Speculation: 2014 Offseason - Roster Building / Trade Speculation Thread II ‎

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Hagelin is better than Zib.

 

[CommaSynapse]

Just for instance.... if we traded Staal + Miller for ROR.. Just an EXAMPLE! (no need to freak out)..

Our lines would be as follows..

Kreider-ROR-Nash
Zucc-Stepan-MSL
Hagelin-Brassard-?
? - Moore - Dorsett.

Mcdonagh-Girardi
Moore-Stralman (re sign)
Allen-Klein

The defense is weaker then last year, but the offense is much improved with skill, size, talent and depth. and most of the team (especially the core) is still in tact.

If that was the case, I'd leave Zucc with Brassard and keep Hags and MSL together. They played well with one another. Might not be a bad idea to move Nash or Kreider down to the 2nd line to better distribute some size. There's a few here who think Miller could play a Pouliot role with Brass and Zuccs.

Kreider - ROR - MSL
Hags - Stepan - Nash
Miller - Brass - Zuccs
Lindberg - Moore - Dorsett

Idea would be to start Lindberg on the wing with the intention to develop him as the fourth line center going forward, eventually moving up to the third down the line.

It keeps Brass and Zuccs together, who have been productive. It puts Kreider and ROR together to bang bodies and teams them with either Nash or MSL, who both have the ability to change the course of a game (if Nash feels so inclined...)

I'd like to leave Hags and MSL together if possible, but it may be necessary in some games to distribute size a little better.

McD - G --no-braine. Keep them together.

Moore - Stralman -- This is where I'm a little concerned. I'd much rather have Moore on the third pairing if possible, and it doesn't address the need of a real PMD. Moore has the potential to be an OFD, but he's not there yet. Stralman has a nice breakout pass and has a decent shot, so they could potentially work out with Stralman being a steadying presence.

Allen - Klein --- again, Klein would be the steadying D presence to help Allen learn the ropes. Allen looked okay in the few games he played, so it might be worth a shot.

I think there would be worse lineups--and there's always the option to try out Haggerty, McCarthy, and, of course, the promising trio in Lindberg, Miller, and Fast. We have options. Look at how teams like LA and the Ducks are able to work in their rookies. I think we can do it and avoid breaking the bank.

Perhaps I'm a bit optimistic, but this team now has a solid taste of playoff hockey . If Nash has a rebound season and most guys continue their development, this would be a fairly strong roster in my opinion. It hurts to lose Boyle, no question, but we'd have guys who can replace the PK minutes.

My only real concern on this roster is the lack of a true PMD and the introduction of so many young players, but a few have had a taste of NHL experience and played well in the A. It's the time to try it out.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

If that was the case, I'd leave Zucc with Brassard and keep Hags and MSL together. They played well with one another. Might not be a bad idea to move Nash or Kreider down to the 2nd line to better distribute some size. There's a few here who think Miller could play a Pouliot role with Brass and Zuccs.

Kreider - ROR - MSL
Hags - Stepan - Nash
Miller - Brass - Zuccs
Lindberg - Moore - Dorsett

Idea would be to start Lindberg on the wing with the intention to develop him as the fourth line center going forward, eventually moving up to the third down the line.

It keeps Brass and Zuccs together, who have been productive. It puts Kreider and ROR together to bang bodies and teams them with either Nash or MSL, who both have the ability to change the course of a game (if Nash feels so inclined...)

I'd like to leave Hags and MSL together if possible, but it may be necessary in some games to distribute size a little better.

McD - G --no-braine. Keep them together.

Moore - Stralman -- This is where I'm a little concerned. I'd much rather have Moore on the third pairing if possible, and it doesn't address the need of a real PMD. Moore has the potential to be an OFD, but he's not there yet. Stralman has a nice breakout pass and has a decent shot, so they could potentially work out with Stralman being a steadying presence.

Allen - Klein --- again, Klein would be the steadying D presence to help Allen learn the ropes. Allen looked okay in the few games he played, so it might be worth a shot.

