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It's absolutely insane to think free agency is just a day away. It feels like this year just flew by. It feels strange not having to wait a month+ for free agency.
Speculation: 2014 Offseason - Roster Building / Trade Speculation Thread VI
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Zil
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Plus minus is such a terrible, meaningless stat, especially given what team Ehrhoff was playing for. He's played the right side plenty and is basically the only decent substitute for Stralman on the market, should they lose him. I'd rather sign both and deal Staal though.
I feel the opposite. Losing in the Final plus a completely unsettled roster makes for a wait that's driving me crazy.
Plus minus on the worst team ever assembled is the most useless stat you can pull. Check out his advanced stats and you'll be blown away by how good a year he had on that team. He made every player on the team better when he was on the ice (except one rookie...which is weird) and not just by a little in most cases.
Tyler myers corsi number went from 52.5 with him down to 43.7 without him, that's astounding.
Here's a chart someone whipped up of the Ehrhoff effect on players when he was on the ice with them:
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/483463972708814848
https://twitter.com/CraigCustance/status/483464809615085569
TB is in position to pay for a free agent defenseman.
Ehrhoff will have no shortage of suitors.
Ehrhoff will get paid.
Sign Stralman.
Get more creative. I mentioned Andrej Sekera.
Keep Skjei, Duclair, J.T. Miller, and Lindberg. Move any other prospect for Sekera.
2.75 cap hit for Sekera.
Sign Stralman.
Get more creative. I mentioned Andrej Sekera.
Keep Skjei, Duclair, J.T. Miller, and Lindberg. Move any other prospect for Sekera.
2.75 cap hit for Sekera.
Tawnos
A guy with a bass
Sekera was the Hurricanes best defenseman last year. He was better than Justin Faulk. He's not moving.
He definitely was. I agree.
My thinking is, as a team looking to possibly rebuild, maybe they use his breakout season to add a handful of prospects to their system.
It is a little pipe dream, though.
Tawnos
A guy with a bass
Looking to shed a little salary isn't the same as looking to rebuild. A team that's underachieved for two consecutive seasons is probably looking to play to their level rather than initiate a rebuild. If Francis is smart, the defensive side of the puck is somewhere that he's identified as an opportunity. This is beyond pipe dream status.
If all this Stralman talk is true, the Rangers won't be in the running to sign him.
I am too but I think alot of teams are in on Ehrhoff so he will get paid. Stralman and Boyle. That's the top 3 D and they will get cash. Still want them to do it but not sure if they will
jerseyjinx94
I jinx players.
Darren Dreger @DarrenDreger 5m
Dan Boyle will have multiple offers tomorrow on a 2 yr deal. TB, Tor, Det, NYR and Mtl believed to be his top 5. #TSN
Dan Boyle will have multiple offers tomorrow on a 2 yr deal. TB, Tor, Det, NYR and Mtl believed to be his top 5. #TSN
Mac n Gs
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I'm really hoping Sather bites the bullet and gives Dom Moore the three year deal. It's not like he wants a lot of money, and he'd be the perfect mentor for Oscar Lindberg. Once Lindberg is fully ready, Moore can be swapped for a pick, or moved to wing. There's absolutely no reason to not sign him.
Also, if there's an actual possibility of us getting Ehrhoff, then I think it's time to move Staal for someone like Kadri. Say Staal and a 2nd for Kadri and a first. Run this lineup next season:
Kreider-Step-MSL
Hags-Kadri-Nash
Zucc-Brass-Miller
Lindberg-Moore-Borque
Fast
McD-G
Ehrhoff/Allen-Stralman/Allen
JMoore-Klein/McIlrath
Hank
Talbot
I'm pretty sure it would fit under the cap and we would have the ability to roll 3 #2 centers and Moore who's a solid #3/4C. If Lindberg is kept in the AHL, then replace his spot with Carbomb or Ryan Carter
Also, if there's an actual possibility of us getting Ehrhoff, then I think it's time to move Staal for someone like Kadri. Say Staal and a 2nd for Kadri and a first. Run this lineup next season:
Kreider-Step-MSL
Hags-Kadri-Nash
Zucc-Brass-Miller
Lindberg-Moore-Borque
Fast
McD-G
Ehrhoff/Allen-Stralman/Allen
JMoore-Klein/McIlrath
Hank
Talbot
I'm pretty sure it would fit under the cap and we would have the ability to roll 3 #2 centers and Moore who's a solid #3/4C. If Lindberg is kept in the AHL, then replace his spot with Carbomb or Ryan Carter
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Tawnos
A guy with a bass
It's pretty hard to tell sometimes if the Rangers really are connected to a player on any firm level or if writers throw their name out there because the Rangers are involved in almost every rumor.
