Speculation: 2014 Offseason - Roster Building / Trade Speculation Thread V

[GAGLine]

Garrison wouldn't be a bad move at all. If he maintains his level of play, that contract is a steal in a couple years when second-pairing d-men are getting 6mil/per.

Woohoo someone agrees with me!!!

Oh wait, it's you.

Just kidding

 

[BlueshirtBlitz]

Apparently, Pacioretty might be available. Considering that everyone is always talking about ways to acquire Evander Kane, why aren't we all over this? Elite winger on a fantastic contract. He is basically a very slightly worse version of Nash on a much better deal.

Staal + Hagelin for MaxPac?

I try to get a 3rd or 4th from MTL if you add Hags, but Patches is the man.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Paccioretty over E. Kane every ******* day. I'd love to pick him up.

 

[Zuccarello Awesome*]

The only thing Nick Leddy has proven is that he's able to handle playing sheltered minutes against subpar opponents. Trading a potentially cheap future contract for a meh guy who's reputation will likely get him paid more is not how you win in a cap league.

Worry about that then.

Would you rather have scenario A or B:

A) Staal (3.9 this year) either walks for nothing next season or is re-signed for ~6mil per season.

B) Leddy (2.7 this year, which is less than our 3rd pairing D Kevin Klein) is a RFA who can't walk for nothing and can either be locked up long-term if he fits in here, or traded, or taken to arbitration.

Scenario B has a lot more positive options/outcomes.

Not to mention Staal has likely played his best hockey already, while Leddy at 23 still has room to grow and develop as a defenseman, and already provides more offense than Staal by a wide margin.

The only thing Staal has on Leddy is that he's better defensively.

Cap-hit? Leddy
Offense? Leddy
Defense? Staal
Age? Leddy
RFA vs UFA: Leddy


Do I really need to go on?

Take the blinders off, please.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Paccioretty over E. Kane every ******* day. I'd love to pick him up.

Same, although I dont know why in the world he'd be available.

 

[BlueshirtBlitz]

Worry about that then.

Would you rather have scenario A or B:

A) Staal (3.9 this year) either walks for nothing next season or is re-signed for ~6mil per season.

B) Leddy (2.7 this year, which is less than our 3rd pairing D Kevin Klein) is a RFA who can't walk for nothing and can either be locked up long-term if he fits in here, or traded, or taken to arbitration.

Scenario B has a lot more positive options/outcomes.

Not to mention Staal has likely played his best hockey already, while Leddy at 23 still has room to grow and develop as a defenseman, and already provides more offense than Staal by a wide margin.

The only thing Staal has on Leddy is that he's better defensively.

Cap-hit? Leddy
Offense? Leddy
Defense? Staal
Age? Leddy
RFA vs UFA: Leddy


Do I really need to go on?

Take the blinders off, please.

If Leddy went up against the competition Staal does he'd be eviscerated. What is stopping you from understanding that? Doesn't matter if he put up 30 points (he wouldn't on the Rangers) if his opponents rack up 60 while he's on the ice.

If you're gonna replace Staal, you need to replace him with somebody good. Not Nick Leddy.

Also Kevin Klein isn't very good either. If our middle pairing was Leddy-Klein we'd be in a very bad position.

 

[haveandare]

The idea as I am perceiving it, based on them signing exactly no one to this point, it is to save cap space for shopping on Tuesday.

I think that is a mistake, if my perception of what they are likely to do, which is based on what they have done in previous off-seasons, is remotely accurate.

I perceive it to be more the issue of being the team that lost the finals. A lot of our players got a lot of attention. For many of them, they're likely worth more now than they ever will be in the NHL again. They want to see what they're worth in the open, and the team doesn't have the "we just won, stick around and win more" chip that the Kings do in order to try to lock them down first.

I hope that's the issue at least. I admit that I see the potential of your perceived situation being reality. I really hope it's not, though.

 

[Zuccarello Awesome*]

Leddy isn't a top-4 defenseman.

Why should any NHL prospect be considered to have more upside than an NHLer? Its called a projection.

Leddy is only 3 years older than Skjei, and is about to play his 5th NHL season vs Skjei not having sniffed the AMERICAN hockey league yet.

Leddy is still developing and improving at a mere 23.

