Speculation: 2014 Offseason - Roster Building / Trade Speculation Thread V

[Tawnos]

You know what.. If we're gonna go into the season with Stepan/Brassard as the top 2 centers.. I wouldn't mind trying Nash with Brassard and Zucc. Kreider and Stepan and MSL on the PP seem to have alot of chemistry.

Kreider-Stepan-St Louis
Zucc - Brassard - Nash
Hagelin - Miller? - ?
? - Moore (hopefully)- Dorsett.

I'd be thoroughly satisfied going into next season with that lineup. Downie, Kulemin, Setoguchi, Fast, Kristo... someone call fill 3RW.

 

[Inferno]

I like the idea of playing Nash in his spot with Brassard and Zucc. Those 2 are very creative playmakers (especially Zucc) could be the thing that gets Nash going.. and there's size on that line with Nash, and Nash is very good defensively and doesn't take stupid offensive zone penalties.

the problem with that is i think Nash is a big reason Kreider and Stepan get the looks they do...he takes a lot of pressure off of them...im not sure they are nearly as effective w/o him...

 

[Tawnos]

the problem with that is i think Nash is a big reason Kreider and Stepan get the looks they do...he takes a lot of pressure off of them...im not sure they are nearly as effective w/o him...

Would they really be that much worse off with MSL in that slot, though? He might not be the physical presence that Nash is, but opposing defenders have to have the same awareness of him as they do of Nash.

 

[Inferno]

Would they really be that much worse off with MSL in that slot, though? He might not be the physical presence that Nash is, but opposing defenders have to have the same awareness of him as they do of Nash.

fair enough...the 3rd line is gonna be scary weak then though.

Kreider - Stepan - MSL
Nash - Brassard - MZA
Hagelin - Miller - ?????
???? - ????? - Dorsett


Oof, goodbye depth.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

fair enough...the 3rd line is gonna be scary weak then though.

Kreider - Stepan - MSL
Nash - Brassard - MZA
Hagelin - Miller - ?????
???? - ????? - Dorsett


Oof, goodbye depth.

which is why we need a better 3c than Miller at least if we're going with Brassard as the 2c, Miller can play wing too, although he's more valuable as a center.

 

[Thirty One]

The first job I worked post-MBA was one in which you negotiated your own salary each year.

If I was to go in after an average year and ask for a 300% raise, it would be a risk. A risk of getting fired and replaced by someone willing to do the same job for less.

How is that comparable to this situation? Brooks is reporting that Pouliot will get those offers.

 

[Zil]

Would they really be that much worse off with MSL in that slot, though? He might not be the physical presence that Nash is, but opposing defenders have to have the same awareness of him as they do of Nash.

They're two very different types of offensive players. Nash drives the play. St. Louis is more of an opportunistic type who's elite at taking advantage of possession created by others. St. Louis should benefit greatly from having a superior center to Richards next year.

 

[frozenrubber]

No to $3M per for Poo. Yes to signing Dustin Penner on the cheap.

Pouliot put in the same role as last year, is a 20 goal scorer. That is worth 3 million no matter how much we cringe at it.

Even though Brassard doesn't get enough credit on that line (Zucc gets plenty), the size and more importantly, the hands of Pouliot did a lot on that line.

With Richards gone, the 2nd line should get even more prime icetime. I put money on the devil we know, instead of re-casting. The Rangers will have enough turnover this year, he's a player I keep.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Pouliot put in the same role as last year, is a 20 goal scorer. That is worth 3 million no matter how much we cringe at it.

Even though Brassard doesn't get enough credit on that line (Zucc gets plenty), the size and more importantly, the hands of Pouliot did a lot on that line.

With Richards gone, the 2nd line should get even more prime icetime. I put money on the devil we know, instead of re-casting. The Rangers will have enough turnover this year, he's a player I keep.

Penner brings all of that, but he's bigger and has Stanley Cup winning experience.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

They're two very different types of offensive players. Nash drives the play. St. Louis is more of an opportunistic type who's elite at taking advantage of possession created by others. St. Louis should benefit greatly from having a superior center to Richards next year.

Yep, but right now, who would that be? unless he's playing with Stepan.

 

[frozenrubber]

Penner brings all of that, but he's bigger and has Stanley Cup winning experience.

Did you watch Penner in Washington? It was reminiscent of his terrible end in LA (Kings, not Ducks).