I think there would be worse lineups--and there's always the option to try out Haggerty, McCarthy, and, of course, the promising trio in Lindberg, Miller, and Fast. We have options. Look at how teams like LA and the Ducks are able to work in their rookies. I think we can do it and avoid breaking the bank.

Perhaps I'm a bit optimistic, but this team now has a solid taste of playoff hockey . If Nash has a rebound season and most guys continue their development, this would be a fairly strong roster in my opinion. It hurts to lose Boyle, no question, but we'd have guys who can replace the PK minutes.

My only real concern on this roster is the lack of a true PMD and the introduction of so many young players, but a few have had a taste of NHL experience and played well in the A. It's the time to try it out.

It's going to be tough to find a PMD next year IMO.

 

[CommaSynapse]

It's going to be tough to find a PMD next year IMO.

It certainly seems like it. I'd be open to Gardiner, but they'd probably want an overpayment.

 

[RonGreschner]

Peter mueller

With Richards possibly being bought out, Boyle probably pricing himself out of the Rangers salary structure and Brassard's pending free agent status and the Rangers lack of NHL ready center's how would this team look with a possible signing of Mueller in the off season. I really haven't seen this guy play in 3 years is he a possible low cost high reward type of player that Sather could sign?

 

[aufheben]

Kreider - Miller - MSL
Boyle - Spezza - Zibby
Hagelin - Lindberg - Fast
Yogan - D. Moore - Haggerty
D
McD Jones
Allen Klein
Siemens McIlrath
Diaz

wut.

Eight rookies in the opening lineup? JT Miller as the #1C when he couldn't even crack the lineup over Carcillo in the playoffs? Boyle on the 2nd line? Allen on the 2nd pairing? Four rookies in the Bottom-6? Three rookies in the Bottom-4?

Why not just trade Staal for Spezza?

 

[Gardner McKay]

Maybe its me. But I'm not trading Hagelin for Zibby with out Ottawa adding something.

This kid has not impressed me one bit.

Me either. People want to break the bank for kids like Zibenjad & Barkov. AT the same time they don't want to acknowledge it is possible they never pan out. There is no 100% sure fire thing.

 

[Zil]

wut.

Seven rookies in the opening lineup? JT Miller as the #1C when he couldn't even crack the lineup over Carcillo in the playoffs? Boyle on the 2nd line? Allen on the 2nd pairing? Four rookies in the Bottom-6?

At this point wouldn't a rational proposal from bernmeister be far more surprising than a bat**** crazy one? I'm saving my "wut" for when he suggest some minor tweaks while maintaining our positive momentum. I suspect I'll be hanging onto it for a while.

 

[Machinehead]

Nick Bonino. He does alot of the things we need at center. Go get him.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Nick Bonino. He does alot of the things we need at center. Go get him.

why would ANA move him though?.. unless they ended up with Spezza

 

[Machinehead]

why would ANA move him though?.. unless they ended up with Spezza

For Staal perhaps.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

For Staal perhaps.

Oof... He had a hell of a year last year.. but he played on a damn good team.. and he's 27 which isn't old.. but I just hope if we were to do that, he's not a 1 year wonder ya know?

 

[Machinehead]

Oof... He had a hell of a year last year.. but he played on a damn good team.. and he's 27 which isn't old.. but I just hope if we were to do that, he's not a 1 year wonder ya know?

Yeah but we may be forced into a position where we have to take risks. We need a versatile possession center. It's the type of player nobody gives up. Bonino is the only realistic option without selling our souls for O' Reilly.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Stastny will be overpaid (and not sure he comes here), but doesn't he do the kinda stuff we also need?.. size, possession, goals, face offs?..

 

[Machinehead]

Stastny doesn't strike me as the big two-way center we need. I think he's just a younger, faster Richards, which isn't the worst thing in the world, but doesn't change all that much.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

Bern has gone off the deep end.

I don't even have a response those trades are so ridiculous. That team would finish last in the division.

 

[Machinehead]

Bern has gone off the deep end.

I don't even have a response those trades are so ridiculous. That team would finish last in the division.

What? How could Boyle in the top 6 not be a good idea?

