Speculation: 2014 Offseason - Roster Building / Trade Speculation Thread II ‎

[BarbaraAlphanse]

Didn't Ottawa just finish their "rebuild"? Whatever.

I'd really like some news about players coming out. Want to get an idea of the centers on the market. Though I really like the idea of ROR or Kadri.

Kadri would be an interesting buy-low, considering that he was drafted to be a game changing 1c.

 

[Zil]

Kadri would be an interesting buy-low, considering that he was drafted to be a game changing 1c.

Kadri is a buy-low candidate only in that the Leafs are dumb enough to be sour on a 23-year-old who posted 50 points and good possession numbers.

 

[JaeTM]

I've been interested in Kadri for a while now. If we can get him on a buy low I think he can really thrive here.

Maybe we're just the team that revitalizes first round picks lol. Pouliot, Brassard, now Kadri?

 

[jcnyranger]

Curious - I don't see the Rangers getting ROR or Kadri; team has great chemistry and will have some changes but just some thoughts:

1. Boyle/Stralman will price themselves out of range (sorry Stralman is NOT worth $5 mil to us); Boyle is not a #2/#3 center and unless he plays with a stud winger will not score more than he does now. Value is as a face-off man and PK.

2. We do not have assets to make a trade for the ROR, Zibby or Kadri. NO TO THORTON and every over 32 guy that will cost us assets

3. Buy out Richards, let Boyle/Stralman/Pouliot walk. Sign someone like Bolland (for Center) or Michalek as a wing. Can afford both if you don't extend all RFA's now. Give McIlrath and Allen first shot at #6 D and move Klein up to pair with Staal.

Is that so horrible? Lots of consistency and only a few changes. Gives Miller and either Fast/Lindberg a chance to step up and replace Boyle/Pouliot

Kreider-Stepan-MSL
Hags-Bolland-Nash
Miller-Brass-Zucc
Fast-D. Moore-Dorsett

OR

Kreider-Stepan-MSL
Michalek-Brass-Nash
Hags-Miller-Zucc
Fast-D. Moore-Dorsett

IF BOTH

Kreider-Stepan-Nash
Michalek-Bolland-MSL
Hags-Brass-Zucc
Miller-D. Moore-Dorsett

McD-Girardi
Staal-Klein
J. Moore-McIlrath

Allen

Henrik
Talbot

 

[hi]

Bolland is not a #2 center

 

[JaeTM]

Why is everyone so quick to let Pouliot go? He was great outside of his bad start and was great in the playoffs except for a few bone headed penalties. He's big and pretty quick and has skill. He won't cost much either and has chemistry with Zucc and Brass. Re sign him please.

 

[Killem Dafoe]

If anything, I'd say try like Hell to keep the Poo Brass Zucc line together. At this point I would hope this team has learned to not pay for an individual, but for the chemistry of a group of players. Just my opinion. That line is a huge reason we even made it as far as we did in the post season.

 

[Raspewtin]

Kadri is a buy-low candidate only in that the Leafs are dumb enough to be sour on a 23-year-old who posted 50 points and good possession numbers.

Seriously this.

I really have no idea why their FO is so low on him.

The only thing that concerns me about him is he's garbage on faceoffs.

 

[Raspewtin]

If anything, I'd say try like Hell to keep the Poo Brass Zucc line together. At this point I would hope this team has learned to not pay for an individual, but for the chemistry of a group of players. Just my opinion. That line is a huge reason we even made it as far as we did in the post season.

They're all due for raises.

I think Pouliot goes elsewhere. I can't see Zucc or Brass leaving. Which is just fine, considering they're the real bus drivers on that line.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Why is everyone so quick to let Pouliot go? He was great outside of his bad start and was great in the playoffs except for a few bone headed penalties. He's big and pretty quick and has skill. He won't cost much either and has chemistry with Zucc and Brass. Re sign him please.

I have to agree with this. but then part of me wants to know how Brassard and Zucc would do with someone like MSL or Kreider... ya know?.. by why fix what isn't broke..

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

They're all due for raises.

I think Pouliot goes elsewhere. I can't see Zucc or Brass leaving. Which is just fine, considering they're the real bus drivers on that line.

Pouilot only made 1.3 this year.. I think he's probably tired of going team to team... give him some stability, a few years at 2M to 2.5 (max) and see what happens.

 

[Chief]

Curious - I don't see the Rangers getting ROR or Kadri; team has great chemistry and will have some changes but just some thoughts:

1. Boyle/Stralman will price themselves out of range (sorry Stralman is NOT worth $5 mil to us); Boyle is not a #2/#3 center and unless he plays with a stud winger will not score more than he does now. Value is as a face-off man and PK.

2. We do not have assets to make a trade for the ROR, Zibby or Kadri. NO TO THORTON and every over 32 guy that will cost us assets

3. Buy out Richards, let Boyle/Stralman/Pouliot walk. Sign someone like Bolland (for Center) or Michalek as a wing. Can afford both if you don't extend all RFA's now. Give McIlrath and Allen first shot at #6 D and move Klein up to pair with Staal.