I'm not overly attached to players, but I wouldn't blink at Pouliot at 2.75, and could stomach 3 knowing that you aren't getting a bargain, but he simply works on that line.

 

[bobbop]

No to $3M per for Poo. Yes to signing Dustin Penner on the cheap.

Omigod! Please shoot me!

 

[Zil]

Yep, but right now, who would that be? unless he's playing with Stepan.

I think Miller might honestly be better at even strength next year than Richards was this year. Richards posted 19 of his 51 points on the powerplay. I don't have a huge amount of confidence in Miller, but a 35+ point season isn't an insane amount of production to expect if he's really ready.

Also, it looks like Boyle and Pouliot are going to get crazy contracts. If they both walk, then we should have plenty of money to keep Stralman and make a run at Grabovski.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

I don't think Poo has the type of season he put up with us, anywhere else.

I'll be glad if he got his 3 yr/3 mill deal.

Just not with us. Good guy but that's just too steep.

Setoguchi would be a nice addition for the cheap... but then again, I'd much rather play Kristo those minutes than Set. Same size, same skill set, one could be here for the long haul - the other not really.

 

[bobbop]

Nash is a thousand times better on the right side. That's where this argument falls apart.

3Y X $3MM is a more than I would like to spend for Poo but I'd take my chances. It's not real big money by current 2nd line standards. It's also not a lot of money to have to move in a trade if things go sour.

 

[frozenrubber]

Nash is a thousand times better on the right side. That's where this argument falls apart.

3Y X $3MM is a more than I would like to spend for Poo but I'd take my chances. It's not real big money by current 2nd line standards. It's also not a lot of money to have to move in a trade if things go sour.

And that's exactly it. Pouliot is a 2nd line LW on this team. That's what a 2nd line wing should make, and he looked good in that role.

Yes you can roll the dice that a cheaper option could work, but we've all seen the Rangers swing and miss on that a ton. Pouliot has his warts, but the potential overpayment there is small compared to overspending by millions on a higher priced FA elsewhere in the lineup. Good teams have continuity, and this is continuity the Rangers can actually afford.

I for one don't want the Rangers to let Pouliot to walk for a few hundred thousand and pick up a handful of lower priced crap (Pyatt, Asham, Brashear, Rissmiller, Voros, etc).

 

[TheTakedown]

Word has it that yandle is available....

http://snyrangersblog.com/znhl-play...s-insider-trading-on-ryan-kesler/#more-130766

If rangers do decide to move Staal that's a viable offensive counterpart to replace him

 

[BBKers]

Some thoughts

Would like to get The following pieces:

Via Trade
Jeremy. Morin (one of Kristo/Fast plus pick)
Patrik Berglund (One of Lindberg/Miller, Dorsett plus a small piece)
Leo Komarov (if Berglund is not acquired) for ???

Via UFA
Stop gap fwd in one of Penner, Hemsky or Heatley ev. on a bonus ladden deal (We need to replace Broadway Brads points)
D Moore
D Carcillo

Resign RFAs
Brassard
Zuccarello
j Moore
Kreider
Possibly Falk

Walk (simply costing too much $$)
Boyle
Stralman
Pouliot

Promote
McIllraith
Miller/Lindberg
Fast (Kristo)

Yes - Kyle Beach and Jason Wilson must go. Along with the likes of. Asham, Haley, Bickel, Powe and Kyle. Jean

 

[17futurecap]

Posted a lot of notes from a chat Gross had with Gordie Clark in the prospects thread, everyone should check it out. Lots of info on our prospects going into next season.

 

[BBKers]

Posted a lot of notes from a chat Gross had with Gordie Clark in the prospects thread, everyone should check it out. Lots of info on our prospects going into next season.

Saw it. Thanx. Good stuff

 

[Zuccarello Awesome*]

Komarov is another possibility as a cheap 3rd line possibility, though his one NHL season was somewhat underwhelming.

I would think Komarov would be on their radar as a 4th line Boyle replacement if anything. I don't see him as a 3rd liner here.

