Speculation: 2014 Offseason - Roster Building / Trade Speculation Thread III

[Hire Sather]

Because players are interested in maximizing their values. Why would you characterize this as some sort of failure on the Rangers part?

Its something they have trouble closing every year. Including the RFA holdouts seemingly every year. It seems like we lose almost every UFA as well.

We've seen some pending UFAs re-sign already. This team can't afford to lose everyone.

Its not smart to totally overhahl this roster.

 

[Hire Sather]

Getting to July 1st unsigned doesn't mean the Rangers can't sign them.

July 1 doesn't really matter. UFAs can begin talking to other teams tomorrow.

 

[Ail]

July 1 doesn't really matter. UFAs can begin talking to other teams tomorrow.

Which isn't even the point.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Its something they have trouble closing every year. Including the RFA holdouts seemingly every year. It seems like we lose almost every UFA as well.

We've seen some pending UFAs re-sign already. This team can't afford to lose everyone.

Its not smart to totally overhahl this roster.

Boyle, Stralman, Moore, and Pouliot all had nice performances and are due raises on the UFA market.

It takes 2 to tango. They'd be fools to ink with the Rangers without establishing their market first.

 

[NYR Viper]

Would be interested.

Id imagine the Rangers would have to sweeten the pot given Staal's contract situation.

Agreed, they may have to add or somehow hope to give them a window to negotiate a new deal but Kane would be an ideal piece to bring some grit, scoring and size to the top-6

 

[Hire Sather]

Boyle, Stralman, Moore, and Pouliot all had nice performances and are due raises on the UFA market.

It takes 2 to tango. They'd be fools to ink with the Rangers without establishing their market first.

We know Boyle is likely gone based on him saying he wants a bigger role.

I was hoping that players like Pouliot and Moore would want to find some stabilty in their careers for once.

It sounds like (but who really knows, just going by what he said on breakup day) Stralman is looking for term. Was hoping that something could get done if NYR went to say 5 years.

Its just very upsetting to see this team torn apart. Like I've said not every UFA is going UFA. A few have signed, Markov just yesterday. Its always the Rangers who leave everything to the last minute. They could've tried to sign at least one of these guys during the season.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

We know Boyle is likely gone based on him saying he wants a bigger role.

I was hoping that players like Pouliot and Moore would want to find some stabilty in their careers for once.

It sounds like (but who really knows, just going by what he said on breakup day) Stralman is looking for term. Was hoping that something could get done if NYR went to say 5 years.

Its just very upsetting to see this team torn apart. Like I've said not every UFA is going UFA. A few have signed, Markov just yesterday. Its always the Rangers who leave everything to the last minute. They could've tried to sign at least one of these guys during the season.

The tried to sign Stralman. He would've left about $10M on the table had he signed early. I dont see why anyone would want to do that.

Markov is a fossil. His options are limited.

 

[eco's bones]

If the Rangers do move Staal--I would suggest they get Skjei to turn pro right away. Whether he could make the NHL right away--that might be a reach but they'll need to hurry up his development a bit. To me he looks like a pretty good bet to replace Staal in the next 2-3 years.

 

[pld459666]

failing the ability to get a center for Staal, would you be comfortable witha return of David Perron?

Oilers need D, and we could use a more consistent and capable offensive LW'er.

Kreider - Perron - Hagelin down the left side is pretty formidable.

 

[Ola]

Richards was supposed to be the guy for Nash. Never materialized. You go bring in another center and that guy has zero chemistry with Nash.

Yeah, but except one half decent year by Gabby and Nash, NOBODY ever scores even half-good numbers for us. Most years 60-65 pts is enough to lead this team in scoring.

It's not about finding one center that is a good fit for one winger. It's about creating an unit that has sources for offense that they constantly can revert to. That gets the numbers plus 65-70 pts.

We especially haven't had Ds that can open things up.

It's been like this for almost 10 years now. We all should know there is a lot more to this than individual ability. Gabby really struggled here for a long time, was benched repeatedly and played a lot on the 3rd line. Then he goes to CBJ and stinks tremendously before CBJ gives him away for free. Then he gets to play in that high scorin environment in LA, and scores a ton and is a big reason for them winning the cup.

 

[Raspewtin]

Yeah, but except one half decent year by Gabby and Nash, NOBODY ever scores even half-good numbers for us. Most years 60-65 pts is enough to lead this team in scoring.

It's not about finding one center that is a good fit for one winger. It's about creating an unit that has sources for offense that they constantly can revert to. That gets the numbers plus 65-70 pts.

We especially haven't had Ds that can open things up.

It's been like this for almost 10 years now. We all should know there is a lot more to this than individual ability. Gabby really struggled here for a long time, was benched repeatedly and played a lot on the 3rd line. Then he goes to CBJ and stinks tremendously before CBJ gives him away for free. Then he gets to play in that high scorin environment in LA, and scores a ton and is a big reason for them winning the cup.

A high scoring environment?

Weren't the Kings dead last in scoring in the NHL before getting Gaborik?

 

[jerseyjinx94]

Maybe Staal can be used as a basis to get a 1st rounder, which can then be flipped in a deal for a C?

Something like

Rangers get: C in question
Team B gets: Staal
Team C gets: 1st rounder, something from Rangers, something from Team B.

?

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Maybe Staal can be used as a basis to get a 1st rounder, which can then be flipped in a deal for a C?

Something like

Rangers get: C in question
Team B gets: Staal
Team C gets: 1st rounder, something from Rangers, something from Team B.

?