Is that so horrible? Lots of consistency and only a few changes. Gives Miller and either Fast/Lindberg a chance to step up and replace Boyle/Pouliot

Kreider-Stepan-MSL
Hags-Bolland-Nash
Miller-Brass-Zucc
Fast-D. Moore-Dorsett

OR

Kreider-Stepan-MSL
Michalek-Brass-Nash
Hags-Miller-Zucc
Fast-D. Moore-Dorsett

IF BOTH

Kreider-Stepan-Nash
Michalek-Bolland-MSL
Hags-Brass-Zucc
Miller-D. Moore-Dorsett

McD-Girardi
Staal-Klein
J. Moore-McIlrath

Allen

Henrik
Talbot

I think a lot of this is spot on. Not sure about Bolland though. You don't bring in MSL and then put Dave Bolland as his center.

At the same time, I think we're going to wind up with Joe Thornton. I don't really want him, but this just seems like a Sather acquisition unfolding (see Nash, MSL, and Lindros, Jagr before them). Once this becomes Joe Thornton wants out and will only got to NY...well, we've seen that movie before. I also don't think it's a stretch to see D. Boyle signed to the Rangers.

 

[jcnyranger]

I think a lot of this is spot on. Not sure about Bolland though. You don't bring in MSL and then put Dave Bolland as his center.

At the same time, I think we're going to wind up with Joe Thornton. I don't really want him, but this just seems like a Sather acquisition unfolding (see Nash, MSL, and Lindros, Jagr before them). Once this becomes Joe Thornton wants out and will only got to NY...well, we've seen that movie before. I also don't think it's a stretch to see D. Boyle signed to the Rangers.

I see your point regarding MSL and Bolland; might be a good idea to switch him with Brass. I actually like Boyle (that only works with signing one of Michalek/Bolland); but am fine with that. I think if we get D. Boyle for 2 years at 2.5 per it upgrades the point on the PP and eases the loss of Stralman while McIlrath and Allen get a bit more experience.

I hear you on Thorton; and the one thing I will give Sather is he USUALLY does not overpay on trades and does fairly well IMO. SJ is not in a strong position to ask for a ton for Thorton if he has a NTC that he would only waive for the Rangers; but totally against giving up any key assets for him.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

I think Gorton has alot of influence now.. not sure Thornton strikes as a Gorton kinda guy.. at least not at his age now.

 

[CommaSynapse]

I keep reviewing the Cap Geek rosters. I think it's just an OCD thing at this point.

What if Nash, Step, and MSL comprised our first line, and Zuccs and Brass both got 2nd line duty with Kreider? It would leave the option to retain Pouliot and play Hagelin on the RW.

Would this roster be the worst thing?

Nash - Step - MSL
Kreider - Brass - Zuccs
Hagelin- ??? - ???
??? - Moore - Dorsett
Carcillo

McD - Girardi
Staal - Stralman
Moore - Klein
Diaz

This would allow us to keep the D together. It introduces some youth and more speed into the bottom 6. Kreider could replace what Pouliot does, and hopefully Nash would rebound playing with Step and MSL. It's a gamble, but it would allow us to stay under the cap and retain most of the team.

The question marks could easily be Miller, Fast, and Lindberg, a cheap UFA, or another guy like Haggerty. I'd leave the spots open and let them fight it out in camp. If the cap is $70 million, it leaves us 4.8 to address those spots. I don't see many attractive options on the market, and I'm not sure if we could pull off a trade for a guy like Kadri.


I like the fact that Klein can play top 4 if necessary in the case of any injury.

How much would Mason Raymond be? He's played RW, right?

A third line of Hags, Raymond, and a center with some speed would be killer.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I think Gorton has alot of influence now.. not sure Thornton strikes as a Gorton kinda guy.. at least not at his age now.

Don't discount AV's influence, either.

 

[DanielBrassard]

I keep reviewing the Cap Geek rosters. I think it's just an OCD thing at this point.

What if Nash, Step, and MSL comprised our first line, and Zuccs and Brass both got 2nd line duty with Kreider? It would leave the option to retain Pouliot and play Hagelin on the RW.

Would this roster be the worst thing?

Nash - Step - MSL
Kreider - Brass - Zuccs
Hagelin- ??? - ???
??? - Moore - Dorsett
Carcillo

McD - Girardi
Staal - Stralman
Moore - Klein
Diaz

This would allow us to keep the D together. It introduces some youth and more speed into the bottom 6. Kreider could replace what Pouliot does, and hopefully Nash would rebound playing with Step and MSL. It's a gamble, but it would allow us to stay under the cap and retain most of the team.

The question marks could easily be Miller, Fast, and Lindberg, a cheap UFA, or another guy like Haggerty. I'd leave the spots open and let them fight it out in camp. If the cap is $70 million, it leaves us 4.8 to address those spots. I don't see many attractive options on the market, and I'm not sure if we could pull off a trade for a guy like Kadri.


I like the fact that Klein can play top 4 if necessary in the case of any injury.