 

[Zuccarello Awesome*]

This is my ideal plan:

1) Brassard and Skjei for Leddy and Morin

(Chicago needs a 2C. We need the LD depth so we can move Staal for ROR. And we can afford to include Skjei because Leddy (only 23) IS exactly what Skjei projects to be in a few years)

2) Staal for Ryan O'Reilly

UFA SIGN:

Ryan Carter (900k x 3 years)


RFA RE-SIGN:

Zuccarello (4.2 x 4 years)
Kreider (2.5 x 2 years)
O'Reilly (6.0 x 7 years)
Kristo (qualifying offer less than 1 mil)
Morin (qualifying offer less than 1 mil)
J. Moore (1.5 x 2 years)


UFA RE-SIGN:

D. Moore (1.5 x 3 years)
Carcillo (850k x 1 year)
Stralman (4.0 x 6 years)




Zuccarello O'Reilly Nash
Kreider Stepan St. Louis
Hagelin Miller Morin/Kristo
Carcillo Moore Carter
Fast

McDonagh Girardi
Leddy Stralman
Moore Klein
Allen

Lundqvist
Talbot


Morin/Kristo battle in training camp for that 3W spot. Both are right-handed shots, something that we lacked last season. If Miller/Lindberg aren't ready for the 3C position, there's still enough cap-space to find a reasonable stop-gap like Santorelli or Goc for cheap. Dorsett can be moved at the draft for a 4th or 5th. His 1.6 is simply too much for his fourth-line role in this scenario.

With McDonagh, Leddy, and Moore on the left side, we'd have one of the quickest, most mobile defenses in the league. On the right side, Girardi and Klein aren't exactly speed demons, but Stralman is mobile enough to skate the puck out of harm's way. All together, I feel that's a very strong blue-line.


PAYROLL ends up being aronud 68.5 mil, with 13th F and 7th D accounted for. That's about 1 mil in cap-space according to the latest cap-ceiling estimates.

To me, that's a roster that could get back to the SCF. Leddy replacing Staal gives us even more speed, mobility, and offense from the blue-line. O'Reilly bumps Stepan down where he belongs and gives us the center depth we sorely lacked in the Final. We basically improved Brassard to O'Reilly, and replaced Staal with Leddy (not nearly as good defensively as Staal, but better offensively and skates like the wind). Boyle, Dorsett, Pouliot out. Carcillo, Carter, Kristo/Morin in.

Thoughts?

 

[NYRSchrute217]

Nash is a thousand times better on the right side. That's where this argument falls apart.

3Y X $3MM is a more than I would like to spend for Poo but I'd take my chances. It's not real big money by current 2nd line standards. It's also not a lot of money to have to move in a trade if things go sour.

Don't know if anyone would trade for Pouliot at 3M if he goes back to playing as inconsistently as he did before he came to New York.

I like Poo a lot but I'm not sure I give him more than 2M over a multi-year deal. Plenty of cheaper options on the UFA market could step in cheaper than 3 million.

 

[RangerBoy]

Ken Hughes hasn't had many extensive discussions with Jeff Gorton about his client. Pouliot wants to cash in on his season and sign a long-term contract. The Rangers are better off with Fast. Right-handed shot. Pouliot is cinderella. Its only a matter of time before he reverts back to being the inconsistent player who bounced around from Minnesota to Montreal to Boston to TB to New York. He took some stupid penalties in the playoffs. The Rangers signed him a one year deal where Pouliot took a $500,000 pay cut. Don't push your luck and sign this guy.

 

[Ola]

there is no way i pay pouliot 3m a year for 3 years. none.

Yeah, but we gotta learn that 3m is the new 2m, basically. And in say 3 years, 2.5m is like the new 1.5m.

The math don't add up? The thing is, — minimum salary and ELC — will not even remotely keep up with the cap that goes up. You will still be able to fill around 4-5 spots for around sub-4-5m. When the cap hits 80m in two years, you all of a sudden has 75m minus goalies divided with 12-13 skaters. That is 5.4m per on avg.

On average!!! Remember where you heard it first, folks.

Hence I cringe when I see Slats nickle and dime someone like Stralman, Pouliot and co to save 200-400k AND to get them to sign for 2-3 years instead of 4-5 years. Nikitin is getting 4.5m per? News flash, in 1-2 years "Nikitin" gets 5.5m per. "Pouliot" gets 4.5m per instead of 3-3.5m per like this year. Any talk about him "deserving" 2.2m per all year has been ridiculous.

I said it back when Hank signed too. He left a ton of money on the table. No – and I mean no — star has signed for sub-double digits in a long time, but it has been masked by front loaded deals. Toews and Kane are looking for 12m per, and anything below is hometown discount.

Slats really screwed up not locking our players up long term.