I think the offense gets a bit better, albeit less from Stepan and Brassard, and the defense suffers. Which pairing goes out to shutdown Crosby next season? That's my issue with trading Staal without having a real replacement for him. He's a top defenseman on this team; perhaps the best defensive defenseman (in my opinion). He's replaceable, but not with a rookie, and again, I think Stralman suffers with a much weaker defenseman as his partner.
Speculation: 2014 Offseason - Roster Building / Trade Speculation Thread III
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I think the offense gets a bit better, albeit less from Stepan and Brassard, and the defense suffers. Which pairing goes out to shutdown Crosby next season? That's my issue with trading Staal without having a real replacement for him. He's a top defenseman on this team; perhaps the best defensive defenseman (in my opinion). He's replaceable, but not with a rookie, and again, I think Stralman suffers with a much weaker defenseman as his partner.
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Brassard has arbitration rights and a similar player, with similar career numbers, signed for 4.5M/per. 3.7 won't get it done.
Zuccs... yeah, maybe. He has shown willingness to get paid less to stay with team.
I'd be surprised if Kreider doesn't get closer to 3M.
Stralman will get 4.5+ on the open market and he'll get term. If the Rangers really want to sign him, they'll need to go 6 years, at least, to get him IMHO. And even that (6Y x 4M = 24M) might not be enough.
Why would Brassard sign for his QO number?
Probably but I think he will ask for more.
Probably close to what he signs for. I see more towards the $2.75M but whatever..
See ya Stralman, He's going to get more.
No way do the Rangers make that deal. The Rangers aren't in a position to make that trade. Staal doesn't HAVE to be traded. The Rangers will go down the same road with Staal as they did with Girardi and Callahan. Wait it out until the deadline and either sign or trade him.
I can't think of the last guy the Rangers resigned in the summer going into the players last year before becoming a UFA. For whatever reason the Sather doesn't operate that way. Just because Staal wants to get it down this summer doesn't mean Sather will accommodate him. Henrik Lundqvist didn't get a contract last offseason.
The Rangers aren't moving Staal for picks and prospects. No way, not after making a run to the freakin Stanley Cup Final. Is it possible Staal gets traded? Sure, but not for Mantha and a 2nd round pick. Why would Sather make that move?
At the end of the season AV said that it was imperative for some of these young kids to step up. At what point can we expect them to get that opportunity? Everything I have read (mainly from Brooks) is that we are trying to keep the entire team together except for Richards. We saw how we fared against the bigger Western Conference, why would we bring back basically the same team? I understand we had the 4th best record since Christmas and we made the Stanley Cup, but that is not a guarantee that we will be back.
I know that JT Miller will get a shot to be a 3C, but I am not 100 percent sold on Brassard being a 2C. If we bring back Moore, Boyle, and Pouliot to multi year deals when do the prospects in the wing get a chance? I have read tons on Danny Kristo and recently saw that Leslie ranked him as our top prospect. He is 24 now and was wondering where he fits in. When are Lindberg and Fast going to get an opportunity at an every day spot? What are the ceilings of these 3 players? I am curious to why we don't maybe insert some of these young kids and maybe have the money to improve the C position or a big shot RD.
I know that JT Miller will get a shot to be a 3C, but I am not 100 percent sold on Brassard being a 2C. If we bring back Moore, Boyle, and Pouliot to multi year deals when do the prospects in the wing get a chance? I have read tons on Danny Kristo and recently saw that Leslie ranked him as our top prospect. He is 24 now and was wondering where he fits in. When are Lindberg and Fast going to get an opportunity at an every day spot? What are the ceilings of these 3 players? I am curious to why we don't maybe insert some of these young kids and maybe have the money to improve the C position or a big shot RD.
I think the consensus is that Boyle will be gone. Poo and Moore still need to be offered, and those offers need to be accepted, but at least two (Boyle and Richards) are gone from last season's lineup and we haven't heard many rumblings, except from in here, about others coming in.
Boyle loves it here and has earned a certain level of chance to prove he can do more.
