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Speculation: 2014 Offseason - Roster Building / Trade Speculation Thread III

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Rust Heisenberg said:
It really is a perfect trade situation for both teams... But the only qualm I have is that contract he wants and what it could potentially do to our players that want new contracts coming up - namely Stepan, a comparable player at a comparable position.
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64 points in 80 games this past year. Elite 2-way center, very good all-around game, 23 years old. I'd give him a long term contract in the 5-6 million range.

If Stepan has another good year after this one, I'd gladly give him a similar contract. 60+ point elite 2-way centerman at #1 and 2 in the line-up? One right handed, the other left handed. 23 + 24 years old. Yes please.
 
xChrisTilDeathx said:
We need a center. And have too much space on the cap tied up on players with no trade clauses. I don't see us adding him even if we could get rid of Giraridi's contract.
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Sharp is a natural center.

Also, get rid of Girardi? Smh.
 
Idlerlee said:
The reason our "third" line was so successful was beause Pouliot actually has the ability to put pucks in the back of the net. I love Boyle, but he has literally no ability to puck the put in the net, except a few times by chance.

how exactly will that line benefit from having Boyle on the wing if their production will go down ?

Disclaimer: I really, *really* want Boyle back on this team next season, he's a stud in his current role.. its unfortunate he has declared he has no interest in continuing in that position
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I disagree.
He is not getting inadvertent tip ins. He is getting some solid wristers.

In Any Event,
I believe he has earned the chance.
If it is 1 year deal only for 2.5 m -- a bargain we need -- that could be a win win.

I believe he would complement Bras Zuc, HE WOULD ADD.
That said, they would be successful if Boyle just hustles and is not part of the problem on offense (i.e., stays out of the way).

So
1 yr deal experiment
good fit for a good guy we owe (up to a point)
do the right thing. karma
 
NYR Viper said:
64 points in 80 games this past year. Elite 2-way center, very good all-around game, 23 years old. I'd give him a long term contract in the 5-6 million range.

If Stepan has another good year after this one, I'd gladly give him a similar contract. 60+ point elite 2-way centerman at #1 and 2 in the line-up? One right handed, the other left handed. 23 + 24 years old. Yes please.
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Let's say he gets 5.75 and Stepan gets 5.5. I'd be perfectly content with that.

Now let's say he's still insistent on 6+ or even 6.5.

No. 23 y/o trying to beat the system.
 
SeventySeven said:
How To Get BOTH Thornton and O'Reilly Under The Cap:

(and keep a contending team)


1) Trade Brassard's rights at the draft to move up (essentially let him walk)
2) Trade Stepan, Dorsett, McIlrath for Thornton
3) Trade Staal for O'Reilly

-Then let Pouliot walk
-Re-Sign Zuccarello (4.0), Stralman (4.0), Kreider (2.5 bridge), D. Moore (1.6), Carcillo (850k), and J. Moore (1.5)

CapGeek Armchair GM Roster


FORWARDS

Mats Zuccarello ($4.000m) / Joe Thornton ($6.750m) / Rick Nash ($7.800m)
Chris Kreider ($2.500m) / Ryan O'Reilly ($6.000m) / Martin St. Louis ($5.625m)
Carl Hagelin ($2.250m) / J.T. Miller ($0.894m) / Danny Kristo ($1.300m)
Daniel Carcillo ($0.850m) / Dominic Moore ($1.600m) / Ryan Carter ($0.900m)


DEFENSEMEN

Ryan McDonagh ($4.700m) / Dan Girardi ($5.500m)
John Moore ($1.500m) / Anton Stralman ($4.000m)
Conor Allen ($0.925m) / Kevin Klein ($2.900m)


GOALTENDERS

Henrik Lundqvist ($8.500m)
Cameron Talbot ($0.563m)

BUYOUTS

Wade Redden ($0.000m)
Brad Richards ($0.000m)

BONUS OVERAGE
$0
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $69,056,667; BONUSES: $1,200,000
CAP SPACE (20-man roster): $2,043,333


Yes, that's 2 mil in cap-space with both Thornton and O'Reilly on the team. And the top-6 forwards are our 6 best forwards. Hagelin's speed helps the kid line with Miller and either Kristo or Haggerty or ______, and Carcillo-Moore-Carter is a smart fourth line.