So a mediocre prospect gets the "upside" benefit of the doubt, but a 23 year old who's already proven that at WORST he's a capable two-way defenseman on a Stanley Cup winning team doesn't get that "upside" argument?

Gotcha. My work is done here.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Apparently, Pacioretty might be available. Considering that everyone is always talking about ways to acquire Evander Kane, why aren't we all over this? Elite winger on a fantastic contract. He is basically a very slightly worse version of Nash on a much better deal.

Staal + Hagelin for MaxPac?

In a second.

Staal's cap hit is 3.975 mil. What's it going to be a year from now? Or will he ask for too much and sign somewhere else?

Maybe we can squeeze a prospect out of them or a conditional pick in 2016.

One way or another, we are going to need to deal with Staal, and I'd like to avoid what we went through this year with Girardi and Cally.

I don't know. Garrison is solid, but if we're doing a defense swap with Vancouver, I'd prefer Edler.

Same, although I dont know why in the world he'd be available.

No one thought Seguin would be available last season. No one knew Hartnell was on the block either. There's always things behind the scenes going on that the typical fan doesn't catch onto.

 

[Inferno]

i know i'll get killed for this, but if we decide to go the JT Miller route for our 3rd line center, i'd send a camp invite to Scott Gomez. For a 3rd line center, he can still skate, used to be a great passer, and at the very least will create competition for JT and be a backup plan if hes not ready.

 

[BlueshirtBlitz]

i know i'll get killed for this, but if we decide to go the JT Miller route for our 3rd line center, i'd send a camp invite to Scott Gomez. For a 3rd line center, he can still skate, used to be a great passer, and at the very least will create competition for JT and be a backup plan if hes not ready.

This is the worst post i've seen you make since I started posting here .

 

[Zuccarello Awesome*]

If Leddy went up against the competition Staal does he'd be eviscerated. What is stopping you from understanding that? Doesn't matter if he put up 30 points (he wouldn't on the Rangers) if his opponents rack up 60 while he's on the ice.

If you're gonna replace Staal, you need to replace him with somebody good. Not Nick Leddy.

Also Kevin Klein isn't very good either. If our middle pairing was Leddy-Klein we'd be in a very bad position.

It's merely your opinion that Leddy would be eviscerated against Staal's competition (which btw is sheltered behind McDonagh).

And Leddy-Klein was never suggested. Leddy-Stralman was. I haven't seen anyone advocating both trading Staal AND letting Stralman walk...

 

[I Eat Crow]

I would throw 7 years, 25 million at Stralman. When the cap is close to 90 million in 5 years, the contract won't be an issue. Competent bottom pairing NHL defenseman will be making that in 5 years.

Scott Gomez would be something. Can skate and still PK, right?

 

[GAGLine]

Leddy is only 3 years older than Skjei, and is about to play his 5th NHL season vs Skjei not having sniffed the AMERICAN hockey league yet.

Maybe because Skjei chose to go to college? Silly argument.

 

[Ail]

i know i'll get killed for this, but if we decide to go the JT Miller route for our 3rd line center, i'd send a camp invite to Scott Gomez. For a 3rd line center, he can still skate, used to be a great passer, and at the very least will create competition for JT and be a backup plan if hes not ready.

RIP in peaces.

Also, dammit no!

 

[Thirty One]

This is the worst post i've seen you make since I started posting here .

Were you here for the Renney days?

 

[GAGLine]

i know i'll get killed for this, but if we decide to go the JT Miller route for our 3rd line center, i'd send a camp invite to Scott Gomez. For a 3rd line center, he can still skate, used to be a great passer, and at the very least will create competition for JT and be a backup plan if hes not ready.

Or we can see how Miller does and pick up someone at the deadline if Miller doesn't work out. I'm sure Gomez will still be available.

 

[Inferno]

again, just as a camp invite.

i HATE the idea of handing spots to kids. it almost never works out and you rush to find someone at the last mine and theres never anyone good left at that time.

 

[Fitzy]

Dominic Moore is a better 2 way center right now than Gomez is.

 

[Inferno]

Or we can see how Miller does and pick up someone at the deadline if Miller doesn't work out. I'm sure Gomez will still be available.

yeah the problem is the deadline is like 3/4 of the way through the season, at that point youve likely got injuries, and miller has had 3/4ths of a season to screw up and kill the team.

