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Speculation: 2014 Offseason - Roster Building / Trade Speculation Thread

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Gardner McKay said:
Or this could be the year he slows down. You never know. You're playing with fire with all these old guys.
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Aufheben said:
I know what you're saying, but that reeeeally doesn't reassure me.
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You're both right, and Joe isn't my ideal target. However, Joe is, and his been, better than Brad Richards and just because they're both old centers it doesn't make sense to compare them. Given that Joe feasts on top line competition, coming in to play on our second line would be a good omen for his production. Again, I don't advocate for it because we lack the goal-scoring depth that makes signing Thornton make sense, and there are possibly younger alternatives out there.

But given the fact we're in win now mode and have a gaping hole at 2C, you can't rule anything out. If i'm Slats and Ryan O'Reily isn't on the market or will cost too much (Kreider+), I call up San Jose and see if I can get them to bite on a lesser trade because they're worried about the Sharks being "chokers."
 
Rust Heisenberg said:
"Scour the market for a center upgrade" who is cheap, affordable, and a game changer.

Yup. Put that under the unrealistic player list that you sarcastically called out -31- for earlier.
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Did you really just add to his quote to make it unrealistic, and then lambaste him for saying something unrealistic?
 
FYI

Kesler, in his first full season, produced at a .28 ppg rate.
In his second full season, he produced at a .46 ppg rate.

He had two incomplete seasons as well in his first four years, producing at a .18 ppg rate and a .33 ppg rate respectively, in those seasons.

Yet, he is elite and Kreider who in his rookie campaign scored at a rate of .56 ppg is "good but expendable"...
 
Trxjw said:
Did you really just add to his quote to make it unrealistic, and then lambaste him for saying something unrealistic?
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I do what I want (short of flaming posters and earning infractions) :nod: :naughty:

and to answer your question...

I only added what he implied.

His solution? Find the impossible. It's easy to be unhappy and complain about the team's moves when your expectations are literally impossible. There is no one out there that fits the description that he wants. No one.

So I quoted him, then added the context and implications that in my opinion speak for the improbability of finding such a player, and then I lambasted him for criticizing someone else for the same exact thing earlier...
 
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jas said:
That someone who is not a Sens fan would propose it scares the bejeezus out me at this very moment.
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Yea but the real question is:

Would Kreider, Skjei, McIlrath, and Zucarello be enough for Zibanejad?

Might need to add more on our side.
 
Heard some more rumors about Thorton wanting to come to the Rangers to play with Nash.

First inclination, hell no. **** Thornton.

Second take, i think i'd do it because hes a pure #1 center (something we have trouble getting here) but the three years remaining scares me. I'd be much more inclined to bring him here if he was on his walk year (or MAYBE 2), that way he and St. Louis would have one crack at it together.

But all signs point to bad move with this. Its the prototypical Rangers / Sather move. Bring in a declining superstar after shipping out another. Especially when youll have to give up a lot to get him. ''

So Third take - hell no. **** Thornton.
 
Thornton is a very good player still. That said, whatever it would cost in assets or lost UFA-RFAs due to cap issues is not worth it.
 
The Broadway Hat said:
You guys need to loosen up the trade restrictions on Kreider. When he's ready for Hart nominations, Hank is going to be ready for buyout negotiations. I love Kreider but if he can land is an amazing piece to get whole hank is still king we need to do it. Period.
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Hart nominations are not the issue at all. He's young, hes relatively cheap for his skill, and he has an extremely rare combination of size, which the team can use more of, and speed, which the team is built around.

You can't add big money pieces at the cost of young players on early contracts. Period. It's literally impossible with the cap situation they're in, and it's idiotic in today's nhl in any situation. How a rangers fan in particular can't see this, I'll never know.
 
They have to be careful not to do too much and blow up a current team that plays pretty well together. Brass and Pou should be back to play with Zuccs and Step, Nash, and Kreider should remain together on the same line. They just need someone to play with MSL and Hags. Unfortunately, there's not much out there. I'd like them to consider Bolland, he's a good two way player with a decent offensive side to his game. Ideally, the Rangers need to find a way to save some coin and maybe bring Stralman back.
 
I can't comment on a trade when I have no idea what we'd be giving up.

That said, I wouldn't be surprised to see Sather go "All in" if you will, at his age. That could mean a lot of Amonte for Matteau type stuff.
 
What would it take to get Thornton? 34 coming off of a 76 point season. The epitome of regular season dominance over the past decade. San Jose is going to want something major in return, they want to retool not rebuild. Not to mention his contract and the fact that we have key cogs becoming rfa or ufa this offseason.

