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Speculation: 2014 Offseason - Roster Building / Trade Speculation Thread VI

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Tawnos said:
John Moore would be a top-4 guy in Buffalo. I get what you're saying and it's definitely a valid point. I just think if you're going to bring a guy in, you should put him in the spot that he's most effective.

And I still stand by the idea that Staal-Ehrhoff is a better pair than Staal-Stralman or Ehrhoff-Stralman.
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I agree, I don't mind the idea of Staal-Ehrhoff, I think they'd be a great pairing. I am just worried about paying Staal 5.5-6 million next off-season and know they need offensive help. Both Stralman and Ehrhoff should be less expensive, skate better and have a better feel for moving the puck.

I, in no way, want to move Staal. But considering the options, that is the play I'd make. Try as hard as possible to sign both Stralman and Ehrhoff and then move Staal to help add elsewhere.
 
NYR Viper said:
This is what I'd like to see:

Signings:

D. Moore - 3 years @ 1.75 million
Stralman - 6 years @ 4.3 million
Ehrhoff - 5 years @ 4.5 million
Carcillo - 1 years @ 750k
Gibbons -2 years @ 800k

Brassard - 3 years @ 4.4 million
MZA - 4 years @ 4.1 million
Kreider - 2 years @ 2.15 million
J. Moore - 2 years @ 1.3 million


Trades:
To TOR:
Marc Staal

To NYR:
Nazem Kadri + 2nd '15
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I'm glad we had a lot of the same ideas. The contracts look good too, and maybe we can save some money on some too. If push comes to shove, could always move Klein to sub in Allen on the third pairing, but overall, I'm really hoping this is the team we can ice next year.
 
Tawnos said:
John Moore would be a top-4 guy in Buffalo. I get what you're saying and it's definitely a valid point. I just think if you're going to bring a guy in, you should put him in the spot that he's most effective.

And I still stand by the idea that Staal-Ehrhoff is a better pair than Staal-Stralman or Ehrhoff-Stralman.
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I totally agree with this and one of the reasons many UFAs in the past hadn't worked out for the Rangers is they came in and were not put into the same situation they were in that caused the Rangers to want to sign him. My favorite example was Kovalev. He came back to play the left wing and forward on the PP, when he was successful in PITT on the right wing and on the point. He was lost. Bobby Holik comes in and kills penalties, something he didn't do on the Devils. Same with Gomez. Thought this would be a basic concept.
 
NYR Viper said:
I agree, I don't mind the idea of Staal-Ehrhoff, I think they'd be a great pairing. I am just worried about paying Staal 5.5-6 million next off-season and know they need offensive help. Both Stralman and Ehrhoff should be less expensive, skate better and have a better feel for moving the puck.

I, in no way, want to move Staal. But considering the options, that is the play I'd make. Try as hard as possible to sign both Stralman and Ehrhoff and then move Staal to help add elsewhere.
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I'm not worried about paying Staal those numbers. In fact, I think it'd be preferable to pay Staal at those numbers and keep the forwards on controllable deals as long as possible. After next season, Kadri is looking for his 3rd deal. If he continues to put up the numbers he is, you're looking at either a short term deal around $4-4.5m or a long-term deal for more. Kadri's got 3 more seasons at controllable cost. If you allow Miller or Lindberg to grow into that role, you're looking at players with 5 or 6 more seasons of controllable cost.

Now, would I be really upset if your play ended up being what happened? Not really, no. There's just more to it, in my mind, than what happens next season or the season after.
 
Tawnos said:
I'm not worried about paying Staal those numbers. In fact, I think it'd be preferable to pay Staal at those numbers and keep the forwards on controllable deals as long as possible. After next season, Kadri is looking for his 3rd deal. If he continues to put up the numbers he is, you're looking at either a short term deal around $4-4.5m or a long-term deal for more. Kadri's got 3 more seasons at controllable cost. If you allow Miller or Lindberg to grow into that role, you're looking at players with 5 or 6 more seasons of controllable cost.

Now, would I be really upset if your play ended up being what happened? Not really, no. There's just more to it, in my mind, than what happens next season or the season after.
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I just feel the Rangers need another offensive center in order to truly compete. I can't think of another way to grab one without trading for one or overpaying via UFA and those guys who reach UFA, are rarely the upper echelon guys.

I wouldn't be angry if they decided to keep Staal. But if that is the case, then re-sign him this off-season. If he won't time to maximize his value.
 
With each passing day, I think it's more and more obvious the plan is to go into the season with:

Stepan
Brassard
Miller/Lindberg (But most likely Miller, hopefully it's a good battle in camp)

And that horrifies me. I think they give Miller 10 or so games to see if he can hang, and if not they make some sort of creative trade to sure up the center-depth.

As we see, though, you need to be able to rely on your ELC players to be a productive part of your lineup. The cap is tight this year, the Rangers are tightening up. Miller will be 3C.

*cue Darth Vader "NOOOOOOOOO"*

On the Boyle front, unless it's a bonus-laden one-year deal, I don't see why we're kicking the tires on him and not just re-upping Stralman, but whatever. He'd be another mistake of a FA on Sather's growing list of FA mistakes.

Just give me the fourth line I want, dammit!

Skille - Moore - Maholtra.

I want it.
 
Larry Brooks ‏@NYP_Brooksie 17s
Told that Islanders have been looking into Del Zotto, whose rights will either be dealt today by Nashville or who will not be qualified.
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Wow, what one season will do to a player's value.
 
silverfish said:
With each passing day, I think it's more and more obvious the plan is to go into the season with:

Stepan
Brassard
Miller/Lindberg (But most likely Miller, hopefully it's a good battle in camp)

And that horrifies me. I think they give Miller 10 or so games to see if he can hang, and if not they make some sort of creative trade to sure up the center-depth.

