Speculation: 2014 Offseason - Roster Building / Trade Speculation Thread VII

[Brooklyn Ranger]

Rangers beat writers are some of the worst in the league. They do nothing but report after the fact. No inside information, no balls, no contacts.

Gross is useless. Zipay even worse. Leonard writes like he's in high school. Strang is ok.

It wasn't always like this.

Blame the team--the organization (and its owner) is completely obsessed with secrecy.

 

[Savant]

Anyone who wants Fayne hasn't learned anything from past Rangers mistakes.

 

[Zuccarello Awesome*]

For the love of god, stop.

I'm sorry. Am I interrupting your 20th post about how Dan Boyle will get 5M but he doesn't deserve it? Grow up. It's a legitimate proposal and Spezza has been linked to NYR, whether the rumors are accurate or not, it's worth a discussion.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Anyone who wants Fayne hasn't learned anything from past Rangers mistakes.

What mistakes?

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Ottawa is not trading Spezza in the East, much less to the defending EC champions.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

What mistakes?

Devil rejects?

 

[Zuccarello Awesome*]

Anyone who wants Fayne hasn't learned anything from past Rangers mistakes.

Is Fayne some aging superstar or something that we're going to give a huge contract to?

He'd be getting a 2-4 year deal at ~3M if we do sign him. Other teams may give him more, but that's the nature of free agency. I don't understand your comment.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I'm sorry. Am I interrupting your 20th post about how Dan Boyle will get 5M but he doesn't deserve it? Grow up. It's a legitimate proposal and Spezza has been linked to NYR, whether the rumors are accurate or not, it's worth a discussion.

It's not realistic, because Sather isn't trading 24 year old Stepan for 31 year old UFA to be Spezza.

The sooner you realize this, the happier all of us will be.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

It's not realistic, because Sather isn't trading 24 year old Stepan for 31 year old UFA to be Spezza.

The sooner the realize this, the happier all of us will be.

Well, maybe Sather would

But it's not a good ****ing trade. It would derail this organization for years to come.

 

[The Undertaker]

Anyone who wants Fayne hasn't learned anything from past Rangers mistakes.

Anyone who wants Thornton, Spezza, Stastny, or D. Boyle hasn't learned anything from past Rangers mistakes.

 

[Zuccarello Awesome*]

Ottawa is not trading Spezza in the East, much less to the defending EC champions.

Is that like how Tampa wouldn't trade MSL within the East?

If was up to Ottawa, he'd already be in Nashville or Anaheim.

Spezza controls where he goes.

 

[Savant]

Is Fayne some aging superstar or something that we're going to give a huge contract to?

He'd be getting a 2-4 year deal at ~3M if we do sign him. Other teams may give him more, but that's the nature of free agency. I don't understand your comment.

What ex-Devil has gone to the Rangers and done better?

Lou doesn't let guys walk that he thinks can hurt him. Period. Sather shouldn't take the bait. And what has Fayne done to more than double him salary?

 

[JKDR1]

Want no part of Fayne. What ex-Devil has gone to the Rangers and done better? Sather should know better.

They should go all in on Ehrhoff, resign Stralman and trade Staal. They have limited trade assets to get better on offense. If they sigh Ehrhoff they can (unfortunately) sacrifice Staal.

Exactly

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Is that like how Tampa wouldn't trade MSL within the East?

If was up to Ottawa, he'd already be in Nashville or Anaheim.

Spezza controls where he goes.

totally different situations.. MSL wanted to go to ONE place. ONE.. Tampa had zero leverage. He was coming here either last deadline or this off season.

 

[Savant]

Anyone who wants Thornton, Spezza, Stastny, or D. Boyle hasn't learned anything from past Rangers mistakes.

Good I don't want any of those players. I deserve a cookie.

Spezza You might be able to sell me on because he is only on a one year deal. if you let him walk it clears cap space.

Boyle on a one year deal stop gap makes some sense but anything more than that is absurd.

 

[Zil]

Well, maybe Sather would

But it's not a good ****ing trade. It would derail this organization for years to come.

Most of his worst moves have been free agent signings. He doesn't really trade kids. He'll deal picks, but not prospects.

 

[Zuccarello Awesome*]

It's not realistic, because Sather isn't trading 24 year old Stepan for 31 year old UFA to be Spezza.

The sooner the realize this, the happier all of us will be.

Since you know what Sather won't do, can you save us all the time and tell us exactly what moves he's going to make to improve this team?

Your opinion is not fact.

It's realistic because we have two second-line centers and need a first, and Spezza (a first line center) is available because he asked for a trade and controls where he accepts a trade to (NTC).

31 or not, Spezza is a better player than Stepan likely ever will be.

Stepan likely tops out at 60-65 points. That's a DOWN year for Spezza, who scored 90 points in 68 games at Stepan's current age. And Spezza scored 84 points two seasons ago before he got hurt during the shortened lockout season. And in a total disaster year in Ottawa, he still outscored Stepan this past season.

Spezza isn't 40. He's 31. He gives us a better chance to win The Cup now than Stepan does, and he still likely has another 3-5 years in him.

Some fans just fall in love with their own players and refuse to trade them for anyone who's older. I love Stepan, but I love the Rangers more. Spezza makes us a better team. It's as simple as that. Thankfully, Glen Sather knows this, even if you don't.

 

[SupersonicMonkey*]

Fayne could be a top pair caliber player defensively and I'd still take issue with signing him.

