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Speculation: 2014 Offseason - Roster Building / Trade Speculation Thread VII

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SeventySeven said:
Depends on the rest of the deal.

If it's Stepan + depth, then yes.

If it's Stepan, McIlrath, and a 2nd, for example, we don't lose any depth, and we essentially just upgrade Stepan to Spezza without really losing anything dire or immediate.

And because of the Spezza situation (he controls his destination AND he's not signed past this season), Ottawa isn't going to get full value for him. That's why it's the ideal opportunity for Sather to add just a little to Stepan and upgrade the position, IMO.
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Respectfully I think this is wrong.

The Rangers need a center WITH Stepan on the roster. If they trade him for one they STILL have a need for a center, but will have less cap to get one. If you think the Rangers can make a cup run with center depth of (guy traded for Stepan), Brassard, Miller, and Moore (who is not a lock to resign) or Lindberg I think you might be delusional.

Not to mention the team suffers defensively by losing Stepan.
 
jerseyjinx94 said:
Before it turns into a flamefest? It's already a flamefest, because you're insisting that this is a good trade for us. Dude - Bro - listen to me for a second. Check it - Stepan is 24 ****ing years old. Spezza is 31. What Spezza did at Stepan's age was 7 ****ing years ago. I couldn't even drink alcohol legally for most of that season. 7 years ago. Supporting a claim that Stepan will never be as good as Spezza is only relevant if you're looking at Stepan from here on out and Spezza from here on out. And the numbers show two things: (1) Spezza is getting older and will likely decline, has a year left on his deal at $7M, would cost a **** ton to re-sign, is no guarantee to fit in the locker room/have chemistry, and is no guarantee to return to the point production he produced 2 years ago, or 3 years ago, or 7 years ago, and (2) Stepan is getting better every year in some facet, he is at the point where IMO he is one of the more underrated defensive players in the league, has the head and the talent to wear an "A" on his sweater one day, has a year left and then is still an RFA, and by all accounts across the league, by fans, and GMs, is, and likely is, viewed as a Patrice Bergeron-lite.

You can't claim that my arguments are irrelevant and then cite stats from 7 ****ing years ago. Sure, Stepan may not score as many points as Spezza in his career. But if this trade is made, the only relevant stats are Spezza from age 31 until his Ranger career ends, and Stepan for the rest of his ****ing career.
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You have tunnel vision.

The bottom line is we need a 1C, and Spezza is a much better player in that role than Stepan is. That's a fact. The stats prove it.

If Spezza comes here and NYR wins a Cup, but Stepan goes on to score 50-60 points for the next 10 years, that's a bad move by your line of thinking.

It's nothing but wishful thinking to hope that Stepan will eventually develop into something he's not.

Lundqvist isn't getting any younger. And he is our best shot at winning a Cup. The time is now. If you can upgrade Stepan to Spezza, you do it every time.

This is all without even mentioning that in a year from now, Stepan will be commanding 6+ per year. So you'd rather pay Stepan 6+ a year for the next 8 years for his 50-60 points than Spezza ~7-8 million for the next 4 years for 80 points and a much better overall player?

Ok, then.
 
Savant said:
And Boston got murdered in that deal.
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Not really.

Someone pointed out, Eriksson had two concussions this year. That **** happens. Eriksson is one of the best 2-way forwards in the NHL. Seguin was their 3C. They also got Smith.

Dallas wins the deal, but only because of the injuries to Eriksson. Everyone knew Seguin would break out, it just wasn't going to be with Boston.
 
Machinehead said:
You're giving Lou too much credit. The guy went senile years ago and he's taking the Devils with him.
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I don't think you are giving him enough credit. I hate him but I certainly respect him, especially in player evaluation.
 
Savant said:
Respectfully I think this is wrong.

The Rangers need a center WITH Stepan on the roster. If they trade him for one they STILL have a need for a center, but will have less cap to get one. If you think the Rangers can make a cup run with center depth of (guy traded for Stepan), Brassard, Miller, and Moore (who is not a lock to resign) or Lindberg I think you might be delusional.

Not to mention the team suffers defensively by losing Stepan.
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Ideally, of course.

But this is a salary capped league and it's tight.

I'm still waiting for someone to show me how the Rangers not only afford but ACQUIRE this top-line center WITHOUT giving up Stepan or Staal (who really can't be traded when we're losing Stralman at the same time).

Show me how we add this mysterious center without trading Stepan.

You want to pay 8 million for Paul Stastny, who is barely better than Stepan?

Spezza is light-years ahead of these guys. Thank God Sather runs this team and not some uninformed fairweather fans.
 
SeventySeven said:
You have tunnel vision.

The bottom line is we need a 1C, and Spezza is a much better player in that role than Stepan is. That's a fact. The stats prove it.

If Spezza comes here and NYR wins a Cup, but Stepan goes on to score 50-60 points for the next 10 years, that's a bad move by your line of thinking.

It's nothing but wishful thinking to hope that Stepan will eventually develop into something he's not.

Lundqvist isn't getting any younger. And he is our best shot at winning a Cup. The time is now. If you can upgrade Stepan to Spezza, you do it every time.

This is all without even mentioning that in a year from now, Stepan will be commanding 6+ per year. So you'd rather pay Stepan 6+ a year for the next 8 years for his 50-60 points than Spezza ~7-8 million for the next 4 years for 80 points and a much better overall player?