You can't keep Brassard at ~4.5-5 million if you want to improve your center position (and need to trade Stepan to do so).

Stepan and Brassard go out, ROR and Thornton come in.

Miller plays 3C, and Moore stays at 4C.

The loss of Staal is the only issue here. It's wishful thinking that Allen will be ready, although he looked close last season. He could be ready for that 3rd pair role with a steady vet like Klein. But the biggest question mark would be...

"Can John Moore play top-4 minutes next to Stralman and can Stralman maintain his level of play while playing next to John Moore rather than Marc Staal?"

If he can, then this lineup likely gets us to the SCF again.

You're welcome, Glen.
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Thank god that was an armchair gm.


signed by,
Rangers Fans Everywhere
 
Rust Heisenberg said:
Let's say he gets 5.75 and Stepan gets 5.5. I'd be perfectly content with that.

Now let's say he's still insistent on 6+ or even 6.5.

No. 23 y/o trying to beat the system.
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Fine, then give him 8 years and lock him in. Cap will go up. Get him through his prime.

I have a feeling that if he is available, Gorton will be all over him. He has seen first-hand what a Stepan/ROR group can do with Bergeron/Kreijci
 
nevesis said:
I have a strong feeling Grabovski is coming. Don't hate it one bit.
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I'd love Grabovski, fantastic 2-way player.

Crazy scenario: Trade Brassard's rights, Klein, and Dorsett for picks (make sure we get DeAngelo in this draft, though I don't think he would be the only asset in return for those three pieces).

Sign Grabovski and Gilbert.

Re-sign everyone but Boyle.

We get:

CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
FORWARDS
Chris Kreider ($3.750m) / Derek Stepan ($3.075m) / Mats Zuccarello ($4.250m)
Carl Hagelin ($2.250m) / J.T. Miller ($0.894m) / Rick Nash ($7.800m)
Benoit Pouliot ($2.000m) / Mikhail Grabovski ($4.500m) / Martin St. Louis ($5.625m)
Dominic Moore ($1.500m) / Oscar Lindberg ($0.675m) / Jesper Fast ($0.805m)
Daniel Carcillo ($0.825m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Ryan McDonagh ($4.700m) / Dan Girardi ($5.500m)
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Anton Stralman ($4.500m)
John Moore ($1.000m) / Tom Gilbert ($2.000m)
Raphael Diaz ($1.000m) /
GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($8.500m)
Cameron Talbot ($0.563m)
BUYOUTS
Wade Redden ($0.000m)
Brad Richards ($0.000m)
BONUS OVERAGE
$0
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $69,686,667; BONUSES: $530,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,413,333
 
Ror for Staal works in so many ways, as long as he takes a reasonable extension.
 
NYR Viper said:
Fine, then give him 8 years and lock him in. Cap will go up. Get him through his prime.

I have a feeling that if he is available, Gorton will be all over him. He has seen first-hand what a Stepan/ROR group can do with Bergeron/Kreijci
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Exactly what I think, as well.

8 years for a guy who's played 1 good year is excessive. Again, a guy trying to beat the system.

5 for 5.75? Absolutely. 6 for 5.75? Meh a little hesitant but I'd do it if push came to shove. 7 years and more? Risky.
 
bernmeister said:
I disagree.
He is not getting inadvertent tip ins. He is getting some solid wristers.

In Any Event,
I believe he has earned the chance.
If it is 1 year deal only for 2.5 m -- a bargain we need -- that could be a win win.

I believe he would complement Bras Zuc, HE WOULD ADD.
That said, they would be successful if Boyle just hustles and is not part of the problem on offense (i.e., stays out of the way).

So
1 yr deal experiment
good fit for a good guy we owe (up to a point)
do the right thing. karma
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Bern I keep responding to this idea of yours, but I'm curious.

Why would Boyle take 1 yr 2.5 to play with Brass and Zucc when he most likely get a 3-4 year deal between 2.8-3.8 million for a chance at a 3rd line role? Why would he do that?

And if we owe him, as you say, which I don't believe we do, how is giving him under market value on a 1 year contract paying him back?

It just doesn't make sense. Pouliot is a superior play to Boyle, Boyle fits his role wonderfully and I love the guy, but he's a 4th line C/LW and top PKer. It's all he is. He's going to be grossly overpaid.
 
Rust Heisenberg said:
Exactly what I think, as well.

