Speculation: 2014 Offseason - Roster Building / Trade Speculation Thread
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TheTakedown
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I absolutely agree with you, and this further proves that he shouldn't be complianced this year.
We have the option to use a regular buy out any time we want with him... There is basically zero chance he's bought out this year...
Now, if we see play like this again next year, then I would be led to believe that he'll be traded (if he plays well for most of that year), or he'll be complianced.
Right now, it's simply not an option unless we get a huge opportunity to upgrade the #1 RW position.
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NYR89
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Gardner McKay
RIP, Jimmy.
Which is really my only issue. Maybe JT does have that ceiling in him. Whether he can reach that ceiling in the NHL is my concern. It isn't so much him in particular that I have a concern about rather, my concern is just the nature of prospects. Go back through some of the draft threads from both our board and the main board over the last 5 years. Do you know how many " can't miss prospects" were complete busts?
My favorite of all time was the HF poll where Keith Ballard absolutely demolished Duncan Keith by like 200 something votes. Every one was talking about how Ballard was the sure fire dman and that Keith would be good but not near "Ballards level". Or the Poll with Tukka Rask, Hannu Toivenen (and I can't remember the third goaltender). IIRC Toivenen blew that one out of the water as well.
It is just the nature of prospects. They are hard to judge and no one really knows what is going to happen. It is all a guessing game. If we can get rid of the guessing game, bring in a player like ROR & keep Step/Brass, it would give us the best C depth we have had in 10+ years.
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there are 2 aspects here...first is fitting everyone under the cap and 2nd is does the cap hit make sense for the role the guy plays. you might be able to fit boyle under the cap at $3.5 mil, but in no way does it make sense to pay him that kind of $$ to be a 4th liner and that deal would potentially create problems later
some of our guys are pricing themselves out of their roles, more than an issue with the overall cap.
Hey BRB believe I know it will be tough with the amount of free agents, but that 2012 to 2013 was ugly. We need consistency. We need to stay the course. This team was not successful because we took a hit the year before with the roster. This team was successful because of the players added at the 2013 deadline and especially through free agency filling out the team's depth.
I'd like to see Carcillo and Moore brought back. Maybe trade Dorsett if cap space is needed.
I really dont want to see Boyle go for all the reasons you stated. But it will be tough.
Pouliot might be gone because of nicer raise from his performance.
I think were looking at 2 centers and a winger for the forwards.
Gardner McKay
RIP, Jimmy.
What if Florida retained like 3 million. IIRC he is a pretty fast skater. Not putrid defensively and (we have said this phrase a million times) could really help the power play. Id be interested to see the price with like 30-40% retained.
Gardner McKay
RIP, Jimmy.
Thornton just signed. Not impressed with RoR. Solid player but not a #1 center. We need a legit #1 center who can set up and create space for Nash. RoR is just not that guy. I could see us shuffling the lines 3 weeks into the season with it ending up being stepan between Nash and Kreider. We need to get Stepan away from Nash and on a different line.
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we don't have assets to trade for someone like Spezza, and we're not getting a #1 pick any time soon. Our best bet at this point is to take a risk on a guy who can be an elite #2 now, and develop into a solid #1... Stepan is half way there, and if we have 2 guys doing it, then we are in good shape. On top of that, it seems O'Reilly will cost the least in terms of assets.
As for Thornton, I know he just signed, however SJ literally commenced rebuild mode about 18 hours ago... anything that was done over the past season has a chance to be shot to ****.
I'm not saying I wanted Spezza.
Having 2 "elite" #2 centers is not going to solve our problem with not having a #1 to set up Nash.
Thornton and Marleau re-signed late in the season, i havent seen reports the sharks will trade Thornton.
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Totally agree, the Rangers need to look at the old NJ teams or Boston and try to get a 2A type center who can play w/ the best guys but isn't a "true #1" -- then make up for it w/ depth & make the D & goaltending the special part of the team.
Gardner McKay
RIP, Jimmy.
First of all, you sound like "some guy in his basement" with the personal insults and getting angry on an internet message board. Cut that crap out.
Secondly, Staal and Brassard out, ROR and Spezza in is "completely turning the roster over???"
What on Earth are you talking about?
Almost everyone is back. Two new players and one rookie promoted.
That's completely ripping up a team that went to the SCF?
The Richards buyout is a given at this point.
Nash has been dramatically underwhelming in two postseasons with the Rangers.
Staal has been great, but with McDonagh developing the way he has, it makes him somewhat expendable in an effort to acquire that young, elite center that we've been missing for so long.
Make some sense next time, please instead of just ranting and raving like a mad man because you disagree with something someone posted.
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That's what I was thinking, but what are we sending the other way?
Staal for Campbell (3 mil retained) + Pirri?
Or maybe Howden or Hayes instead of Pirri?
I'd love to get Bjudstad, but no way that is happening.
Maybe Florida add a pick? Idunno.
HatTrick Swayze
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Definitely daunting thinking about the locker room impact of potentially losing 2 As and the closest "unofficial" thing. Richards, Staal, Boyle.
