Speculation: 2014 Offseason - Roster Building / Trade Speculation Thread

[Ola]

SJ can't ask for full value for Thornton, can they? I mean they are dealing a contract of a vet that is yet to enter into force.

I rather have Thornton than E Staal. Much rather...

 

[Ola]

Aren't there rumours that the Canes are looking to move E Staal to save cash?

The whole 'Staal wants to play with his brothers so he'll only be a rental' is very overblown IMO

Yeah, but it's HFboards in a nutshell. You are giving up ROR in a trade and then complains about the contract you get lol. You don't add a cent in a Staal for ROR swap.

 

[Ola]

Is everyone convinced that Boyle is 100% gone?

Yupp.

 

[Infinitum Vitae*]

Stepan better than staal? Ok

 

[Inferno]

Stepan for Staal is being discussed. More pieces would be added

i might puke...

 

[Ola]

Originally Posted by
Los Angeles’ success, though, hasn’t altered Wilson’s attitude when it comes to his own club. He’s more than comfortable now throwing around the word “rebuild,” and fully admits that the Sharks, as currently constructed, simply can’t contend with the elite teams in the NHL, in his view.

“I don’t think we feel we’re close enough with where the other teams are at,” Wilson said. “They went through [a rebuild]. They’re there. I honestly think we’d be fooling ourselves.”

“The rebuild is committed to. The players that fit for now and the future, their growth is going to be the primary thing. … Remember where we’re trying to get to. It’s not about here, it’s about there.”
Originally Posted by
“That’s really the ultimate question,” Wilson said. “I don’t want to put a name on you, but you’re a guy that hasn’t won, had a long career, you want to go win. You might say, ‘this doesn’t fit for me.’
Originally Posted by
Wilson made his rebuilding position known less than two weeks after the first round collapse, and admitted that his phone has been ringing a little bit more frequently since. While Thornton and Marleau have gotten the lion’s share of the attention when it comes to trade rumors, there are other players on the roster, like Brent Burns and Antti Niemi, that could conceivably not be a part of the team’s future plans.

The list of players safe from movement is much shorter than the list of potential trade bait.

http://www.csnbayarea.com/sharks/wilson-adamant-sharks-are-entering-rebuilding-phase

 

[Infinitum Vitae*]

So I guess Staal is to big of a risk to trade with

 

[Ola]

Wow, we could be getting Joe T.

That would be huge.

Skjei and Kristo for Jumbo.

 

[Infinitum Vitae*]

Wow, we could be getting Joe T.

That would be huge.

Skjei and Kristo for Jumbo.

I would do that in a heart beat

 

[Ola]

i might puke...

Me too.

E Staal anno 2014 just rubs me the wrong way...

 

[TheTakedown]

I can't see Staal conceivably fitting here $ wise...

ROR or Joe Thorton are home runs if you ask me...

Eric Staals contract is much too large. We do not have that much cap room and steps hardly makes enough... Carolina would have to eat at least 40% of that contract...

Stastny will simply be too high for us to purchase...but if were going after a center man and trading little to no assets I think stastny is the better option there...

 

[TheTakedown]

Link with comments from SJS GM Wilson:

http://www.csnbayarea.com/sharks/wilson-adamant-sharks-are-entering-rebuilding-phase

 

[Ola]

I would do that in a heart beat

Firstly,

Yeah, I have no idea what SJ would want for him. But, it de facto is a special situation when a 16 year veteran chasing a Cup resigns with and commits to his team in like April and the team decides to rebuild in June...

If Thornton goes "trade me to NY" or I'll sit out, SJ is not going to look good.

Through the history of this league, I don't thin a contract signed by a UFA -- ever -- has been traded this fast.

Again, I have no clue. It might take like a player like a Brass/Step/Zucc + a prospect + a 1st to get him, and if so, we just can't give up that much. But like I would be shocked if Ottawa gave away Spezza for a 2nd round pick and a avg prospect, I would -- not -- be shocked if SJ felt forced to do the same with Thornton.

Secondly,

Is Thornton a good fit in NY? He is not fast!?

Thornton would play with Kreider and Nash on the first line. AV is really good at and loves using a designated O-zone start line. That line can be heavy, should be heavy. That size is the biggest diffrence between the teams in the West and the East. We could more or less go with this lineup:

Kreids-Joe T-Nash
Hagelin-Step-MSL
Poo-Brass-Zucc
Dorsett-Moore-Car Bomb/Fast/Miller

People can say what they want. That line would -- not -- be easy to match up against for any coach in this league. I mean, lets say you stand behind the bench of say Philly. You have Streit on one pairing and Timmonen on the other, how on earth do you match your D pairings against our top line? Both our 2nd and 3rd lines has speed...

Link with comments from SJS GM Wilson:

http://www.csnbayarea.com/sharks/wilson-adamant-sharks-are-entering-rebuilding-phase

Thanks! I was on the phone...

 

[Zil]

For all the people saying Marc Staal only has one year of team control, ROR only has two years of RFA left. Staal really is a fair starting point for a ROR package.

 

[TheTakedown]

At this point we can all agree that Staal will eventually net us a #1 center man to put in front of step.

I really hope stepan is NOT traded.

I also want zero part of kesler. Forgot to mention him before.

 

[theFiGS]

So who do we target? I think biggest need is at center obviously and I'd love for us to open the wallet and give the money to stastny. He's a gamer and exactly what we need, but if we fail with stastny I think we need another top 6 winger ( cammalari Iginla vanek moulson ) left wing is a weak area for us and I've always said we lack not 1 but 2 top 6 forward. It's amazing that we made the cup despite having a true 1C and a true top line LW, Kreider is more of a 2nd line LW and Stepan is a 2C, just because they're our first liners doesn't mean they'd be most teams first liners. Not sure what our cap situation is like but I'd be happy with
Hagelin stastny MSL
Kreider Stepan Nash
Pouliot brassard Zucc
Boyle Moore carcillo

It'll be interesting to see what happens with miller, if we get a center he needs to play LW but if we get a LW in free agency miller will need to be a center here on out. What do you guys think?

