do it.
I mean think about the right side. Gabby, MSL & Horton,Cam. Holy crap talk about fire power.
The other package makes me think a bit but I think I still would do it.
I mean think about the right side. Gabby, MSL & Horton,Cam. Holy crap talk about fire power.
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Kesler supposedly wants out of Vancouver.
Then, I saw this comment from Bob McKenzie:
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=444757
If we traded Joey for Kesler, I will join Viqsi in lighting people on fire.
Then, I saw this comment from Bob McKenzie:
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=444757
If we traded Joey for Kesler, I will join Viqsi in lighting people on fire.
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Kesler supposedly wants out of Vancouver.
Then, I saw this comment from Bob McKenzie:
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=444757
If we traded Joey for Kesler, I will join Viqsi in lighting people on fire.
I would cry if we got Kesler(I'm pretty vocal on my hatred towards him with my friends and at work. Would be weird to cheer for him). I would be pissed if we traded Johansen and I'm sure Jarmo wouldn't. But adding Kesler would make us a strong team.
Also, not a actual rumour but it was a prediction, Aaron Ward of TSN predicted Columbus to acquire him.
Kesler supposedly wants out of Vancouver.
Then, I saw this comment from Bob McKenzie:
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=444757
If we traded Joey for Kesler, I will join Viqsi in lighting people on fire.
Bob McKenzie loses his credibility here. Even Vancouver fans realize they won't get Joey for Kesler.
As much as I dislike him I have to admit he could be a great addition to this Jackets team, but the price is gonna be too high. Kesler has 2 more years at 5 mil., which is a great value. The Jackets probably would have to start with Jenner/Wennberg.
and if the Umberger-Kesler conflict is in the past
I may be alone in this thinking, but there is no way I would trade for Kesler? Would I take him on the team? Sure, but I woudn't trade anything of great value for him.
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Kesler supposedly wants out of Vancouver.
Then, I saw this comment from Bob McKenzie:
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=444757
If we traded Joey for Kesler, I will join Viqsi in lighting people on fire.
The fact that Bob would even suggest such a deal..and people call him an "insider"! I guess his job is to get people reading his articles, and any rumor is a good rumor in that sense. The fact Kesler went to school here is absolutely irrelevant.
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I would love to add Kesler, but definitely not for Johansen. I would however trade Jenner+ for him.
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Kesler supposedly wants out of Vancouver.
Then, I saw this comment from Bob McKenzie:
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=444757
If we traded Joey for Kesler, I will join Viqsi in lighting people on fire.
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