Speculation: 2014 Offseason - Roster Building / Trade Speculation Thread V

[SupersonicMonkey*]

Too bad that doesn't win championships today. You gotta score goals.

Wait, what? Please name a single Stanley Cup winning team that didn't win because of it's defense and goaltending. The Kings have an equal to Lundqvist in net and have just as deep a defense corp.

The difference was the scoring, yes, but the Rangers stripping its strength to, at-best, marginally-improve, if at-all, the scoring, is a recipe for disaster.

Who is scoring all those goals, and how are we affording it both in assets and under the cap?

Sign Stralman, find a scorer before the trade deadline.

Or better yet, i don't understand why Sather and Co. can't do both at the same time before July, 1. Why is it, that this front office seems to be one of the only groups that can't multitask.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

That's still not getting it done.. but I'd gladly take him.

Then that's no good for the Rangers. Stralman is a decade younger and would command close to $5 million if Mitchell at 37 can get over $3-3.5.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Wait, what? Please name a single Stanley Cup winning team that didn't win because of it's defense and goaltending. The Kings have an equal to Lundqvist in net and have just as deep a defense corp.

The difference was the scoring, yes, but the Rangers stripping its strength to, at-best, marginally-improve, if at-all, the scoring, is a recipe for disaster.

Who is scoring all those goals, and how are we affording it both in assets and under the cap?

Sign Stralman, find a scorer before the trade deadline.

So we want to lock up.. Mcdonagh (4.7), Girardi (4M), Staal (4M right now), Stralman (4M), Klein (2.9M).. + whatever Moore makes (say 1.25M).. you're looking at 20M locked up in a blue line that can't put up points.

or are you trading both Staal and/or Klein?

 

[Fitzy]

I'm on board with signing our UFA's as I have said. An unfortunate alliance with the Corsi metric dogmatists.

Get it done, swallow the pride. You paid 6.5 for Redden on an off year. Keep this team together.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Then that's no good for the Rangers. Stralman is a decade younger and would command close to $5 million if Mitchell at 37 can get over $3-3.5.

That's about what Stralman is going to get.. and people want to pay it.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

I'm on board with signing our UFA's as I have said. An unfortunate alliance with the Corsi metric dogmatists.

Get it done, swallow the pride. You paid 6.5 for Redden on an off year. Keep this team together.

at least 2 of them outta boyle, moore, stralman, poo, etc. We can't lose all our freaking depth.

 

[SupersonicMonkey*]

There is a GM, and how many "assistant" GMs in that office? Gorton and Schoenfeld.

They can't delegate some responsibilities and negotiate contracts and make trades at the same time?

 

[Ail]

I'm on board with signing our UFA's as I have said. An unfortunate alliance with the Corsi metric dogmatists.

Get it done, swallow the pride. You paid 6.5 for Redden on an off year. Keep this team together.

Not really an alliance with advanced stats proponents as much as an alliance with people who believe if you just went to the Finals you should try your best to retain as many of those players as possible.

 

[SupersonicMonkey*]

So we want to lock up.. Mcdonagh (4.7), Girardi (4M), Staal (4M right now), Stralman (4M), Klein (2.9M).. + whatever Moore makes (say 1.25M).. you're looking at 20M locked up in a blue line that can't put up points.

or are you trading both Staal and/or Klein?

I would trade Staal before the trade deadline. Yes.

Again, the guy is not what he used to be. His head injuries and eye injury have aged him quickly. His reaction time isn't the same, he loses pucks in his feet, he loses foot races when he has to turn around and get to the corner or back boards, and he will be commanding at least 6 million annually on his next contract.

Get as much mileage out of him now as I can, trade him before the deadline for scoring depth, multitask and find a LHD that can log about 15 minutes. Mac, G, and Stral would take the brunt of the load while the other 3 i would handle with a little more care, but evenly disperse the minutes.

I'd fill the 4th line with guys like Winnik, Skille, and Dom Moore. Carcillo would be my 13th.

If Pouliot prices himself out, so be it. Find a value replacemet. Pouliot was a value signing. Do it again.

 

[Fitzy]

Not really an alliance with advanced stats proponents as much as an alliance with people who believe if you just went to the Finals you should try your best to retain as many of those players as possible.

That I can get on board with.

Despite the unpredictability of the NHL playoffs. I trust the guys that got us there. Including the unsung heroes Klein, Dorsett, Carcillo, and Moore.

 

[SupersonicMonkey*]

at least 2 of them outta boyle, moore, stralman, poo, etc. We can't lose all our freaking depth.

Stralman and Dominic Moore are the most important pieces, IMO.

I would say Brian Boyle, but he is 100% gone. He wants more minutes, he wants more responsibility, he wants a bigger role. Rangers can't give it to him.