He is not the high-end skating defenseman needed to play the system and create offense by being able to win races to pucks and get the puck through the neutral zone.

Stralman may not put up points, but he gets control of the puck and can get it up the ice quickly, either via quick passes or skating it himself.

Things that Staal and Fayne can not and will not do.

I'm looking for players that fit. Fit the system. Fit the style of play. Fit the identity. Fit the speed, transition, and possession game we were lauded for in the playoffs and the second half of the season. Stralman was a big part of that.

"Montreal wasn't ready for New York's speed" "LA was taken by surprise by New York's speed". It starts from the back end. We lost because of a lack of finish.

We wore down MTL's slow defenders. Subban one of their only mobile defenders ran out of gas.

Take away the speed and possession from the back end, and take away their ability to move it up quickly, and our forwards, no matter how fast they are will be rendered useless. The gap between the defense and the speed of Kreider, Hagelin, Zuccarello, St. Louis, and so on, will be too much and detrimemtal. Long homerun passes. Teams adjust to that. Staal and Girardi were exploited heavily by LA.

And we may make the back end less mobile?

Good luck with that.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Since you know what Sather won't do, can you save us all the time and tell us exactly what moves he's going to make to improve this team?

Your opinion is not fact.

It's realistic because we have two second-line centers and need a first, and Spezza (a first line center) is available because he asked for a trade and controls where he accepts a trade to (NTC).

31 or not, Spezza is a better player than Stepan likely ever will be.

Stepan likely tops out at 60-65 points. That's a DOWN year for Spezza, who scored 90 points in 68 games at Stepan's current age. And Spezza scored 84 points two seasons ago before he got hurt during the shortened lockout season. And in a total disaster year in Ottawa, he still outscored Stepan this past season.

Spezza isn't 40. He's 31. He gives us a better chance to win The Cup now than Stepan does, and he still likely has another 3-5 years in him.

Some fans just fall in love with their own players and refuse to trade them for anyone who's older. I love Stepan, but I love the Rangers more. Spezza makes us a better team. It's as simple as that. Thankfully, Glen Sather knows this, even if you don't.

until he walks as a UFA right?

 

[Zuccarello Awesome*]

totally different situations.. MSL wanted to go to ONE place. ONE.. Tampa had zero leverage. He was coming here either last deadline or this off season.

And if Spezza wants to come to NY? Then what?

You're pretending you know that Spezza doesn't want to come here, or that he wants to go somewhere else specifically.

If Ottawa had their way, he would've been traded out West (likely to Nashville or Anaheim) already. But he hasn't been traded yet. I wonder why.

If Spezza wants to come here, Sather will get him here. That's my opinion, anyway. We'll see.

 

[Zuccarello Awesome*]

until he walks as a UFA right?

Please explain to me why he would waive his NTC to get traded to a team that he doesn't want to be on.

If he waives his NTC to come here, that means he wants to be here.

If he plans to walk as a UFA, he wouldn't have asked for a trade NOW.

This is obvious stuff, man.

 

[Richter35]

You are talking about an offer sheet, which is different than going to an arbitor.

If a team puts out a huge offer sheet for Brassard, you take the (most likely, without looking it up) 1st round pick.

I'm not, I'm talking about if the arbiter gives brass a lot of money, then what? Usually they split these down the middle so this is probably moot, just playing devils advocate though. I want him to stay, I think he could hold down the 2c role with proper support down the middle (I.e. Dom Moore) on the bottom two lines.

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

Please explain to me why he would waive his NTC to get traded to a team that he doesn't want to be on.

If he waives his NTC to come here, that means he wants to be here.

If he plans to walk as a UFA, he wouldn't have asked for a trade NOW.

This is obvious stuff, man.

Okay, then in that case, Ottawa would have no leverage (meaning Stepan won't be going anywhere).

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Since you know what Sather won't do, can you save us all the time and tell us exactly what moves he's going to make to improve this team?

Your opinion is not fact.

It's realistic because we have two second-line centers and need a first, and Spezza (a first line center) is available because he asked for a trade and controls where he accepts a trade to (NTC).

31 or not, Spezza is a better player than Stepan likely ever will be.

Stepan likely tops out at 60-65 points. That's a DOWN year for Spezza, who scored 90 points in 68 games at Stepan's current age. And Spezza scored 84 points two seasons ago before he got hurt during the shortened lockout season. And in a total disaster year in Ottawa, he still outscored Stepan this past season.

Spezza isn't 40. He's 31. He gives us a better chance to win The Cup now than Stepan does, and he still likely has another 3-5 years in him.

Some fans just fall in love with their own players and refuse to trade them for anyone who's older. I love Stepan, but I love the Rangers more. Spezza makes us a better team. It's as simple as that. Thankfully, Glen Sather knows this, even if you don't.

You are sickeningly oblivious.

Spezza isnt Stepan's age anymore. what he did then is irrelevant. What is relevant is that Stepan is about to enter his prime, and Spezza is coming off serious injuries while being a UFA at the end of next year. Do you not get that were risking giving up at least another 7 years of Stepan's prime for a player who is not even a guarantee to succeed here, let alone stay here past this season.

And, again, no, Stepan is a FAR better player than Brassard. It isn't close. He is an average 1C. Brassard is a 2/3 tweener.

Spezza at his age, with his contract, NTC, and injury issues is not worth Stepan alone. Let me know when you come to terms with this, thanks.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

The Rangers will sign Stastny before they trade for Spezza.