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

A few random thoughts:

I like Ryan O'Reilly as a player but he's not a great skater and he's bent his Avalanche team over twice already in contract negotiations and he's not even that close to being a UFA yet. This guy has already held out--past training camp and into the regular season. How many young players do that? People *****ed about Dubinsky. He didn't go that far. ROR is a very good young player but not an elite player--and that should be kept in mind. If we get him--he's going to be costly in terms of players going the other way and cap $'s and when he finally hits UFA it's best to assume that he'll be hiring on with the highest bidder. There's a pretty decent chance he'll turn into a headache someway or somehow.

I agree. ROR is a solid player, he'd be a welcome addition on the ice. However, I think the headache he will cause with his contract is something many are overlooking. He's had, what, two good seasons? One where he wasn't even lining up at center. And he wants to be paid 6.5m+ per season? If we trade for him and give him that, you can sure as hell bet that Stepan will be looking at the exact same thing, possibly more.

I see ROR and Stepan as very similar players. Not great skaters, high hockey IQ. ROR isn't the bonafide #1 center that many are making him out to be. Very good player, but also very similar to Stepan.

The whole contract thing is absolutely a problem waiting to happen, honestly, who wants that headache and the possible rift it could cause in the room? I don't know, I like ROR the player, but I'm not as high on him as most are.

 

[Raspewtin]

I agree with the previous posters, Zibby is no doubt talented but he has never impressed me at the NHL level at all. He's not a center I'm willing to pay hard for.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

I agree with the previous posters, Zibby is no doubt talented but he has never impressed me at the NHL level at all. He's not a center I'm willing to pay hard for.

He's also 21 though. Got to believe that eventually he'll mature physically and that will translate to more offensive production.

 

[Raspewtin]

He's also 21 though. Got to believe that eventually he'll mature physically and that will translate to more offensive production.

Oh, absolutely. I agree that he's immensely talented.

But he's definitely not a player I'd be willing to pay out the ass for.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

Oh, absolutely. I agree that he's immensely talented.

But he's definitely not a player I'd be willing to pay out the ass for.

I wanted him for Del Zotto after our ECF run. Was hoping that maximizing value for DZ while buying during a player's low price could have worked to our advantage.

I don't know what it would take to get him. I doubt we can because the way Ott is headed is towards a rebuild.

 

[Raspewtin]

I wanted him for Del Zotto after our ECF run. Was hoping that maximizing value for DZ while buying during a player's low price could have worked to our advantage.

I don't know what it would take to get him. I doubt we can because the way Ott is headed is towards a rebuild.

Didn't Ottawa just finish their "rebuild"? Whatever.

I'd really like some news about players coming out. Want to get an idea of the centers on the market. Though I really like the idea of ROR or Kadri.

 

[Leetch3]

Stastny doesn't strike me as the big two-way center we need. I think he's just a younger, faster Richards, which isn't the worst thing in the world, but doesn't change all that much.

he's probably more of a 1A like stepan then a true #1...but he does alot of things we need and would at the very least replace richards

but the one thing that is the biggest plus to him (assuming he'd even want to come here) is that he's a UFA. would i take stastny over spezza straight up? no. but if you can make the cap hits work i'd take stastny and keeping marc staal over spezza and no staal.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

he's probably more of a 1A like stepan then a true #1...but he does alot of things we need and would at the very least replace richards

but the one thing that is the biggest plus to him (assuming he'd even want to come here) is that he's a UFA. would i take stastny over spezza straight up? no. but if you can make the cap hits work i'd take stastny and keeping marc staal over spezza and no staal.

The problem with Richard wasn't just the points.. Honestly, if he can put up 60 points (while not great for his cap hit) I'd take that.. Richards' problem is he's an absolute 100% liability when he's not scoring, because he can't play defense to save his life, and when his line is on the ice, it seems we can never get it out of the zone unless we throw it away and tell Hags to go get it..

If Stastny is a 60-70 pt player (albeit overpaid for that production) but plays the two way game like he's been doing in Colorado, winning face offs, creating chances, puck possession, etc.. then he's a big time upgrade.