It's like a bad addiction isn't it? I'd prefer to keep Nash-St.Louis-Zucc on the right just for the depth factor.

 

[CommaSynapse]

It's like a bad addiction isn't it? I'd prefer to keep Nash-St.Louis-Zucc on the right just for the depth factor.

It really is.

Alright, so at that point, I'd just keep that third line together then. Or a 2A/2B option.

Kreider - Step - Nash
Hags - ??? - MSL
Poo - Brass - Zuccs
??? - Moore - Dorsett

So--if we kept the rest of the roster intact, that leaves about $3 mil in cap space to fill those spots. I'd consider calling Lindberg up to play the LW with the idea to have him take over the 4C spot next year.

If Hags and MSL are on a line together, I'd want to give them a C with some physicality.

My only concern about letting Stralman walk or trading Staal is who fits in their spot. Klein could move up, but would Moore look at good without him? It might be a growing pain we have no choice but to accept. Moving Staal would just open a LD hole unless we acquire a guy like Nikitin, but then there's really no cap savings.

So that kind of crosses Raymond out.

I wish Brian Gibbons was bigger. He seemed to play with some snarl against us, and I noticed his speed during the Pitt series. He's played all forward positions, but he's only 5'8" and not very good defensively, so I don't see him fitting well into either of those spots.

 

[aufheben]

Seriously this.

I really have no idea why their FO is so low on him.

The only thing that concerns me about him is he's garbage on faceoffs.

Leafs gonna Leaf.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Dave Nonis is a clown

he doesn't think puck possession is that important

 

[The Lunatic Fridge]

I rather they not bother going after kadri. Guy sounds like a headcase from the things that have come out of toronto about him. Typical party boy etc. We have enough talent on the team that shows up when they feel like it.

 

[RangerBoy]

If the Rangers could get a 1st round pick next Friday,Dylan Larkin

Larkin is a player that already looks like a pro. He plays an incredibly well-rounded game for a player his age; effective on the offensive end of the ice, and responsible defensively. He's got prototypical pro size and skates very well for a bigger forward. He played center for the NTDP squad this year, and had no difficulties handling the extra skating and defensive responsibilities the position requires.

Larkin is project mid-to-late first round, so the weaknesses here aren't huge. If there's anything keeping him from being a top-ten pick, it's that he doesn't quite have the high-end scoring potential of some of the offensive prospects ranked ahead of him.

Quite similar to the role he played this year for the NTDP. He doesn't quite have the scoring ability to be a first line center on a really good NHL team, but he would make a great second line center that plays both ends of the ice, and make the teammates around him better players. Guys that can play center like Larkin does at the NHL level are a rare and valuable commodity.

http://www.sbncollegehockey.com/201.../5797108/2014-nhl-draft-prospect-dylan-larkin

The scouting report on JT Miller is he will be a second line center on a winning NHL team. The Rangers need to give Miller an opportunity. The Rangers need their young players to give them cheap service. They can't bottom fish in the free agent market every year because they don't have the space to fill out out the roster after paying all of their top players. The Rangers were a strong team 1-18. All of their skaters could play. There weren't any Stu Bickels or Arron Asham's on the team. Miller needs to realize its time to wake up and grab hold of his opportunity.

 

[SupersonicMonkey*]

Why is everyone so quick to let Pouliot go? He was great outside of his bad start and was great in the playoffs except for a few bone headed penalties. He's big and pretty quick and has skill. He won't cost much either and has chemistry with Zucc and Brass. Re sign him please.

Personally, I very much hope we keep Pouliot. He was a great value guy. He won't cost a whole lot to keep. Keep that Pouliot-Brassard-Zuccarello line together. Don't mess with chemistry. No reason to completely dismantle the roster. Just a couple of changes.

All the talk coming from the guys is how close they are to one another both off and on the ice. Hopefully they try to keep that dynamic together. A group that has been through what they have been through, gotten as far as they have, and are so close knit, that's an advantage next season.

Let them continue to grow together.

Go less expensive in Richards' replacement, go with potential. Grab value guys.

 

[Leetch3]

The problem with Richard wasn't just the points.. Honestly, if he can put up 60 points (while not great for his cap hit) I'd take that.. Richards' problem is he's an absolute 100% liability when he's not scoring, because he can't play defense to save his life, and when his line is on the ice, it seems we can never get it out of the zone unless we throw it away and tell Hags to go get it..

If Stastny is a 60-70 pt player (albeit overpaid for that production) but plays the two way game like he's been doing in Colorado, winning face offs, creating chances, puck possession, etc.. then he's a big time upgrade.

i think he'd be a big upgrade too...but at worst i think he replaces richards and puts us back to the team that got to the finals.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Kadri is a buy-low candidate only in that the Leafs are dumb enough to be sour on a 23-year-old who posted 50 points and good possession numbers.

I bolded the important ones. Kadri. Leafs. Dumb. It is the leafs. They will do something stupid like trade him for a fraction of his value to the lowest bidder. That management team is one step away from turning into Garth Snow.