Dominic Moore becomes the most important forward in that group.

And you know my stance on Stralman. He should be priority #1.

Get Stralman and Moore signed, and the other parts can be filled with value.

Winnik, Skille, Ribeiro, Setoguchi...value guys will be out there. Maybe Grabovski is an option.

 

[SupersonicMonkey*]

To clarify what I mean by value guys. Guys who may be outcast elsewhere, maybe won't command a huge salary, but are still good players and could be given specific roles, where they know and understand the role, and don't deviate from the role, and fit within Vigneault's system.

Winnik isn't as good as Brian Boyle, no. But he can bring some of the same qualities and is probably a better skater. Jack Skille isn't a world beater, but he will be looking to redeem himself and he brings size and speed. Winnik (lefty), Skille (righty), could be good fits on Dom Moore's wings. Add size to the bottom of the lineup. Could cause issues for opponents by forechecking hard and pinning the opposition.

Can a cap guru figure out what that would cost if Winnik, Moore, Skille, Carcillo were our 10, 11, 12, 13 forwards.

 

[NYR Viper]

Dominic Moore was the motor on that line. He created the plays. Give him 3 years, front loaded to lower the cap hit. Very tradeable veteran 4th liner.

Faye would be a solid addition. Good number, underrated player. Hopefully his cap hit is reasonable and it gives the Rangers another RD which is hard to find. As long as the contract is in line, that's another free asset.

They need to add a player with size to the top-9.

 

[LundqvistsEvilTwin]

lets run with Diaz stralman was no one before he came to ny 3

 

[NikC]

Losing D.Moore is plain dumb. Establish depth in the bottom six, run 4 lines, sucess....

Blow it all out in the offseason signing unkowns lose chemistry...



Typical Sather.

 

[Chief]

Philly gave Shelley 3 years/$3.3M and they immediately regretted that contract.

Signing Boogard didn't exactly work out for the Rangers, either - and I'm not talking about his death - I'm talking about his season being over after about 20 games due to a concussion.

 

[RangerBoy]

Niskanen, coveted by the Minnesota Wild, is seeking a seven-year contract worth at least $5 million annually. That kind of contract doesn't work for the Penguins.

http://triblive.com/mobile/6332544-96/million-penguins-defensemen

Niskanen will get that contract

Perhaps the biggest buzz item of the weekend was the salary cap, the NHL and NHL Players’ Association announcing Friday that it would be $69 million for next season.

That’s about $1 million less than what most teams had budgeted for, which is no small deal.

For teams like Chicago, Boston, Philadelphia and the New York Rangers, every dime matters when you’re a cap team and having a lower-than-expected cap greatly affects potential moves and certainly the ability to spend.

"Yeah, it affects every team that’s close," Flyers GM Ron Hextall said Saturday. "It affects us for sure. We’ve got to find a way to get below it. It was a little lower than we thought and hoped."

The Blackhawks are trying to find a No. 2 center, the Bruins had hoped to re-sign Jarome Iginla, the Rangers have Brian Boyle and Anton Stralman headed to free agency, and the list goes on.

Having a cap that’s a $1 million less than expected is far from ideal for many of these cap teams.

What’s most interesting is that in the negotiations over setting the cap number, it was the NHL Players’ Association wanting it at $69 million while the league wanted it at $70 million. The NHLPA’s concern was that a $70-million cap would lead to more escrow payments for players next year.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/id/31676/rumblings-spezza-nixes-trade-to-predators

That $1M makes a huge difference filling out the roster.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

They are making way too big of a deal about the cap being @ 69M for the Rangers.. People are acting like we can't sign anybody because of our RFAs.. its absurd. and by anybody, I mean any of our own UFAs

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

I just hope we keep Moore.

 

[Zil]

They are making way too big of a deal about the cap being @ 69M for the Rangers.. People are acting like we can't sign anybody because of our RFAs.. its absurd. and by anybody, I mean any of our own UFAs

Given how few moves have actually gone down around the league, I think it's likely reporters are blowing smoke to fill column space.

 

[SA16]

the 1M loss from 70->69 was basically already negated by trading Dorsett (if you assume we would not have tried to trade him if it didn't go down)

 

[Oak]

I would trade Staal before the trade deadline. Yes.

Again, the guy is not what he used to be. His head injuries and eye injury have aged him quickly. His reaction time isn't the same, he loses pucks in his feet, he loses foot races when he has to turn around and get to the corner or back boards, and he will be commanding at least 6 million annually on his next contract.

Get as much mileage out of him now as I can, trade him before the deadline for scoring depth, multitask and find a LHD that can log about 15 minutes. Mac, G, and Stral would take the brunt of the load while the other 3 i would handle with a little more care, but evenly disperse the minutes.

