Speculation: 2014 Offseason - Roster Building / Trade Speculation Thread III

[Vitto79]

Nikitin took less term and more money.

I understand that but is Stralman not the better player? Nikitin was scratched a bunch no?

 

[Elevate]

Not sure I'm as sold on ROR as many of you guys are. I'm sure he's good for the team spirit and he's solid on the faceoffs but will he produce as much in the middle of the ice? After all he spent most of the season as a winger next to Duchene and MacK/Parenteau. 6.5M is a bit hefty of a price for someone who hasn't had such a banger of a season playing as C, especially since it is what he'd be here.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

He also maximizes all leverage he has with RFAs.

Slats also plays a dangerous game where he tries to CREATE leverage on UFAs. He seems to let everybody hit the open market, thinking their demands will come down, and they'll realize they wanna stay. Might be a risk, but he has a pretty good track record.

Problem every July is that he'll now go out and sign a Goc for 4M per, or keep Carcillo for 1.5 per.

 

[Levitate]

Never stated he was a bad GM - not the thread for that. I agreed that he needs to use his leverage when he can. The second part was just an off-hand comment that really goes back to many years ago, but it didn't imply that UFAs are paid less than others. That's well-understood and I agree with that notion.

the issue is really more that the Rangers are always in the position of needing to get UFA's to improve their roster, etc, so they have to pay big money for guys who are likely about to hit the downside of their careers.

Not sure I'm as sold on ROR as many of you guys are. I'm sure he's good for the team spirit and he's solid on the faceoffs but will he produce as much in the middle of the ice? After all he spent most of the season as a winger next to Duchene and MacK/Parenteau. 6.5M is a bit hefty of a price for someone who hasn't had such a banger of a season playing as C, especially since it is what he'd be here.

I think he's overrated some and reaching for the huge contract when he hasn't proven to be worth that money is a bit of a red flag to me, but he's a good player who is very young still. I don't think the Rangers have the room to sign him to a 6.5M contract though if they even could acquire him

 

[silverfish]

Interesting thought:

If we do trade for ROR, and lock him up at 6yrs/$6.5m per, I'd assume Stepan's negotiations when he hits the end of this current RFA deal start there? That's an issue.

I'm telling you guys, Spezza or no one.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

Or you start shopping Nash... we're gonna have to trade him within the next 2-3 years anyway, IMO, better sooner than later.

 

[Championship*]

Interesting thought:

If we do trade for ROR, and lock him up at 6yrs/$6.5m per, I'd assume Stepan's negotiations when he hits the end of this current RFA deal start there? That's an issue.

I'm telling you guys, Spezza or no one.

No one, then. Spezza isn't coming here.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

Interesting thought:

If we do trade for ROR, and lock him up at 6yrs/$6.5m per, I'd assume Stepan's negotiations when he hits the end of this current RFA deal start there? That's an issue.

I'm telling you guys, Spezza or no one.

I think the low end of the spectrum for ROR is 5 mill, which is where the Avs are starting with? I think the range is 5-6.5 mill, ROR pushing for 6.5 again and Avs trying to get him to sign for lower.

I think if he's traded for the Rangers, and they're able to sign him for 6 years 5.75 mill, and throw him some added incentive to lower the AAV, like a NMC... well, then Stepan's next deal could become more friendly - like 5/6 years @ 5.5 mill.

Step should be looking at a 2-2.5 mill increase in contract. ROR would need to sign for about 5.75, right in between his upper and lower limits of his arbitration range.

Otherwise, that's a huge problem to have w/ ROR. Sather can't be nickle and diming all of our RFA's and then get another team's RFA and cave in. Terrible precedent.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Nikitin took less term and more money.

Not unreasonable to think that we couldn't get Stralman for 4.1 X 4.

 

[silverfish]

No one, then. Spezza isn't coming here.

That's a shame, I think he's a perfect fit pending price.

I think the low end of the spectrum for ROR is 5 mill, which is where the Avs are starting with? I think the range is 5-6.5 mill, ROR pushing for 6.5 again and Avs trying to get him to sign for lower.

I think if he's traded for the Rangers, and they're able to sign him for 6 years 5.75 mill, and throw him some added incentive to lower the AAV, like a NMC... well, then Stepan's next deal could become more friendly - like 5/6 years @ 5.5 mill.

Step should be looking at a 2-2.5 mill increase in contract. ROR would need to sign for about 5.75, right in between his upper and lower limits of his arbitration range.

Otherwise, that's a huge problem to have w/ ROR. Sather can't be nickle and diming all of our RFA's and then get another team's RFA and cave in. Terrible precedent.

Couldn't. Agree. More.

It sort of happened, in a way. Callahan was here when Sather handed out the Redden, Drury, Gomez, and Richards contracts. I think he knew what he was doing when he tried to get paid. Maybe I'm reading in between lines that don't exist.