 

[pld459666]

Let us say they do go with these rookies,

Allen plays the left side although he is a righty shot as far as I have read. Where does he fit or are they just going to move him over to play with Moore and hope for the best? Or move Moore over to accommodate Allen? Regardless how does that pair look?

Miller, at center, playing a defensively responsible game? Or on wing where he has not shown much of any progress?

Fast on RW, behind MSL, Nash and Zucc? Or or they going to move someone over like they tried with Gaborik?

Lindberg at center, on the 4th line, without Boyle, who fills that line out to make it any sort of NHL line? Are they bringing back D Moore? If so why have they not signed him yet?

To me that looks more like we are out of options and not so much like a planned roster.

On top of that when was the last time the Rangers went into a season without scraping the cap ceiling? Is this a new philosophy?

Not trying to be a jerk or anything but I do not have anything to go by except what the Rangers have done in previous off-seasons, bringing in Halpern, Frolov, Kotalik and such to replace lost depth seems much more likely. If that's the case, just resigning their own free agents even if they have to pay a little more than they like makes far more sense.

assuming Stralman walks, I would keep Klein with Moore for protection purposes.

McD - Girardi
Staal - Allen
Moore - Klein

Miller I would ask to fill in for Poo on Brassard/Zuccs line. Work with him to understand what is required from him, limit the amount of thinking he does or needs to do. During the early portion of this season Poo looked like poop playing there. Eventually he got it just like I think if given the proper time and instruction, Miller would also get it.

Kreider - Stepan - Nash
Hagelin - ?????? - MSL
Miller - Brassard - Zuccarello

Fast is a very responsible player defensively and again, it's all about coaching and providing the instruction needed to get players to understand roles and responsibilities.

I am a big believer in encouraging players to play their off wing. Not every player, and not every situation but having a righty shooting LW'er is not a bad thing.

Fast - Lindberg - Dorsett I think could work on the 4th line. I think they are more then capable defensively, but I think the benefit here is the speed of that line to be quicker to the puck and quicker out of the defensive zone.

I think the biggest key would be Lindberg being as good as Boyle on draws.

We will never know if these guys are NHL players if they are not given NHL opportunities. We do not have those guys that dominate the AHL to the point where you say we HAVE to bring them up.

AV plays a speed game, if we are not going the UFA route then these kids are going to be more beneficial to the Rangers in the long run than the guys are that we are discussing.

Miller can skate, Fast can skate, Lindberg can skate, Allen can skate.

Again, there will be learning curves. ****, we had vets on this team that just went through a slew of curves early in the 2013-14 season. We need to find out what we have and we are not going to do that in 6-7 pre-season games.

As for the last part, those moves did absolutely nothing for us. They were faded players that took up space and valuable developmental time from younger guys that would have benefitted a great deal from those spots.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

You do realize you arbitrarily ANNOINTED Skjei as "Staal's replacement."

Especially when their games are complete opposites.

Skjei is like Leddy/Moore/Muzzin/etc basically poor mans Duncan Keith's / Ryan McDonagh's.

Nobody touts Skjei as having this top notch upside except Rangers fans. I've watched him play in person, not just YouTube.

IMO, he'll be lucky to turn into Leddy but he does have he skating going for him so it's possible.

But refusing to upgrade your team because you won't part with a prospect who is by all accounts still more than a year away AT LEAST, and may never play a single NHL game is madness.

Thankfully, Sather would never operate like that. This team is in WIN NOW mode. Brady friggin Skjei isn't holding up ANY deal to improve this team.

Just wondering where you're getting this ceiling projection about Skjei from? Chances are that you do not go to UMinn and are able to watch him on an extended period. How are you appraising his value?

 

[GAGLine]

I don't know. Garrison is solid, but if we're doing a defense swap with Vancouver, I'd prefer Edler.

Can't argue with that, but I don't think Staal with 1 year left gets us Edler.

 

[Inferno]

Were you here for the Renney days?

Torts>Renney

AINEC

 

[GAGLine]

yeah the problem is the deadline is like 3/4 of the way through the season, at that point youve likely got injuries, and miller has had 3/4ths of a season to screw up and kill the team.

Or figure it out and start contributing. And there's nothing to say we can make a deal before the deadline. I just don't see it as a priority. It's not even like it's Miller or bust because we also have Lindberg.