If he is willing to give us 1 year at 2.75m,
and though we may expect longer term deals for mo $$, I think he would do that under the right circumstances,
the LW on the Brass - Zuc line should be his (replacing Pouilot).
I agree Boyle hasn't shown me an offensive vision at C, but he is fine enough on offense without the added responsibility IF you have the right combo with him, and he remains a superior FO and PK guy.
Is = or faster than Poo, is strong enough compared to Poo and, while not 100% error free, WAY more responsible than Pou.
Boyle - Bras - Zuc
that's the ticket.
I'd trade rights on Pou, but if he is UFA, it's zip to less than negligible, let him walk.
Getting Boyle back happy on 1 yr only for a good #, move Dorsett for late 2nd (Col's late 2nd from Flames), and also dumping Pou [no pun intended] out of the equation will save us $$ and repurpose assets wisely, instead of losing, e.g. letting Boyle walk.
Possibly one of the only things I completely agree with BRB on is that Sather is incredibly stingy and effective in getting RFA's to sign for the barebones.
Hagelin posted a 38 point season in 64 games the year he got his 2.25 bridge. Kreider 37 points in 63 games. Their playoff performances this year? Also similar. 2.25 seems likely, maybe even 2.5 if they decided to account for a rising cap. Can't see anything more.
I was under the impression that the Rangers had the option to sign Brassard at the QO of 3.7 and then Brassard would be a UFA if they did this. Perhaps the article I read explained it wrong and they'll have to go to arbitration, in which case... it makes even less sense to lock him up long term.
This is a guy who has never lived up to a top 2 line roll. He was given 1st line duties, 2nd line duties with the blue jackets... couldn't handle them. Given 2nd line duties to start the season... couldn't handle them. His line played opposing 3rd line pairings and they capitalized. He's not a 2c, and 4.5+ is too much for a 3rd liner who is putting up 45 points.
Zucc's agent said they were looking for 22mill for 5 years. Starting point. I think it'll end up closer to 4.1/4.2, just by negotiations and bargaining.
I think 4 for 5 could get it done for Stralman. I think he said that the most important thing is stability for him and his family. I also think he relishes the opportunity to play in NY with team mates he finds comfortable and something respectable and long-term he would accept, even if he's leaving 2 million on the table somewhere else.
Why less from Stepan or Brassard?
Step stays w/ the same line mates. He's been trending upward in production every year he's been in the league.
And I think that Staal's spot goes to Skjei in the next year and a half. Young, mobile, shut down defenseman who has an excellent head on his shoulders? If he leaves college, he could even get a cup of coffee in the NHL this year, if he continues developing at the rate he has over the last two years.
That roster does a few things for the team moving forward, one of which allows the team to appraise Allen's performance on that 2nd pairing. If, for some reason, he's not cutting it... they'll have the flexibility to trade for a LD at the deadline that can bear more responsibility and minutes.
I'm with you on Boyle, but not as a C.
Don't get me wrong, he is a stud who delivers on FOs, but I wouldn't try and force him to demonstrate highest level C playmaking ability.
No, he is the ideal fit with Zuc and Brass on that line.
As for Miller, I continue to maintain that his speed prompts him to fill the pivot with Kreider + MSL on wings.
Let Stepan + Nash work together, or let's trade for upgrade/cap space.
These are 3 guys with incentive and track record of working hard/having smarts.
Miscues on day 1? Likely, esp for a new line not used to each other.
Acceptable d well before end of season? Likely.
But when on offense....
speed kills, for us, and it's a thing of beauty.
I see your doubts, but
come to the bernmeister side.....
in the end it will be proven right (including to Kreider-Miller-MSL)
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I'd be up for trying Boyle at Wing of the 3rd line, but there is no way in hell he centers that line...
The other issue is that at what expense do we cater to Boyle's "demands"?
LW is Kreider, Hagelin, Pouliot
RW is Nash, MSL, Zuccarello
Which of those does Boyle ACTUALLY fit? Hagelin sticks in the top 6, Kreider is not moving, Poo resigning means that the Magic Wand line is going nowhere...
Even if we bend over for Boyle, I don't think it makes sense logistically, especially consider he's most effective for us on the 4th line....