 

[NYR Viper]

Interesting thought:

If we do trade for ROR, and lock him up at 6yrs/$6.5m per, I'd assume Stepan's negotiations when he hits the end of this current RFA deal start there? That's an issue.

I'm telling you guys, Spezza or no one.

Same exact deal and I'm good with it

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

That's a shame, I think he's a perfect fit pending price.



Couldn't. Agree. More.

As for Spezza, SF, I think he's one of the worst options we can have.

He'd likely bolt after 1 year. He's a serious injury risk at this stage in his career. He doesn't add any new dimension to our team that we don't already have - not physical, not a bomb shot, not big and can park in front of the net. His salvage value would be incredibly low if we didn't think he was a fit and wanted to trade him at the deadline. And he'd cost a lot in assets to acquire... assets we are currently running low on.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Slats also plays a dangerous game where he tries to CREATE leverage on UFAs. He seems to let everybody hit the open market, thinking their demands will come down, and they'll realize they wanna stay. Might be a risk, but he has a pretty good track record.

Who exactly are you referring to? Seems to me like he doesn't like setting the market or giving players an offer to shop.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

Same exact deal and I'm good with it

ROR isn't worth 6.5 mill, yet. Stepan sure as hell isn't worth 6.5 mill, yet.

McDonagh is a Norris trophy candidate, people thought he'd be asking for 5.8-6 mill last year... he took 4.8 with us.

Stepan was interviewed and said he wanted to be a leader for the team. He just saw Richards price himself out of the team. Nash is next if he can't produce this year/in the playoffs. Staal may or may not have priced himself out too... but you know who is about to get paid? All the hard workers on the team, all the guys that came in and worked their ass off... and hell, we still don't even know the contracts they'll get and if we're just going off by what some of them are saying to the media - they'll take fair contracts to stay here. Zucc's agent was quoted on a Norwegian newspaper saying he thinks fair value for Zucc is 5/22. That's 4.4 AAV. That's his starting point. He'll go to 4.1-4.2, maybe even lower. He said staying with the Rangers is the priority, not the contract. Moore said he wants to stay here, and would make it simple for the Rangers to keep him. Stralman has been on the record saying that stability for his family is the sticking point, not the most money. He wants more years, not most money.

Now... add in ROR, who thinks he's worth more than the team. He'll ruin the whole thing we have going. You add him, pay him what he wants, and McDonagh starts wondering why he didn't take what he could have last year. Stepan starts asking for the moon. Hagelin does as well. The team first mentality goes through the window.

He's [ROR] gotta buy into what this team is doing, including contractually, otherwise he isn't the proper fit.

 

[NYR Viper]

ROR isn't worth 6.5 mill, yet. Stepan sure as hell isn't worth 6.5 mill, yet.

McDonagh is a Norris trophy candidate, people thought he'd be asking for 5.8-6 mill last year... he took 4.8 with us.

Stepan was interviewed and said he wanted to be a leader for the team. He just saw Richards price himself out of the team. Nash is next if he can't produce this year/in the playoffs. Staal may or may not have priced himself out too... but you know who is about to get paid? All the hard workers on the team, all the guys that came in and worked their ass off... and hell, we still don't even know the contracts they'll get and if we're just going off by what some of them are saying to the media - they'll take fair contracts to stay here. Zucc's agent was quoted on a Norwegian newspaper saying he thinks fair value for Zucc is 5/22. That's 4.4 AAV. That's his starting point. He'll go to 4.1-4.2, maybe even lower. He said staying with the Rangers is the priority, not the contract.

Now... add in ROR, who thinks he's worth more than the team. He'll ruin the whole thing we have going. You add him, pay him what he wants, and McDonagh starts wondering why he didn't take what he could have last year. Stepan starts asking for the moon. Hagelin does as well. The team first mentality goes through the window.

He's [ROR] gotta buy into what this team is doing, including contractually, otherwise he isn't the proper fit.

Give him a longer contract and get it done. He will be a key piece for any team he is on moving forward.

 

[silverfish]

Notes in bold

As for Spezza, SF, I think he's one of the worst options we can have.

He'd likely bolt after 1 year (Good. A good stop-gap for Lindberg, as any trade in my eyes will be sending Miller to Ottawa. He's a serious injury risk at this stage in his career Why? He missed 7 games last year. Sure the shortened lockout season was a bust, but he seems to have recovered well.. He doesn't add any new dimension to our team that we don't already have - not physical, not a bomb shot, not big and can park in front of the net He provides the depth we need at center with Richie gone. He or Stepan at 1C/2C, Brassard at 3C. He also adds another forward right-handed shot, something we are desperately missing. His salvage value would be incredibly low if we didn't think he was a fit and wanted to trade him at the deadline This is a very situational thing. I think regardless, if he's healthy, Spezza will return a bit at the deadline on the chance that he doesn't work out here. . And he'd cost a lot in assets to acquire... assets we are currently running low on. As would ROR or Thornton. Only Stastny won't cost assets, but he'll eat a contract for a long-time he's nowhere near worth

 

[NYR Viper]

Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie 3m
Jason Spezza trade talk heating up. OTT in conversation with 4 teams, three in the West and one in the East.