8 years for a guy who's played 1 good year is excessive. Again, a guy trying to beat the system.

5 for 5.75? Absolutely. 6 for 5.75? Meh a little hesitant but I'd do it if push came to shove. 7 years and more? Risky.
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If ROR was home grown, people will be totally fine with it. At 23, now is when you give these long-term contracts. Not at 27.

I'd rather it be shorter, but if that is what it takes to get him then do it. I'd rather pay him than try and pay someone like Legwand for a couple of years. Solidify the middle of the ice with an elite 2-way player still growing. Speed on the wings. Smarts at center ice.


CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
FORWARDS
Chris Kreider ($2.150m) / Derek Stepan ($3.075m) / Martin St. Louis ($5.625m)
Carl Hagelin ($2.250m) / Ryan O'Reilly ($5.750m) / Rick Nash ($7.800m)
Benoit Pouliot ($2.200m) / Derick Brassard ($4.200m) / Mats Zuccarello ($3.950m)
Jesper Fast ($0.805m) / Dominic Moore ($1.600m) / Derek Dorsett ($1.633m)
Daniel Carcillo ($0.825m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Dan Girardi ($5.500m) / Ryan McDonagh ($4.700m)
John Moore ($1.350m) / Anton Stralman ($4.200m)
Conor Allen ($0.925m) / Kevin Klein ($2.900m)
GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($8.500m)
Cameron Talbot ($0.563m)
BUYOUTS
Wade Redden ($0.000m)
Brad Richards ($0.000m)
BONUS OVERAGE
$0
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $70,500,833; BONUSES: $945,000
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $599,167
 
jerseyjinx94 said:
Bern, Boyle is going to get multi-year offers upwards of $3M. Why would he accept a 1 year "tryout" deal for below market value?
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Good question. I think they will be north of $3m+. Answers:

He loves NY,

we have a shot if we can keep most of our guys, shed excess cap and somehow add 1-2 difference makers (although I suspect that will mean getting a guy like Draisatil and hoping he is playing before and ready to step up end of next year).

Brass + Zuc are good, talented linemates he would complement. He would only have to positively contribute not be 'the guy' to finish scoring, yet he would be welcomed to finish as is opportunistic.

It's publicly a handshake deal. He's saying to all the NHL, I've grown, and if you put me with gifted enough linemates, I can (a) score enough and (b) contribute. If I'm wrong, it's not that high a cost. Barring injury we at least get the d etc out of him for another year. If I'm right, he will have earned a big payday. It will be proven the strong finish last season was not a fluke.

By then Nash's NMC is over, if he was not already moved. There would be room to extend Boyle 2 years more with club option on 3rd. We don't have to go crazy, but we could then pay more pro rata to both his individual output as well as the overall performance of the line.
 
NYR Viper said:
If ROR was home grown, people will be totally fine with it. At 23, now is when you give these long-term contracts. Not at 27.

I'd rather it be shorter, but if that is what it takes to get him then do it. I'd rather pay him than try and pay someone like Legwand for a couple of years. Solidify the middle of the ice with an elite 2-way player still growing. Speed on the wings. Smarts at center ice.


CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
FORWARDS
Chris Kreider ($2.150m) / Derek Stepan ($3.075m) / Martin St. Louis ($5.625m)
Carl Hagelin ($2.250m) / Ryan O'Reilly ($5.750m) / Rick Nash ($7.800m)
Benoit Pouliot ($2.200m) / Derick Brassard ($4.200m) / Mats Zuccarello ($3.950m)
Jesper Fast ($0.805m) / Dominic Moore ($1.600m) / Derek Dorsett ($1.633m)
Daniel Carcillo ($0.825m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Dan Girardi ($5.500m) / Ryan McDonagh ($4.700m)
John Moore ($1.350m) / Anton Stralman ($4.200m)
Conor Allen ($0.925m) / Kevin Klein ($2.900m)
GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($8.500m)
Cameron Talbot ($0.563m)
BUYOUTS
Wade Redden ($0.000m)
Brad Richards ($0.000m)
BONUS OVERAGE
$0
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $70,500,833; BONUSES: $945,000
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $599,167
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I'd imagine Miller gets the 4 LW there, given that the Rangers will likely give him a full year cup of coffee and evaluate whether they can trade Brassard and let him play in the 3c the following year.
 