Maybe. Theres an awful lot of if's and something's in there.

I also dont want to be caught with our pants down to the point where the Rangers just traded their best chip for a pick that would be ready years down the road. Seems counter-intuitive to what the team is trying to do with MSL and Lundqvist getting up there in age.

 

[NYR Viper]

I wonder if someone like Marcus Johanssen or Lars Eller are going to be available for something reasonable as a new 3c. Both seem to need a change of scenery

 

[jerseyjinx94]

Maybe. Theres an awful lot of if's and something's in there.

I also dont want to be caught with our pants down to the point where the Rangers just traded their best chip for a pick that would be ready years down the road. Seems counter-intuitive to what the team is trying to do with MSL and Lundqvist getting up there in age.

Eh, I mainly meant it as a 3 way trade. I should have been more clear.

In other words, I was trying to say that the team interested in Staal doesn't have to be the team with the C - it can be a team with a 1st rounder that interests the team with the center.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

A high scoring environment?

Weren't the Kings dead last in scoring in the NHL before getting Gaborik?

The Kings scored like 4 goals per game in the playoffs. That's a pretty high scoring environment. They had a player on each line in the top 5 or 6 in playoff points.

 

[NYR Viper]

Maybe. Theres an awful lot of if's and something's in there.

I also dont want to be caught with our pants down to the point where the Rangers just traded their best chip for a pick that would be ready years down the road. Seems counter-intuitive to what the team is trying to do with MSL and Lundqvist getting up there in age.

Agreed, it would have to be an agreed upon 3-way deal.

I don't even know who could be available...

Would Dallas move Eakin?

Would SJ move Wingels?

Would Winnepeg move Little?

Would TB move one of their very good young promising centers?

Hard to know who is available.

 

[Raspewtin]

The Kings scored like 4 goals per game in the playoffs. That's a pretty high scoring environment. They had a player on each line in the top 5 or 6 in playoff points.

So?

Ola's point that Gabby came to a high scoring environment, therefore succeeded, is ********. The Kings could barely score before he came.

 

[Blue Blooded]

The Kings scored like 4 goals per game in the playoffs. That's a pretty high scoring environment. They had a player on each line in the top 5 or 6 in playoff points.

The Kings (like the Rangers) create a ton of scoring chances per game, but usually struggle to score. When they see a spike in Sh% over a small sample of games (like the playoffs) the goal total balloons.

This happened in the 2012 playoffs as well. As a whole, the Kings aren't a high scoring team.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

So?

Ola's point that Gabby came to a high scoring environment, therefore succeeded, is ********. The Kings could barely score before he came.

Eh, I disagree. The Kings are known to be low scoring during the regular season but really pick it up in the playoffs.

But I do agree with you that Gaborik fit really well on that line with Brown and Kopitar and balanced out their lines, if that's what you mean.

They had a guy on 3 lines, Kopitar, Carter, and Williams, in the top 5 (or like 8?) in scoring. That's a pretty balanced attack, and Gaborik isn't necessarily the reason for it, although he played a huge part in getting Kopitar so many points. I also believe Gaborik was up there in points, too.

He's not wrong about Gaborik. The guy was **** his last season here, got ran out of town by the coach because he played like a ***** and the coach is a ******, gets traded to Columbus, does nothing to help them make the playoffs, gets injured in Columbus, comes back plays like **** gets traded by a team trying to make the playoffs, and slides perfectly into a situation with a veteran group of guys who have won the Cup before and are known for raising their game to another level in the postseason.

I wouldn't say that his point is ******** at all.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Unfortunately, I don't think we'll be able to gauge Staal's value on the trade market until one the Spezza/Kesler deals goes down.

Like it's been said, Staal's trade value would be at its peak right now. He's coming off a Stanley Cup run where he played elite shutdown defense and proved a lot of critics wrong. I love Marc as a Ranger, but if the right package comes along, I think it would be smart to move him.

His return should yield a viable 2C and a high draft pick.

What about a trade to Detroit for Riley Sheahan, one of Abdelkader/Sproul/Oullet/Almquist, and either the 2014 or 2015 1st round pick?

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

I wonder if Toronto would move Kadri and their first (#8) overall for Staal. Shanahan played with Staal. Toronto could then flip Phaneuf, like has been rumored, for additional pieces that they may need.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

Unfortunately, I don't think we'll be able to gauge Staal's value on the trade market until one the Spezza/Kesler deals goes down.

Like it's been said, Staal's trade value would be at its peak right now. He's coming off a Stanley Cup run where he played elite shutdown defense and proved a lot of critics wrong. I love Marc as a Ranger, but if the right package comes along, I think it would be smart to move him.

His return should yield a viable 2C and a high draft pick.

What about a trade to Detroit for Riley Sheahan, one of Abdelkader/Sproul/Oullet/Almquist, and either the 2014 or 2015 1st round pick?

If you ask people on this board about Staal in the postseason, they'll act like he sucked balls.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

I wonder if Toronto would move Kadri and their first (#8) overall for Staal. Shanahan played with Staal. Toronto could then flip Phaneuf, like has been rumored, for additional pieces that they may need.

That's a hell of a price to pay for Staal. We'd have to add. Unless Toronto just has a brain fart, which they are prone to

 

[Fugazy]

I wonder if Toronto would move Kadri and their first (#8) overall for Staal. Shanahan played with Staal. Toronto could then flip Phaneuf, like has been rumored, for additional pieces that they may need.

I highly doubt they would include the #8 pick of the draft unless we threw in something else.