I wonder who they are. Would Chicago try and poach him for Sharp?

 

[RangerBoy]

Stralman wants security. He discussed moving his family around too much and he likes it here. The Rangers give him a little more term and he takes less. Nikitin isn't playing in Edmonton for free. It's Edmonton.

 

[silverfish]

I wonder who they are. Would Chicago try and poach him for Sharp?

I really hope we're that East team. At least talking about him. Getting a market from Ottawa and evaluating.

 

[xChrisTilDeathx]

ROR isn't worth 6.5 mill, yet. Stepan sure as hell isn't worth 6.5 mill, yet.

McDonagh is a Norris trophy candidate, people thought he'd be asking for 5.8-6 mill last year... he took 4.8 with us.

Stepan was interviewed and said he wanted to be a leader for the team. He just saw Richards price himself out of the team. Nash is next if he can't produce this year/in the playoffs. Staal may or may not have priced himself out too... but you know who is about to get paid? All the hard workers on the team, all the guys that came in and worked their ass off... and hell, we still don't even know the contracts they'll get and if we're just going off by what some of them are saying to the media - they'll take fair contracts to stay here. Zucc's agent was quoted on a Norwegian newspaper saying he thinks fair value for Zucc is 5/22. That's 4.4 AAV. That's his starting point. He'll go to 4.1-4.2, maybe even lower. He said staying with the Rangers is the priority, not the contract. Moore said he wants to stay here, and would make it simple for the Rangers to keep him. Stralman has been on the record saying that stability for his family is the sticking point, not the most money. He wants more years, not most money.

Now... add in ROR, who thinks he's worth more than the team. He'll ruin the whole thing we have going. You add him, pay him what he wants, and McDonagh starts wondering why he didn't take what he could have last year. Stepan starts asking for the moon. Hagelin does as well. The team first mentality goes through the window.

He's [ROR] gotta buy into what this team is doing, including contractually, otherwise he isn't the proper fit.

I agree, another thing worth mentioning is the one common factor that most Stanley Cup championship teams have in common is they've played together as a group for greater then 3 years.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

I wonder who they are. Would Chicago try and poach him for Sharp?

Ana, Stl, Dal.

Sharp is always on the block there. He never gets moved. He won't get moved now.

The team from the East will likely be in our division, not Ott's.

Possibilities?

Pitt, CLB, Phi, Rangers. Teams looking to win now.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

I really hope we're that East team. At least talking about him. Getting a market from Ottawa and evaluating.

At least one of us on this board would be happy if this happens.

 

[NYR Viper]

Stralman wants security. He discussed moving his family around too much and he likes it here. The Rangers give him a little more term and he takes less. Nikitin isn't playing in Edmonton for free. It's Edmonton.

We have discussed this in the past. Give him an extra year to keep the cap number down. He is a very good skater. Those guys age well.

I really hope we're that East team. At least talking about him. Getting a market from Ottawa and evaluating.

I hope not. He is a shell of himself. Similar to Nash

Ana, Stl, Dal.

Sharp is always on the block there. He never gets moved. He won't get moved now.

The team from the East will likely be in our division, not Ott's.

Possibilities?

Pitt, CLB, Phi, Rangers. Teams looking to win now.

I am thinking Columbus. Philly and Pitt have too many centers as it is.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

We have discussed this in the past. Give him an extra year to keep the cap number down. He is a very good skater. Those guys age well.



I hope not. He is a shell of himself. Similar to Nash



I am thinking Columbus. Philly and Pitt have too many centers as it is.

Both looking for shake ups.

Philly could give Coutourier and a pick.
Pitt could give Neal a prospect and a pick.
Davidson is a shrewd GM, wouldn't put it past him to get someone like Spezza after getting someone like Hartnell.
And Sather is always involved in big time acquisitions.

One thing I will say, though. If a direct rival gets someone big, Sather usually has to follow suit.

Spezza to one of the three teams we're talking about and I can see a big time center coming our way.

 

[silverfish]

I hope not. He is a shell of himself. Similar to Nash

That "shell of himself" would have led the Rangers in points, goals, and assists last year [not including MSL's full year totals] (and had the worst +/- on the team. Was that a factor of playing for Ottawa, though?)

Not to mention PPGs, PPAs, and PPPs, too.