As we see, though, you need to be able to rely on your ELC players to be a productive part of your lineup. The cap is tight this year, the Rangers are tightening up. Miller will be 3C.

*cue Darth Vader "NOOOOOOOOO"*

On the Boyle front, unless it's a bonus-laden one-year deal, I don't see why we're kicking the tires on him and not just re-upping Stralman, but whatever. He'd be another mistake of a FA on Sather's growing list of FA mistakes.

Just give me the fourth line I want, dammit!

Skille - Moore - Maholtra.

I want it.
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I'd be okay with that 4th line, although I don't really see what Skille provides that someone like Carcillo doesn't. I worry about not having ANYONE on the roster who can drop the gloves. I understand it's not a necessity to have everyone be able to do it, but good God, no one? What is John Moore going to be the resident enforcer?
 
silverfish said:
Klein for Del Zotto was a mistake! :sarcasm:

Would make sense for the Isles, though. He and JT are good friends. Maybe they revive his game? #Optimism
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I thought he and Stamkos were friends? Or was a three-way friendship?

If I was the Islanders, I would just let him go UFA and then try and sign him.
 
del Zotto not qualified...but...he's so much better than Klein! Him and Moore were dominant on the ice! What a terrible trade. Maybe we can sign DZ and flip Klein for a 7th. :sarcasm:
 
As I made mention while he was here, MDZ looked tolerable in NY only because we force-fed him 4 minutes of PP time a game which kept his offensive numbers at an acceptable level, and paired him with a competent defenseman.

Any time he lost PP time or was paired with a guy like Moore or Gilroy, it was game over.
 
The acquisition of Moore really screwed Del Zotto. If they had asked for, and gotten, David Savard in that deal, Del Zotto would still be a Ranger today. Whether that's a good thing or not, I don't know, but he certainly became the odd man out when it was apparent he couldn't play the right side effectively.
 
It's not Miller on the 3rd line that terrifies me. It's Brassard on the 2nd line.

It throws off the balance, and it will likely mean that not only he is in over his head, but will force Miller's line to be even more productive... meaning Miller will probably have to play over his head over the course of the season rather than being eased into the fire.

A worse 2nd line means that the 3rd line needs to pick up the slack, as evidenced by this season's Rangers squad. There's only so much you can rely on a rookie to do during an 82 game season. Can he center the 3rd line and be effective? Absolutely... but for that you need a more reliable 2nd line center.
 
Tawnos said:
The acquisition of Moore really screwed Del Zotto. If they had asked for, and gotten, David Savard in that deal, Del Zotto would still be a Ranger today. Whether that's a good thing or not, I don't know, but he certainly became the odd man out when it was apparent he couldn't play the right side effectively.
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To Del Zotto's credit, he couldn't play the left side effectively, either.
 
NYR Viper said:
I just feel the Rangers need another offensive center in order to truly compete. I can't think of another way to grab one without trading for one or overpaying via UFA and those guys who reach UFA, are rarely the upper echelon guys.

I wouldn't be angry if they decided to keep Staal. But if that is the case, then re-sign him this off-season. If he won't time to maximize his value.
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It's not just the centerman, it's a way to score more goals, and find big-time goal scoring. Maybe that comes from an incoming centerman. Maybe it's an improved PP. Maybe a few guys step it up from last season, like Nash plays 10 more games in the regular season, Stepan and Kreider score a few more goals, etc. You need to set a goals per game average/season goal total and see how you'll get there, and deal with the unknowns. Having said all that, yea, it feels as though this team needs to find more scoring.
 
Tawnos said:
The acquisition of Moore really screwed Del Zotto. If they had asked for, and gotten, David Savard in that deal, Del Zotto would still be a Ranger today. Whether that's a good thing or not, I don't know, but he certainly became the odd man out when it was apparent he couldn't play the right side effectively.
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Eh, I dunno. Del Zotto seems like a bit of a flake. I think his days were numbered here regardless.
 
DelZotto looked very good here when he was getting Top-4 minutes on the left side. He just couldn't seem to keep focus with lesser minutes. Some team with crap defensive depth is going to get a good player for pennies on the dollar.

Everyone remembers his brain farts, and his time here had certainly run it's course, but he was awesome when Staal went down.
 
If Stralman goes, replacing him with Ehrohoff who had two of the best offensive seasons of his career under AV is a no brainer. He could even come cheaper than Stralman too..
 
Bleed Ranger Blue said:
Its beyond hilarious how you'll trash a guy that had some very very good stretches of play here, and sing the praises of guys that've never sniffed consistent NHL time.
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I was one of the biggest Del Zotto defenders on this board. However, to say he had some very, very good stretches of play and not follow it up with the fact that he also had some very, very bad streches of play, isn't really giving the entire picture.
 
Bleed Ranger Blue said:
Its beyond hilarious how you'll trash a guy that had some very very good stretches of play here, and sing the praises of guys that've never sniffed consistent NHL time.
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I was never high on Del Zotto as a prospect or a player, even after his scorching start in his rookie campaign.
 
Bleed Ranger Blue said:
Eh, I dunno. Del Zotto seems like a bit of a flake. I think his days were numbered here regardless.
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Very possibly. And it always begs the question on why the Rangers opted for Moore over Savard when they were already pretty flush on the left side and weak on the right. I'm not sure that's a trade you make if you're truly confident about MDZ.
 
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