So once again, big waste of cap $... Boyle should not be on the 3rd line
You are both simultaneously correct, literally, but not correct, practically.
Nash has NMC.
He wants to kill ANYTHING today, he can.
But he also has limited NTC after next year.
So he can wait for an entire year of hearing he's a great player, just not worth 7.8 of cap space, or he can consent to a move now.
Doesn't mean he has no choice in destination and will just get shipped anywhere.
But he can be shipped somewhere as of next year.
So the clock is ticking.
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Just a big time, hearty, LOL to anyone who considers Pouliot indispensable. Most overrate 35 pt forward I have ever seen. I would pay Boyle 2.5M over Pouliot.
I believe we agreed, but then you went to an alternate conclusion.
Agreed for the reasons I stated. But I was clear that except for FOs, for which he has demonstrated superior skill, he is the LW.
If anything the guy is catering to us.
He can get multiyear WAY more than the 2.5 m we are asking him to settle for on 1 year experiment.
No Poo.
That's the point. No more Poo, poo lapses on D, If he wuz the best finisher in the league, ok, but dat aint da case.
In the same way once he is a UFA automatically after this year, Talbot will want to be a starter --- and probably deserve it, too --- so does Boyle want more opportunity. Thinks he wants a real 2 way game, not just almost exclusive 4th line shutdown duties.
He's not telling us to bend over cause he wants to go there.
He's paid his dues and has earned it.
We'd be lucky if, since he loves NY so much, if there was a compromise and we gave him the opportunity, he do the one year for only 2.5m
I hope AV reads this with an open mind.
complete 180 from where we started!
respectfully disagree.
Boyle w/Brass/Zuc.
Same principle as all speed line so Miller w/Kreider + MSL; Boyle there (w/Brass/Zuc) is a natural fit.
I think we're on to something here, and I appreciate your approval of my suggestion.
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People calling to move Staal and sign Stastny, IMO are off. Why not move Staal for a cheaper, younger version of Stastny? Bryan Little maybe? Someone like that.
There were rumors Evander Kane may have been available. Staal for Kane? Another speedy power forward LWer. Fill the 3c spot from within.
I don't think, if the Rangers decide to move Staal, they would be looking for picks or prospects. Doesn't make sense with the moves they have made.
There were rumors Evander Kane may have been available. Staal for Kane? Another speedy power forward LWer. Fill the 3c spot from within.
I don't think, if the Rangers decide to move Staal, they would be looking for picks or prospects. Doesn't make sense with the moves they have made.
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I really, really hope that Danny Kristo is ready to step into NHL duties this season. This team desperately needs a right handed finisher. The question is if he's defensively responsible enough.
Also, LOL Flyers.
Also, LOL Flyers.
Anyone have an account to the Journal de Montreal?
Renaud Lavoie of TVA writes a column for that paper in Montreal
He wrote about Brassard but you need an account to read the story
http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2014/06/22/brassard-veut-rester-a-new-york
The headline is Brassard wants to stay in New York
Renaud Lavoie of TVA writes a column for that paper in Montreal
He wrote about Brassard but you need an account to read the story
http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2014/06/22/brassard-veut-rester-a-new-york
The headline is Brassard wants to stay in New York
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The reason our "third" line was so successful was beause Pouliot actually has the ability to put pucks in the back of the net. I love Boyle, but he has literally no ability to puck the put in the net, except a few times by chance.
how exactly will that line benefit from having Boyle on the wing if their production will go down ?
Disclaimer: I really, *really* want Boyle back on this team next season, he's a stud in his current role.. its unfortunate he has declared he has no interest in continuing in that position
how exactly will that line benefit from having Boyle on the wing if their production will go down ?
Disclaimer: I really, *really* want Boyle back on this team next season, he's a stud in his current role.. its unfortunate he has declared he has no interest in continuing in that position
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I agree, although I wouldn't exactly say Pouliot knows how to put the puck in the back of the net.
Good compliment to those other 2 but it would be nice to have someone else who can put up more goals. Brassard and MZA could have 5-10 more points.
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