All we've had for the last 10 years is the 2A type centers. We had 3 of them this past season. With Richards continuing to not be able to keep up with the speed of the game in the playoffs, it looks like his buyout is inevitable.
Stepan is a 2A center.
Brassard is a 2A center.
We're missing a #1C.
The Kings have great center depth with guys like Stoll, Carter, Richards, but it all starts with Kopitar: a legitimate, young/in his prime #1C.
We need a Ryan O'Reilly type player and he just so happens to be somewhat available right now. Sather should be and will be all over this.
To add, there was also media speculation that Thornton would waive to come to NY.
I'd have to consider Staal for Campbell + Howden if they retained some salary.
I'm not sure I see them retaining 3 mil though. I feel like they can get a decent return for him from some team without having to retain anything. Or does Cambell have a NTC?
RGY, I'm right there with you about trying to limit the amount of turnover on this team.
Personally, I'd love to keep around 80% of the roster and have about 20% turn over in an attempt to improve some of our deficiencies.
80% is keeping 16 players.
Kreider, Stepan, Nash, Hagelin, MSL, Zucc, Dorsett, Girardi, McDonagh, Klein, Hank, Cam
That's 12 players, already.
If we look at the other guys: Staal, Stralman, D. Moore, Boyle, J. Moore, Brassard, Pouloit.
Ideally, I'd like to keep Stralman, D. Moore, Boyle. That brings us up to 15 players. If Brassard and Staal were to be packaged together, Pouliot not resigned, and J. Moore brought back, that keeps 80% of our SCF team while hopefully improving several positions with other players that fit AV's system more.
Hypothetically - Staal + Brassard for ROR + ______ upgrades our 2c. If the _____ is McGinn, it upgrades our wing by means of versatility. We needed grit and someone to go to the net... we have a guy we can slot into our 3rd or 4th line and give us that.
After that, I think that whomever is on the 2nd line defense with Stralman is only there as a stop gap for Brady Skjei, who is still at least 1 year away, by my estimation. Connor Allen seems to make the most sense to play there for several reasons, he was given a lot of time in hartford so he's used to a heavy work load, his short stint in the NHL showed that he wasn't overwhelmed and actually quite composed, and they hail him as the McDonagh of the AHL without the offensive skill (I think the comparison here was the ability to limit mistakes... not so much build and tools).
The only guy we really are turning over on the blue line is Staal for Allen, which if is ineffective could be a temporary fix... or even be fixed in-season via trade if its really detrimental.
Meanwhile, we keep most of our roster, and we improve down the middle and in terms of size.
Kreider-Stepan-MSL
Zucc-ROR-Nash
Hagelin-Miller-McGinn
Boyle-Moore-Dorsett
McD-G
Allen-Stralman
Moore-Klein
Hank
Cam
Personally, I'd love to keep around 80% of the roster and have about 20% turn over in an attempt to improve some of our deficiencies.
80% is keeping 16 players.
Kreider, Stepan, Nash, Hagelin, MSL, Zucc, Dorsett, Girardi, McDonagh, Klein, Hank, Cam
That's 12 players, already.
If we look at the other guys: Staal, Stralman, D. Moore, Boyle, J. Moore, Brassard, Pouloit.
Ideally, I'd like to keep Stralman, D. Moore, Boyle. That brings us up to 15 players. If Brassard and Staal were to be packaged together, Pouliot not resigned, and J. Moore brought back, that keeps 80% of our SCF team while hopefully improving several positions with other players that fit AV's system more.
Hypothetically - Staal + Brassard for ROR + ______ upgrades our 2c. If the _____ is McGinn, it upgrades our wing by means of versatility. We needed grit and someone to go to the net... we have a guy we can slot into our 3rd or 4th line and give us that.
After that, I think that whomever is on the 2nd line defense with Stralman is only there as a stop gap for Brady Skjei, who is still at least 1 year away, by my estimation. Connor Allen seems to make the most sense to play there for several reasons, he was given a lot of time in hartford so he's used to a heavy work load, his short stint in the NHL showed that he wasn't overwhelmed and actually quite composed, and they hail him as the McDonagh of the AHL without the offensive skill (I think the comparison here was the ability to limit mistakes... not so much build and tools).
The only guy we really are turning over on the blue line is Staal for Allen, which if is ineffective could be a temporary fix... or even be fixed in-season via trade if its really detrimental.
Meanwhile, we keep most of our roster, and we improve down the middle and in terms of size.
Kreider-Stepan-MSL
Zucc-ROR-Nash
Hagelin-Miller-McGinn
Boyle-Moore-Dorsett
McD-G
Allen-Stralman
Moore-Klein
Hank
Cam
Thank you for correcting that.
That's so friggin confusing and convoluted. I guess it doesn't make sense then.
I'd love if we could get a decent return for Nash, but I feel like they've invested a lot in him already and will try everything to get him going again (ie: Welcome to NY Joe Thornton
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Campbell is 35, has 2 years left at 7.14 mil cap hit, and wants out of Florida. I don't know that many teams will be able to take on a 7.14 mil cap hit and Florida may not mind retaining since it will get them closer to the cap floor. Although unfortunately for them, Campbell's salary is the same as his cap number.
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