Speculation: 2014 Offseason - Roster Building / Trade Speculation Thread V

[Thirty One]

Garrison is supposedly available. Staal for Garrison? His cap hit is 4.6 mil for the next 4 years and he can maybe help our PP.

Sweet baby Jesus, no.

 

[Raspewtin]

Leddy is a train wreck in his own end. Even worse than Moore.

Yeah, I don't see any top 4 upside.

He actually has the lowest QoC in the league.

 

[Raspewtin]

Google 'hyperbole'

The point was that there's a YouTube video that every Haggerty-pencil-inner on here has viewed in which he scores goals from the left side (ala Stamkos) against BOYS (ages 17-22).

The point is that he's done nothing to prove he can play with, let alone SCORE against men. Not to mention, 70% of those goals don't go in against NHL goaltenders.

So to pencil him into the lineup and post about him getting PP time and improving our PP are ridiculous, especially when the same people value an unknown C-level prospect over a 23 year old who has proved he can play in the NHL and provide offense from the blue line consistently whose cap-hit is LESS THAN KEVIN KLEIN'S!!

I rest my case!

So according to this post, we should not have any opinion on any prospect because they aren't scoring against NHL players at the age of 21. Okay.

 

[Machinehead]

Garrison is supposedly available. Staal for Garrison? His cap hit is 4.6 mil for the next 4 years and he can maybe help our PP.

I think what our PP needs to improve is to avoid these quick solutions and instill a team aspect.

Garrison will become "that guy" that they pass to on every play whether he has a look or not, just like Richards was, just like Redden was, just like McCabe and Kalinin were for brief times.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Ignoring the question and giving that type of response implies that you really didn't. That's not a very confident response. Still waiting to hear what Skjei has done to warrant having more upside than 23 y/o Nick Leddy who was already in the NHL at the age Skjei is now and nowhere close to sniffing the NHL.

I'm not responding to it because the "OMG YOU DONT WATCH HIM PLAY" "argument" is juvenile and a cop out. I've seen plenty of the Hawks over the last few years. Leddy is a decent young player, but he really isn't anything that special. Why else would a team who is up against the cap be shopping their cheap, young defenseman?

You said that people "overvalue our own", but I see people overrating other team's players and underrating ours more than anything.

 

[Zuccarello Awesome*]

The Kings were in win-now mode, still put two rookies in their top 6 this year, and won another Stanley Cup.

I'm not sure that was their 2nd line outright.

Seemed more like 2a and 2b, but either way, there's nothing wrong with putting rookies who are NHL-ready into your lineup.

Pearson and Toffoli not only dominated the AHL, but they played together doing so.

It's quite different than pencilling in Ryan Haggerty who has never played against anyone older than 23

 

[GAGLine]

I think what our PP needs to improve is to avoid these quick solutions and instill a team aspect.

Garrison will become "that guy" that they pass to on every play whether he has a look or not, just like Richards was, just like Redden was, just like McCabe and Kalinin were for brief times.

It isn't just about the PP. Garrison is a top 4 defender. A couple years older and not quite to Staal's level, but he can add some offense and it means we don't have pay Staal 6 mi per year next year or watch him walk. Let Van add a conditional pick based on Staal re-signing.

Speaking of the PP though, Garrison and McD on the back end might work pretty well.

 

[Zuccarello Awesome*]

So according to this post, we should not have any opinion on any prospect because they aren't scoring against NHL players at the age of 21. Okay.

No, you shouldn't pencil them into a NHL lineup. Read the post.

 

[GAGLine]

Sweet baby Jesus, no.

Why not?

And don't call me Sweet baby Jesus. It's creepy.

 

[Off Sides]

Am I the only one who expects to see the Rangers sign something similar to Dan Boyle and Brenden Morrow to plus 35 contracts with bonus money differed til next off-season?

Maybe it's just me but I have a bad feeling when the Rangers go into UFA signing period with cap space and only rookies to fill some spots vacated by their own free agents.

 

[Thirty One]

Why not?

And don't call me Sweet baby Jesus. It's creepy.

I like Garrison as a player, but at $4.6 I'm not giving up Staal.

 

[Ail]

Why not?

And don't call me Sweet baby Jesus. It's creepy.

I think it was more an appeal to the mythical creature, "sweet baby Jesus."

 

[pld459666]

Leddy does not have Skjei's upside. He's more comparable to John Moore.

That deal would be a disaster. No need to move Skjei in it

Moore could only dream to be as good as Leddy is.

2 30+ point seasons.

would have been three if the 12-13 season was 82 games.

Not advocating the trade, but Leddy would be a HUGE improvement over John Moore

 

[Thirty One]

Am I the only one who expects to see the Rangers sign something similar to Dan Boyle and Brenden Morrow to plus 35 contracts with bonus money differed til next off-season?

Maybe it's just me but I have a bad feeling when the Rangers go into UFA signing period with cap space and only rookies to fill some spots vacated by their own free agents.

I sounds like Boyle will get a multi-year deal and Morrow is icky.