I highly agree with moving Staal while we can get something good for him. He is definitely not what he used to be.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
FORWARDS
Carl Hagelin ($2.250m) / Derek Stepan ($3.075m) / Rick Nash ($7.800m)
Chris Kreider ($2.500m) / J.T. Miller ($0.894m) / Martin St. Louis ($5.625m)
Benoit Pouliot ($2.500m) / Derick Brassard ($4.000m) / Mats Zuccarello ($3.500m)
Daniel Carcillo ($0.850m) / Dominic Moore ($1.600m) / Ryan Carter ($0.900m)
Jesper Fast ($0.805m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Dan Girardi ($5.500m) / Ryan McDonagh ($4.700m)
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Anton Stralman ($4.000m)
John Moore ($1.250m) / Kevin Klein ($2.900m)
Raphael Diaz ($1.225m) /
GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($8.500m)
Cameron Talbot ($0.563m)
BUYOUTS
Wade Redden ($0.000m)
Brad Richards ($0.000m)
BONUS OVERAGE
$0
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $69,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $68,911,667; BONUSES: $445,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $88,333

Reasons for the following contracts..

Zucc.. 3.5M
comparable: Alex Killorn who just signed a 2 year deal with the Lightning for $2.55M, put up 41 points (17 goals, 24 assists).. Zucc put up a 59 point season (19 goals, 40 assists), 18 more points than Killorn which is why he's making a million dollars more per year.

Chris Kreider 2.5M.
comparable.. Carl Hagelin signing his 2 year bridge contract put up 24 points in 48 games (10 goals 14 assists) during the lockout.. Prorate that over a full season, and you're looking at about 35-40 points.. Kreider this season put up 37 points (17G 20A) in 66 games, but also spent some time in Hartford in the beginning of the season. gets slightly more than Hagelin on a bridge contract.

Derick Brassard - 4M
Comparable.. Patrick Berglund just signed a contract worth 3.7M per year over 3 years.. The last 3 years Berglund has put up 99 points, while Brassard has put up 116 points, a difference of 17 points, which is why I put Brassard in the 4M range.

Pouilit and Stralman may very well get more.. but I would go 2 years on Pouilot, and 5 years if need be on Stralman if we can secure him at 4M.. but thats the absolute highest I would go on both of them..

 

[Hire Sather]

I can't see the front office missing the boat this much. If Moore wants under 2M, its just such a no brainer to bring him back.

 

[Vitto79]

CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
FORWARDS
Carl Hagelin ($2.250m) / Derek Stepan ($3.075m) / Rick Nash ($7.800m)
Chris Kreider ($2.500m) / J.T. Miller ($0.894m) / Martin St. Louis ($5.625m)
Benoit Pouliot ($2.500m) / Derick Brassard ($4.000m) / Mats Zuccarello ($3.500m)
Daniel Carcillo ($0.850m) / Dominic Moore ($1.600m) / Ryan Carter ($0.900m)
Jesper Fast ($0.805m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Dan Girardi ($5.500m) / Ryan McDonagh ($4.700m)
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Anton Stralman ($4.000m)
John Moore ($1.250m) / Kevin Klein ($2.900m)
Raphael Diaz ($1.225m) /
GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($8.500m)
Cameron Talbot ($0.563m)
BUYOUTS
Wade Redden ($0.000m)
Brad Richards ($0.000m)
BONUS OVERAGE
$0
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $69,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $68,911,667; BONUSES: $445,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $88,333

Reasons for the following contracts..

Zucc.. 3.5M
comparable: Alex Killorn who just signed a 2 year deal with the Lightning for $2.55M, put up 41 points (17 goals, 24 assists).. Zucc put up a 59 point season (19 goals, 40 assists), 18 more points than Killorn which is why he's making a million dollars more per year.

Chris Kreider 2.5M.
comparable.. Carl Hagelin signing his 2 year bridge contract put up 24 points in 48 games (10 goals 14 assists) during the lockout.. Prorate that over a full season, and you're looking at about 35-40 points.. Kreider this season put up 37 points (17G 20A) in 66 games, but also spent some time in Hartford in the beginning of the season. gets slightly more than Hagelin on a bridge contract.

Derick Brassard - 4M
Comparable.. Patrick Berglund just signed a contract worth 3.7M per year over 3 years.. The last 3 years Berglund has put up 99 points, while Brassard has put up 116 points, a difference of 17 points, which is why I put Brassard in the 4M range.

Pouilit and Stralman may very well get more.. but I would go 2 years on Pouilot, and 5 years if need be on Stralman if we can secure him at 4M.. but thats the absolute highest I would go on both of them..

Well your estimated numbers basically show why they need to pay hardball in negotiations. Basically have enough for a rd and 2 fourth liners but they can't overpay if vote Moore . Boyke is gone for sure and pouliott needs to take less