 

[NewLife]

San Jose did sign n traded Setogucci for Burns a couple if years ago

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

If Stepan is traded for E Staal I will riot Vancouver 2011 style.

 

[theFiGS]

If Stepan is traded for E Staal I will riot Vancouver 2011 style.

Why would you riot? Staal is definitely a 1C where Stepan is a 2C and can be replaced easier than getting a 1C in the league. E staal has been on a bad Carolina team for a few years now, it's easy to forget he can easily be a PPG guy

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Why would you riot? Staal is definitely a 1C where Stepan is a 2C and can be replaced easier than getting a 1C in the league. E staal has been on a bad Carolina team for a few years now, it's easy to forget he can easily be a PPG guy

because Stepan is 23 and continually improving while Staal's numbers have fallen and his effort level/dedication are consistent questions. Plus a $8.25M cap hit vs $3.075M.

It would be a classic Rangers mistake. I can't believe people actually think this isn't an egregious trade for the Rangers, it's pretty sickening. Stepan isn't some easily replaceable player.

 

[theFiGS]

because Stepan is 23 and continually improving while Staal's numbers have fallen and his effort level/dedication are consistent questions. Plus a $8.25M cap hit vs $3.075M.

It would be a classic Rangers mistake. I can't believe people actually think this isn't an egregious trade for the Rangers, it's pretty sickening. Stepan isn't some easily replaceable player.

Wow you know what didn't realize staal makes that much and I always forget Stepan is only 23, at the same time I don't see step becoming a 1C unless he puts up 15-20 points more a season and improve his skating. But you're right would be a bad trade, these team lacks a 1C tho, they need to find a 1C without giving up Stepan to have serious depth. Yeah that's hard to do

 

[Ola]

For all the people saying Marc Staal only has one year of team control, ROR only has two years of RFA left. Staal really is a fair starting point for a ROR package.

Yeah, lol, we supposedly are moving Marc Staal plus a bunch of assets like Hagelin and Miller for ROR at 6.5m per???

 

[theFiGS]

Yeah, lol, we supposedly are moving Marc Staal plus a bunch of assets like Hagelin and Miller for ROR at 6.5m per???

I read that too, classic other teams fan over valuing a player. ROR for staal would be completely fair, 2nd pairing dman with the shut down ability staal has for a 2 way 2C is more than fair. Id never add to staal to get ROR

 

[Ola]

At this point we can all agree that Staal will eventually net us a #1 center man to put in front of step.

I really hope stepan is NOT traded.

I also want zero part of kesler. Forgot to mention him before.

Yeah, but giving up Marc Staal is tough.

I would like it to be a real good return for us to deal Staal. At least thats how I feel right now, if Staal is injured again next season and breaks records with how long he is out, I will of course regret not pulling the trigger. But Marc Staal got a heck of a precense on a blueline. In some areas, he is like top 5 in the World. I don't mind ROR, he is a decent player and would be a decent fit as a top center. I would especialy like the 1-2-3 punch of Step-ROR-Brass in whatever order.

Wow you know what didn't realize staal makes that much and I always forget Stepan is only 23, at the same time I don't see step becoming a 1C unless he puts up 15-20 points more a season and improve his skating. But you're right would be a bad trade, these team lacks a 1C tho, they need to find a 1C without giving up Stepan to have serious depth. Yeah that's hard to do

I get your point, but I think everyone in the Ranger community, Slats first and foremost, should be brainwashed into never again thinking in terms of "1st line"/"2nd line"/"3rd line". We could have won it this season, because we iced a good hockey team. Can Derek Stepan be a part of a good hockey team? Yes. Can Brassard center a line on a good hockey team that can play late? Yes. When we loose BR, can we ice a good enough PP? Questionable. How do we fix that then? That is a question that should be asked. We need players that will make the other teams adjust to them, match lines, that can take the match-ups against the best lines of the other teams. A typical heavy scoring line. We got a heavy 0-0 line, is that enough? Questionable. Can we fix that? How do we do that best? Move Nash? Upgrade Step? When is it possible to make these upgrades, now or at the deadline or next summer? All that are by my book reasonable questions.

I don't at all agree with any thinking in line of "4m per year is too much for a 3rd line center in Brass" or "Step is not good enough to be a 1st line center".

I read that too, classic other teams fan over valuing a player. ROR for staal would be completely fair, 2nd pairing dman with the shut down ability staal has for a 2 way 2C is more than fair. Id never add to staal to get ROR

Agreed.

Staal is put into a cathegory that isn't very telling. Staal has numerous times been a No 1 D for a team that has made the POs. He has numerous times taken extremely tough match-ups against the best in the game, and handled himself really well. He avg 25:17 during 20 games in the 11/12 POs, he avg. 28:01 during the 10/11 POs. And so forth. Not many players have played more PO games or minutes than Staal the last handful of years.

There are at least a hanful of teams out there that with a very promising future offensively, but needs to make huge improvements defensively over the coming years to become real contenders. I mean, Marc Staal alone completely change the make-ups for those teams.

And its ridiculous to talk about those teams "waiting" to sign Staal until next summer. We are trading Staal or locking him up...

 

[Ghost of jas]

I'm sure Step-for-Staal was discussed in the same manner Kreider and Stepan were discussed in the Nash discussions. Carolina probably asked for Stepan when the Rangers inquired about Staal. I don't see anything happening.