2014 Draft Thread – Part Four

[FamilyGuy716]

Why do I have a sick to my stomach feeling that we won't win the lottery and the team that does takes Reinhart? Unless we, NJ or Edmonton win the lottery I think we lose out on Reinhart . If we do pick #2 I give whoever has #1 as many 2nds as they want to swap picks so we can get Reinhart.

The absolute worst case scenario is that the Isles win the lottery. They would definitely defer to 2015 and are 100% taking Sam R because they already have his brother. That would make me so ****ing angry I would Lose it and only us getting McDavid or Eichel with the Isles 2015 1st would be the only thing to make up for it.

After listening to Murray, I think he might like Bennett more than Reinhart. I don't think we can go wrong with either "Sam"

 

[OkimLom]

Nah that's just you being hopeful

Yeah, thats part of it, but I can see Florida liking Draisatl's toolset and his ability to play more of a winger's game more than Bennett's. He would be a really good winger for a guy like Bjugstad or Barkov.

I'm not saying it WILL be that. I'm saying that I can see it happening.

 

[Superhero]

For me it has to come down to one of the Sams. Rienhart seems to be a bit better offensively. Bennett seem to be the more complete player of any forward in the draft. I prefer Bennett, but it would be great if Murray could somehow get both.

 

[Jim Bob]

For me it has to come down to one of the Sams. Rienhart seems to be a bit better offensively. Bennett seem to be the more complete player of any forward in the draft. I prefer Bennett, but it would be great if Murray could somehow get both.

The only way the Sabres land both is if the Islanders win the lottery and give the Sabres the 2014 pick because they are afraid of giving up McDavid and Murray goes BFA+BFA instead of Ekblad+BFA.

 

[McCauleyChirps]

The only way the Sabres land both is if the Islanders win the lottery and give the Sabres the 2014 pick because they are afraid of giving up McDavid and Murray goes BFA+BFA instead of Ekblad+BFA.

Or Edmonton wins and takes Ekblad, we take a Sam 2nd, and the other Sam slides to 5.

 

[DazedandConfused]

Or we get the Isles 1st this year in that 4-6 range and Murray makes a trade up with the abundance of assets we currently have.

 

[Jim Bob]

Or Edmonton wins and takes Ekblad, we take a Sam 2nd, and the other Sam slides to 5.

I would be surprised if one of them slid to 5.

Or we get the Isles 1st this year in that 4-6 range and Murray makes a trade up with the abundance of assets we currently have.

I don't see a team trading out of that top tier merely for picks.

 

[Ness]

If Buffalo somehow ended up with two of the "Big 3" of this draft....man. MAN.

 

[ZeroPT*]

Yeah, thats part of it, but I can see Florida liking Draisatl's toolset and his ability to play more of a winger's game more than Bennett's. He would be a really good winger for a guy like Bjugstad or Barkov.

I'm not saying it WILL be that. I'm saying that I can see it happening.

they already have 2 big top 6 centers in Barkov and Bjugstad so I don't think they'd go after another. Bennett fits better but I think they go Dal Colle unless they win the lotto.

BUF-Reinhart
EDM-Ekblad
FLA-Dal Colle
CGY-Bennett
NYI-Draisaitl

 

[Superhero]

What if the Sabres traded Christian Erhoff, Luke Adam, and the rest of their draft picks this year for Edmonton pick?

The Sabres would give up a lot, but would still be loaded with prospects and have 2 top line players for the future and they would still have the Islanders and their own pick next year. Maybe it sounds unlikely to happen but it could make sense for both teams.

 

[yahhockey]

It's crazy but if TM thought that the groundwork has already been laid for the rebuild and that the next two drafts are only to find the future first line then why not go crazy and give up a late first and two seconds or three seconds plus the later round picks. Obviously it would only happen if the scouting staff fell in love with a prospect and were confident in his future success. The potential Erhoff recapture may be the scariest part of the trade.

A similar trade could be made in 2015 instead for the same reasons. Not that you could acquire a McDavid or Eichel this way (if they pan out into the top prospects everyone believes they will be) but if there was someone else in the draft the front office thought highly of then maybe pull the trigger.

This is of course mostly NHL14 video game talk. Similar trades have been few and far between in real life...right? Eric Lindross comes to mind but not quite the same situation since it was for players, 2 first rounders and cash instead of a gaggle of draft picks.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

What if the Sabres traded Christian Erhoff, Luke Adam, and the rest of their draft picks this year for Edmonton pick?