Ok, then.
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Okay, last post for me on this subject. I can't take it anymore.

1. You're the one with tunnel vision, insisting we have to trade a 24 year old 1C for Spezza after weeks of being obsessed with selling everyone for ROR and making him team captain.

2. Nothing but wishful thinking? He's progressing in the NHL. He's 24. There is absolutely no reason to believe he won't be a 60-65-70 point scorer in this league in his prime. No reason at all.

3. Stepan will NOT command $6M a year from now. Not happening. I don't think you understand how contracts work. Your precious ROR is different.

4. You're assuming Spezza scores 80 points for the next 4 years? :laugh: That would be impressive if he did that. Don't see it. I see him around 65-70 from here on out.
 
Vitto79 said:
My final predictions

Moore, carcillo and pouliott sign

Boyle and Stralman gone

Lose on ehrhoff and Boyle so they sign Fayne

Sign carter
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Could be.

I don't think Pouliot is smart enough to sign and stay in a situation that was good for him. He is seeing green and will go elsewhere. Don't think he will repeat his success he had with Brassard and Zuccarello if he leaves.

Would like Malhotra more than Carter. Would like Skille more than both. Need speed. Need size. He brings both.

Fayne. Brutal if we are looking to replace Stralman. Again. Not enough mobility.
 
SeventySeven said:
Ideally, of course.

But this is a salary capped league and it's tight.

I'm still waiting for someone to show me how the Rangers not only afford but ACQUIRE this top-line center WITHOUT giving up Stepan or Staal (who really can't be traded when we're losing Stralman at the same time).

Show me how we add this mysterious center without trading Stepan.

You want to pay 8 million for Paul Stastny, who is barely better than Stepan?

Spezza is light-years ahead of these guys. Thank God Sather runs this team and not some uninformed fairweather fans.
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It's hilarious that you think Sather's actually going to trade Stepan for Spezza. We get it. You think it's a good idea and will not be dissuaded. Now please stop posting it over and over again.
 
someone stole hank said:
So your saying staal passed the puck to the other team in OT to lose a game?
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No but it was Staal who got worked by Kyle Clifford on the 1st goal in that game. It was Staal who couldn't keep Brown out of the slot on the game 2 winner. It was Staal who left Jeff Carter wide open on that dagger goal in game 3. It was Staal who was out of position on game 5's opening goal. It was Staal who made a glaring mistake on 4 different Canadiens goals in game 5 of that series. It was Staal who got caught up ice on Galchenyuk's OT winner.
 
ElectrocutedCat said:
Could be.

I don't think Pouliot is smart enough to sign and stay in a situation that was good for him. He is seeing green and will go elsewhere. Don't think he will repeat his success he had with Brassard and Zuccarello if he leaves.
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I would agree w/ this statement, but now w/ Pittsburgh's expressed interest, Pouliot would fit in that lineup perfectly.

We should have a poll who the reclamation project UFA will be this offseason.
 
SeventySeven said:
Ideally, of course.

But this is a salary capped league and it's tight.

I'm still waiting for someone to show me how the Rangers not only afford but ACQUIRE this top-line center WITHOUT giving up Stepan or Staal (who really can't be traded when we're losing Stralman at the same time).

Show me how we add this mysterious center without trading Stepan.

You want to pay 8 million for Paul Stastny, who is barely better than Stepan?

Spezza is light-years ahead of these guys. Thank God Sather runs this team and not some uninformed fairweather fans.
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Would NOT sign Stastny.

would sign Ehrhoff and Stralman

Would trade Staal for center afterwards.

Bedtime for me. Holler at me tomorrow.
 
Machinehead said:
No but it was Staal who got worked by Kyle Clifford on the 1st goal in that game. It was Staal who couldn't keep Brown out of the slot on the game 2 winner. It was Staal who left Jeff Carter wide open on that dagger goal in game 3. It was Staal who was out of position on game 5's opening goal. It was Staal who made a glaring mistake on 4 different Canadiens goals in game 5 of that series. It was Staal who got caught up ice on Galchenyuk's OT winner.
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Didn't that Carter goal deflected off of Girardi's skate

Edit: also galchenyuk goal went off his throat as a dman you can't do much but tie up his stick in this day and age
 
someone stole hank said:
We get rid of Staal and McIlrath isn't ready were in for a pain of hurt in our crease
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McIlrath has nothing to do with Staal.

McIlrath is a right-handed defenseman that plays the right side.

Staal is a left-handed defenseman that plays the left side.

Staal was with the club in the Final. Why were the Kings all over Lundqvist? He didn't make a difference, what effect does he have moving forward in that regard?

If the Rangers lose Stralman and replace him with McIlrath, it'll be an issue with mobility and inexperience.

If they replace Staal with McIlrath (can't due to side) its an issue with inexperience.

Both Staal and McIlrath strengths come with them not moving around. Stationary strengths. Board work. Front of the net strength. Needed, but in part of a more versatile package. And you need to pair Staal or McIlrath with a mobile partner.
 
frozenrubber said:
I would agree w/ this statement, but now w/ Pittsburgh's expressed interest, Pouliot would fit in that lineup perfectly.

We should have a poll who the reclamation project UFA will be this offseason.
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Not so sure. He may not find the same chemistry. The Penguins are good, but not some unbeatable team. As we illustrated. Point being, dispite the talent there, he may not find the chemistry. He might. And good on him if he does.
 
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