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It's not even that. If they trade Stepan for a center, then the Rangers STILL need a center.
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It's not even that. If they trade Stepan for a center, then the Rangers STILL need a center.
JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK
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Sigh.
It is relevant, because it helps support the claim that Stepan will never be as good as Spezza.
HF: where your own team's players are bound to produce more than they've shown they're able to and 31 year olds who have proved they can produce at a much higher level are not worth it! Gotta love it!
Spezza (in a horrible down year for him) outscores Stepan (in a career year). Stepan is a fringe 1C at best. Truly, he's ideally a 2C. Spezza is an elite 1C. He's a point-per-game player and proven playoff performer.
You clearly don't care to have a thoughtful, logical discusson, so I'll just back out before this turns into a flamefest.
Dude, you're the one who gets nasty with people when they disagree with you.
Depends on the rest of the deal.
If it's Stepan + depth, then yes.
If it's Stepan, McIlrath, and a 2nd, for example, we don't lose any depth, and we essentially just upgrade Stepan to Spezza without really losing anything dire or immediate.
And because of the Spezza situation (he controls his destination AND he's not signed past this season), Ottawa isn't going to get full value for him. That's why it's the ideal opportunity for Sather to add just a little to Stepan and upgrade the position, IMO.
Machinehead
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Yeah because it was like 9 million a year in a pre-cap world it would never happen now.
Holik still surpassed any realistic expectation, so to imply that Fayne wouldn't work because he's a Devil is a fallacy.
Signing Moore (assuming to something close to 1.65-1.75 x 3) gives a nice window for Lindberg to develop. Play another full season in Hartford. And if Lindberg forces his hand with his play, Dominic is always a hot commodity in the trade market.
Machinehead
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Top-line center
Brassard
Miller
Moore/4th line center
finding a 4th line center is a lot easier than finding a 1st. If you can get a legitimate 1C for your 2nd line C masquerading as a 1st, you have to do it IMO.
JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK
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Tyler Seguin was traded for Loui Eriksson.
Reality Check: Derek Stepan is not untouchable.
Staal has never lost a ****ing step he was never fast but made up for it with his long reach. Everyone in the league wants a Dman like Staal. And he looked fine in the Playoffs so I have no idea what the****your talking about with him not being the same since the injury. He wins board battles (especially against the big boys) and has great outlet pass ability. The two Dmen I don't trade are McD and Staal IMO
Boston had Bergeron and Krejci. Big difference there.
Give it up. Stepan won't be going in any deal for Spezza.
jerseyjinx94
I jinx players.
Sigh.
It is relevant, because it helps support the claim that Stepan will never be as good as Spezza.
HF: where your own team's players are bound to produce more than they've shown they're able to and 31 year olds who have proved they can produce at a much higher level are not worth it! Gotta love it!
Spezza (in a horrible down year for him) outscores Stepan (in a career year). Stepan is a fringe 1C at best. Truly, he's ideally a 2C. Spezza is an elite 1C. He's a point-per-game player and proven playoff performer.
You clearly don't care to have a thoughtful, logical discusson, so I'll just back out before this turns into a flamefest.
Before it turns into a flamefest? It's already a flamefest, because you're insisting that this is a good trade for us. Dude - Bro - listen to me for a second. Check it - Stepan is 24 ****ing years old. Spezza is 31. What Spezza did at Stepan's age was 7 ****ing years ago. I couldn't even drink alcohol legally for most of that season. 7 years ago. Supporting a claim that Stepan will never be as good as Spezza is only relevant if you're looking at Stepan from here on out and Spezza from here on out. And the numbers show two things: (1) Spezza is getting older and will likely decline, has a year left on his deal at $7M, would cost a **** ton to re-sign, is no guarantee to fit in the locker room/have chemistry, and is no guarantee to return to the point production he produced 2 years ago, or 3 years ago, or 7 years ago, and (2) Stepan is getting better every year in some facet, he is at the point where IMO he is one of the more underrated defensive players in the league, has the head and the talent to wear an "A" on his sweater one day, has a year left and then is still an RFA, and by all accounts across the league, by fans, and GMs, is, and likely is, viewed as a Patrice Bergeron-lite.
You can't claim that my arguments are irrelevant and then cite stats from 7 ****ing years ago. Sure, Stepan may not score as many points as Spezza in his career. But if this trade is made, the only relevant stats are Spezza from age 31 until his Ranger career ends, and Stepan for the rest of his ****ing career.
NoQuitInNewMexico
it's okay cause it's all just the way it should be
I don't think anyone will be defending what Chiarelli did there in a couple years.
Stepan isn't a golden goose, Spezza isn't garbage but it's not a trade that works.
Maybe, maybe not.
But to act like that's out of the question is just not accurate.
Sather is going to do something to address the LACK of a 1st line center.
Richards wasn't a 1C, but the combination of Richards-Stepan-Brassard made up for it.
He's not going to just assume J.T. Miller will come in and fill Richards' shoes.
If we were going to stand pat at center, Moore and Stralman would be signed already.
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No.
My point, as I said earlier, is Lou does not let players leave that he thinks can hurt him. If Lou thought Fayne was good enough to resign he would have done it already. It's not like the Devils's defense last year was anything to write home about. They had a bunch of "depth" but none of them were very good. Volchenkov and Salvador are both amnesty bait and they still are willing to let Fayne walk? I'm not falling for it.
Why does Fayne deserve to double his salary? He is not an upgrade on Klein.
Machinehead
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He did not look fine against LA and Montreal. It was an adventure every time he was on the ice.
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Curse all you want, doesn't make you correct.
Go back and watch the playoffs again, without emotional attachment.
Staal was absolutely exposed, exploited, and brutal in the ECF and SCF. Brutal. Stralman covered for A LOT of his mistakes.
I don't need to illustrate it with words when the proof is out there, make the effort yourself and rewatch the games.
He absolutely lost a step.
And I have mentioned before the attributes he still retains are his stick work and positioning. It wasn't enough in the ECF and SCF. And it won't be enough moving forward without a partner like Stralman to clean up his errors created by a lack of mobility. Yes, his board work is good too. Problem is, when he loses the foot races to loose pucks that are on the boards.
Its not a coincidence the Kings were putting the puck in Staal's corner.
Machinehead
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You're giving Lou too much credit. The guy went senile years ago and he's taking the Devils with him.
jerseyjinx94
I jinx players.
Stepan is a legitimate #1C in the NHL. He's not masquerading as anything. He's not elite, but he is a legitimate, 2-way, first line center.
Spezza is a legitimate scoring first line center. There's a difference.
If we could upgrade Stepan in a deal, I would want a 23-27 year old C, decent contract, 2-way player, 1st line caliber. What I don't want is a 31 year old.
You do realize that makes our top three scorers 39, 31 and 30. And our goalie 32. We go from having one of the better young cores in the NHL to a oh **** they better win immediately because they have no prospects, no youth, and everyone's on a ****ing retirement check.
My final predictions
Moore, carcillo and pouliott sign
Boyle and Stralman gone
Lose on ehrhoff and Boyle so they sign Fayne
Sign carter
Moore, carcillo and pouliott sign
Boyle and Stralman gone
Lose on ehrhoff and Boyle so they sign Fayne
Sign carter
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