I know the team had a discussion with him. Don't know how serious the connection is.
But anyway... just a little rant.
NYR Viper
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It's real easy to speculate. Of course they'd reach out and everyone knows the PP point for the Rangers is a weakness, although perhaps not the exact cause of the PP's problems, so it's easy to speculate that they will be in the running. Nobody has stated how the Rangers are thinking about affording Boyle, so it's clear that no beat writer has complete knowledge and they are just throwing that out, meaning, if they truly knew the Rangers' intentions, they'd know the rest of the plan, as in who else they're targeting, salaries to shed, etc.
NYR Viper
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This is what I'd like to see:
Signings:
D. Moore - 3 years @ 1.75 million
Stralman - 6 years @ 4.3 million
Ehrhoff - 5 years @ 4.5 million
Carcillo - 1 years @ 750k
Gibbons -2 years @ 800k
Brassard - 3 years @ 4.4 million
MZA - 4 years @ 4.1 million
Kreider - 2 years @ 2.15 million
J. Moore - 2 years @ 1.3 million
Trades:
To TOR:
Marc Staal
To NYR:
Nazem Kadri + 2nd '15
That's the kind of turnover and balance you shoot for while trying to fit in a tight cap. can't really fully comment on each player, and their respective costs, but you keep much of a core, on offense and defense, and fill in a few holes. Would hate losing Staal, personally, but you can't keep everyone.
NYR Viper
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I'd hate to see him go as well, but they need another creative center and I think Stralman and Ehrhoff fit this system to a 't'. Skate well, defend well, move the puck well.
Boyle will get 2 years for $10 million to $11 million. The Rangers would prefer 1 year with performance bonuses which could be rolled into the 15-16 cap. Boyle is eligible for a 1 year contract with bonuses. Rolling money into the following season cap is dangerous. Look at Boston. Robbing Peter to pay Paul. Boyle wants longer than just one year. San Jose offered 1 year.
Tawnos
A guy with a bass
Here's something I'd like to point out.
Just because a guy can play both sides doesn't mean his effectiveness is the same on both sides. Ehrhoff's best seasons were when he played primarily on the right. I'm not too sure about bringing someone in with Ehrhoff's expectations (which would be of a 2nd pair D) and then immediately reducing his effectiveness by playing him at his weaker position.
To me, you either sign Stralman or you sign Ehrhoff. The thought of doing both makes me somewhat wary.
Just because a guy can play both sides doesn't mean his effectiveness is the same on both sides. Ehrhoff's best seasons were when he played primarily on the right. I'm not too sure about bringing someone in with Ehrhoff's expectations (which would be of a 2nd pair D) and then immediately reducing his effectiveness by playing him at his weaker position.
To me, you either sign Stralman or you sign Ehrhoff. The thought of doing both makes me somewhat wary.
NYR Viper
Registered User
Ew on 2 years. Absolutely no thanks
He played LD in Buffalo and was still easily a top-4 guy. He wouldn't be pulling the toughest match-ups on this team like he was in Buffalo. I really think that's why some of his numbers dropped, he was always defending.
From all I've read D Boyle is interested in the Rangers but I can't remember having seen anything that says they've talked with his people. I could be wrong though.
Ail
Based and Rangerspilled.
Tawnos
A guy with a bass
John Moore would be a top-4 guy in Buffalo. I get what you're saying and it's definitely a valid point. I just think if you're going to bring a guy in, you should put him in the spot that he's most effective.
And I still stand by the idea that Staal-Ehrhoff is a better pair than Staal-Stralman or Ehrhoff-Stralman.
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