I like ROR a lot as a player but for anyone thinking he is ELITE needs to think again. I believe he is more a product of his environment. Matt Duchene is an ELITE center they have that I would pick him up to come here. Although hes going nowhere unfortunately. I just want management to think young high impact center no joe thorntons who disses the Rangers for years or overpaid Eric Staals. Paul Statsny is not a number 1 center and is not the answer for us. In 2011 I thought at the time the best route to try was to try to obtain spezza whether he was available or not. Id even take him this year pending what the sens want although I like many on here want a YOUNG, HIGH IMPACT, POTENTIALLY ELITE number 1 center. Yes we know its hard to find but that should be managements 1st priority of acquiring.I would take a Kadri,Schiefele etc. Absolutely love the kid Nichuskin in Dallas whose body looks like a young Anismov's but can dangle like Malkin. No 37 year old Joe Thorntons. My spezza reasoning is his only year left on his contract and just what it would cost as murrary isnt in a position of strength it seems. I would only try that after we fail at every young gun option there is.
 
NYR Viper said:
If ROR was home grown, people will be totally fine with it. At 23, now is when you give these long-term contracts. Not at 27.

I'd rather it be shorter, but if that is what it takes to get him then do it. I'd rather pay him than try and pay someone like Legwand for a couple of years. Solidify the middle of the ice with an elite 2-way player still growing. Speed on the wings. Smarts at center ice.


CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
FORWARDS
Chris Kreider ($2.150m) / Derek Stepan ($3.075m) / Martin St. Louis ($5.625m)
Carl Hagelin ($2.250m) / Ryan O'Reilly ($5.750m) / Rick Nash ($7.800m)
Benoit Pouliot ($2.200m) / Derick Brassard ($4.200m) / Mats Zuccarello ($3.950m)
Jesper Fast ($0.805m) / Dominic Moore ($1.600m) / Derek Dorsett ($1.633m)
Daniel Carcillo ($0.825m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Dan Girardi ($5.500m) / Ryan McDonagh ($4.700m)
John Moore ($1.350m) / Anton Stralman ($4.200m)
Conor Allen ($0.925m) / Kevin Klein ($2.900m)
GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($8.500m)
Cameron Talbot ($0.563m)
BUYOUTS
Wade Redden ($0.000m)
Brad Richards ($0.000m)
BONUS OVERAGE
$0
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $70,500,833; BONUSES: $945,000
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $599,167
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I actually wouldn't mind this too much... I'd love it if someone would guarantee McIlrath is ready and would be fine on the bottom 4.
 
ROR made 6.5 mil this past season. Yes, it was because of the stupid contract Feaster gave him, but I have a hard time believing that he will be happy with less than that.
 
I don't know much about ROR, but if he's that good, why wouldn't CO resign him? They don't seem to be in cap hell.
 
GAGLine said:
ROR made 6.5 mil this past season. Yes, it was because of the stupid contract Feaster gave him, but I have a hard time believing that he will be happy with less than that.
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Therein lies the problem with ROR.
 
pwoz said:
I don't know much about ROR, but if he's that good, why wouldn't CO resign him? They don't seem to be in cap hell.
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1) Because he wants more than he is worth
2) As a result there has been increasing friction between the management and him and this seems to be the final straw for both sides.
 
truenewyorker said:
Sharp is a natural center.

Also, get rid of Girardi? Smh.
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Ah I always thought he was a forward. If he could play center for us i wouldn't be mad at it, but still think he might be asking too much for us to afford, unless we could get rid of Giraridi's CONTRACT. I don't want to get rid of Giraridi, but hes not worth what were paying him. Same thing with Nash obviously.
 
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Zil said:
Boyle's a goner. Someone is going to overpay him and he's looking for a bigger role. We've seen what happens when he gets a bigger role. He's the perfect fourth liner.
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I would agree with you, except I believe Brass Zuc are chemically in sync, and I think they pull Boyle with them, not other possibility of Boyle taking them down.

without Brass Zucc, I prob don't make this suggestion; I'd be open minded as to what we had instead of Brass Zuc, but not expecting fit for BB.
 
Fletch said:
guess that's also the reason why the Rangers shouldn't pursue!
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And a reason that I've stated over and over again! It's a pretty big problem with him. If they can get him to come down 750k a year... then by all means, fair value, excellent trade.
 
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