Personally, if he is the guy we go hard after I would give Staal along with a mid-level prospect and a mid-round pick in next year's draft. Miller, Fast, Duclair, our top prospects, should be off the table. San Jose will be looking for highway robbery, if they deal with the Rangers they will have to settle for a convenience store hold-up
 
If you trade Staal to bring in Thornton you still don't have the space to re-sign Stralman, and your defense is screwed.
 
stan the caddy said:
They have to be careful not to do too much and blow up a current team that plays pretty well together. Brass and Pou should be back to play with Zuccs and Step, Nash, and Kreider should remain together on the same line. They just need someone to play with MSL and Hags. Unfortunately, there's not much out there. I'd like them to consider Bolland, he's a good two way player with a decent offensive side to his game. Ideally, the Rangers need to find a way to save some coin and maybe bring Stralman back.
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I think that Staal is the odd-man-out on the back-end. I would rather trade Girardi though
 
stan the caddy said:
They have to be careful not to do too much and blow up a current team that plays pretty well together. Brass and Pou should be back to play with Zuccs and Step, Nash, and Kreider should remain together on the same line. They just need someone to play with MSL and Hags. Unfortunately, there's not much out there. I'd like them to consider Bolland, he's a good two way player with a decent offensive side to his game. Ideally, the Rangers need to find a way to save some coin and maybe bring Stralman back.
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If they find someone new to play 2C, do they trade Miller? I just don't get why he's not in this discussion. He's accomplished what prospects should in the ahl, he's a center, and his cost would be very, very small. If he's not in now, what do they do with him? Go back to the ahl and... Keep doing what you've already done?

I really think he's fit with hags and MSL. Right or wrong, any line with MSL on it won't need the center to do all the playmaking. He'd be able to play with fast players and he'd have a great, great set up man on his right.

There'd be growing pains, but the result would be well worth them. A young center on his ELC is exactly what they need if they want to avoid blowing the rest of this team up.
 
So let's say Staal for a C . Resign Stralman. Do you take Campbell from fla at 50 percent salary?

Also I think Falk at over 1 mil may be let go
 
haveandare said:
If they find someone new to play 2C, do they trade Miller? I just don't get why he's not in this discussion. He's accomplished what prospects should in the ahl, he's a center, and his cost would be very, very small. If he's not in now, what do they do with him? Go back to the ahl and... Keep doing what you've already done?

I really think he's fit with hags and MSL. Right or wrong, any line with MSL on it won't need the center to do all the playmaking. He'd be able to play with fast players and he'd have a great, great set up man on his right.

There'd be growing pains, but the result would be well worth them. A young center on his ELC is exactly what they need if they want to avoid blowing the rest of this team up.
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This is exactly what you may see. If he doesn't cut it maybe a trade happens at the deadline.

Either way, I don't see us trading Kreider for anyone.
 
Gardner McKay said:
FA market? Trade market? Potential targets? It is easy to shoot down other ideas but give no ideas of your own.
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My idea doesnt involve trading Staal, a criminally underrated piece, + other serviceable roster pieces for any center that might be available.

If thats the choice, I'd rather sign every pending free agent, buy out Richards, and go into the season with that.

I am not interested in obliterating depth again for a perceived need.
 
silverfish said:
Again, no idea how trustworthy this guy is:

"MacLean "it seems that right now Joe Thornton only really wants to go to 1 team & that's NY [Rangers]. That's the scuttlebutt""

https://twitter.com/Hope_Smoke/status/479324848884154368

Would it kill Sather to just say "No thanks." :laugh:

EDIT - This also seems very out of character for Jumbo Joe. Why would he want to come to the 'softest' team in the league? :naughty:
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The softest team in the league that just made it to the SCF. He has yet to make it to a SCF.
 
Bleed Ranger Blue said:
My idea doesnt involve trading Staal, a criminally underrated piece, + other serviceable roster pieces for any center that might be available.

If thats the choice, I'd rather sign every pending free agent, buy out Richards, and go into the season with that.

I am not interested in obliterating depth again for a perceived need.
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Perceived need? Come on buddy. You're the first person to call out the Rangers center depth game in and game out throughout the regular season.
 
silverfish said:
Again, no idea how trustworthy this guy is:

"MacLean "it seems that right now Joe Thornton only really wants to go to 1 team & that's NY [Rangers]. That's the scuttlebutt""

https://twitter.com/Hope_Smoke/status/479324848884154368

Would it kill Sather to just say "No thanks." :laugh:

EDIT - This also seems very out of character for Jumbo Joe. Why would he want to come to the 'softest' team in the league? :naughty:
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SF, you're killing me here. This is the last thing I want to read.
 
Bleed Ranger Blue said:
My idea doesnt involve trading Staal, a criminally underrated piece, + other serviceable roster pieces for any center that might be available.

If thats the choice, I'd rather sign every pending free agent, buy out Richards, and go into the season with that.

I am not interested in obliterating depth again for a perceived need.
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For once we agree. For a guy like Spezza or Thornton I think it would be a foolish move. Spezza has one year left and Jumbo Joe is getting up there in age.
 
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