 

[GAGLine]

I think it was more an appeal to the mythical creature, "sweet baby Jesus."

 

[Blue Blooded]

Apparently, Pacioretty might be available. Considering that everyone is always talking about ways to acquire Evander Kane, why aren't we all over this? Elite winger on a fantastic contract. He is basically a very slightly worse version of Nash on a much better deal.

Staal + Hagelin for MaxPac?

 

[Off Sides]

I sounds like Boyle will get a multi-year deal and Morrow is icky.

So Robidas and Cleary it is

 

[BlueshirtBlitz]

Moore could only dream to be as good as Leddy is.

2 30+ point seasons.

would have been three if the 12-13 season was 82 games.

Not advocating the trade, but Leddy would be a HUGE improvement over John Moore

I don't think John Moore is a good hockey player.

However, Leddy somehow goes up against weaker competition than he does and barely does better. Leddy had 30 points playing with the offensively stacked Hawks. Moore had 15 playing with the Rangers.

Put Moore on the Hawks and shelter his minutes like Leddy and he's putting up 30 points, too.

 

[Zuccarello Awesome*]

I'm not responding to it because the "OMG YOU DONT WATCH HIM PLAY" "argument" is juvenile and a cop out. I've seen plenty of the Hawks over the last few years. Leddy is a decent young player, but he really isn't anything that special. Why else would a team who is up against the cap be shopping their cheap, young defenseman?

You said that people "overvalue our own", but I see people overrating other team's players and underrating ours more than anything.

You nitpicked one sentence and ignored the rest.

You've ignored my question twice now.

What has Skjei done to warrant the claim that he has this magical upside that is more than Leddy's?

Leddy is what Skjei wishes to be. At Skjei's age now, Leddy was starting his NHL career. By all accounts, Skjei is still years away. It's absurd to compare two very similar skillsets and choose the unproven one who may never play a single NHL game over the sure thing, PROVEN 23 year old top-4 D whose "train wreck" defense helped Chicago win the Cup a season ago.

I'm open to other points of view, but you've gotta give me some actual substance.

 

[GAGLine]

I like Garrison as a player, but at $4.6 I'm not giving up Staal.

Staal's cap hit is 3.975 mil. What's it going to be a year from now? Or will he ask for too much and sign somewhere else?

Maybe we can squeeze a prospect out of them or a conditional pick in 2016.

One way or another, we are going to need to deal with Staal, and I'd like to avoid what we went through this year with Girardi and Cally.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Well, I only blow sunshine out of 4 of their *****. And the rest I have to temper the negativity that is omnipresent on this board by those who have a tendency to talk out of their ass about things they have no idea about.

Miller - Yes
Kreider - Yes
Kristo - Yes, although needs most work and right situation.
Allen - Yes
Lindberg - 4th line expectation
McIlrath - Years before he becomes what everyone wants to see. But "bust"? No.
Fast - he is what he is. Defensively responsible spare forward that could probably benefit from offensive players.

So, thats still 7 NHL'ers in the group.

See why its tough to take you seriously?

 

[BlueshirtBlitz]

You nitpicked one sentence and ignored the rest.

You've ignored my question twice now.

What has Skjei done to warrant the claim that he has this magical upside that is more than Leddy's?

Leddy is what Skjei wishes to be. At Skjei's age now, Leddy was starting his NHL career. By all accounts, Skjei is still years away. It's absurd to compare two very similar skillsets and choose the unproven one who may never play a single NHL game over the sure thing, PROVEN 23 year old top-4 D whose "train wreck" defense helped Chicago win the Cup a season ago.

I'm open to other points of view, but you've gotta give me some actual substance.

The only thing Nick Leddy has proven is that he's able to handle playing sheltered minutes against subpar opponents. Trading a potentially cheap future contract for a meh guy who's reputation will likely get him paid more is not how you win in a cap league.

 

[Zuccarello Awesome*]

Garrison wouldn't be a bad move at all. If he maintains his level of play, that contract is a steal in a couple years when second-pairing d-men are getting 6mil/per.

 

[Ail]

Apparently, Pacioretty might be available. Considering that everyone is always talking about ways to acquire Evander Kane, why aren't we all over this? Elite winger on a fantastic contract. He is basically a very slightly worse version of Nash on a much better deal.

Staal + Hagelin for MaxPac?

Would definitely replace Pouliot.

Prefer not to trade Hags, but Patches is legit.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

You nitpicked one sentence and ignored the rest.

You've ignored my question twice now.

What has Skjei done to warrant the claim that he has this magical upside that is more than Leddy's?

Leddy is what Skjei wishes to be. At Skjei's age now, Leddy was starting his NHL career. By all accounts, Skjei is still years away. It's absurd to compare two very similar skillsets and choose the unproven one who may never play a single NHL game over the sure thing, PROVEN 23 year old top-4 D whose "train wreck" defense helped Chicago win the Cup a season ago.

I'm open to other points of view, but you've gotta give me some actual substance.

Leddy isn't a top-4 defenseman.

Why should any NHL prospect be considered to have more upside than an NHLer? Its called a projection.