The Sabres would give up a lot, but would still be loaded with prospects and have 2 top line players for the future and they would still have the Islanders and their own pick next year. Maybe it sounds unlikely to happen but it could make sense for both teams.

No one wants Luke Adam.

And I asked about trading CE for that same pick earlier in this thread and was given a lot of good reasons why that would never happen. It would have to be Myers. You really have to give up something painful in order to get something that great. If it doesn't hurt bad to get rid of a piece, then it's probably not attractive to the Oilers.

 

[TossinSauce]

No one wants Luke Adam.

And I asked about trading CE for that same pick earlier in this thread and was given a lot of good reasons why that would never happen. It would have to be Myers. You really have to give up something painful in order to get something that great. If it doesn't hurt bad to get rid of a piece, then it's probably not attractive to the Oilers.

Erhoff is pretty painful, we have the risk of recapture and his salary is cheap as dirt right now.

 

[Heraldic]

No one wants Luke Adam.

And I asked about trading CE for that same pick earlier in this thread and was given a lot of good reasons why that would never happen. It would have to be Myers. You really have to give up something painful in order to get something that great. If it doesn't hurt bad to get rid of a piece, then it's probably not attractive to the Oilers.

Previously I was against trading Ehrhoff. But if you really can reduce significantly the recapture penalty by retaining 50% of Ehrhoff's salary, I would consider trading him. I mean the value of Ehrhoff with 2 mil. caphit would be enoumous.

 

[Reddawg]

Previously I was against trading Ehrhoff. But if you really can reduce significantly the recapture penalty by retaining 50% of Ehrhoff's salary, I would consider trading him. I mean the value of Ehrhoff with 2 mil. caphit would be enoumous.

I don't think we're allowed any more retained salary, are we? Or does it reset every offseason?

 

[dotcommunism]

I don't think we're allowed any more retained salary, are we? Or does it reset every offseason?

You can only retain salary on three SPCs at a time, but all three of the SPCs Buffalo is retaining salary on expire this offseason

 

[Jim Bob]

What if the Sabres traded Christian Erhoff, Luke Adam, and the rest of their draft picks this year for Edmonton pick?

The Sabres would give up a lot, but would still be loaded with prospects and have 2 top line players for the future and they would still have the Islanders and their own pick next year. Maybe it sounds unlikely to happen but it could make sense for both teams.

I wouldn't give up a 1st and 2 2nds or 3 2nds on top of Ehrhoff for #2 overall.

Ehrhoff + either StL 1st or Buf 2nd would be an intriguing offer.

But, I doubt Edmonton wants to do that deal. If Ekblad is there for the Oilers, I expect them to just use the pick.

 

[sabres4ever]

Whatever happens, I trust Tim Murray to make the right decision. He has a vision, and no matter what the situation is, it seems like he would make the right choice in a very short amount of time. You know he's already rehearsing mock drafts in his head.

 

[WNY to NoVA]

i'd much rather seem them try to move up to 6-8 and grab ehlers with a 2nd 1st

 

[Old Navy Goat]

i'd much rather seem them try to move up to 6-8 and grab ehlers with a 2nd 1st

That would work for me, but I wouldn't be too heartbroken if they would call Ritchie's name in that situation. However, I would really rather have them stand pat and use (hopefully St Louis's 1st) or our 2nd on Demko.

 

[McCauleyChirps]

What if the Sabres traded Christian Erhoff, Luke Adam, and the rest of their draft picks this year for Edmonton pick?

The Sabres would give up a lot, but would still be loaded with prospects and have 2 top line players for the future and they would still have the Islanders and their own pick next year. Maybe it sounds unlikely to happen but it could make sense for both teams.

Garth Snow, is that you?

For reference: http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2012/06/25/garth-snow-channeled-his-inner-ditka-at-the-nhl-draft/

 

[haseoke39]

What if the Sabres traded Christian Erhoff, Luke Adam, and the rest of their draft picks this year for Edmonton pick?

The Sabres would give up a lot, but would still be loaded with prospects and have 2 top line players for the future and they would still have the Islanders and their own pick next year. Maybe it sounds unlikely to happen but it could make sense for both teams.

What would Edmonton want with all those picks?

 

[Superhero]

The Sabres are so loaded with prospects right now they need to start packaging players to land top end forwards. they could keep their top pick this year and package the rest of this years draft along with Erhoff.

They could have Bennett, Rienhart, The Islanders pick, Next years #1, Girginsons, Grigorenko, Armia, Compher, Fasching, Baptiste, Bailey, Larson, Hurley and others to go along with a loaded defense and the players already on the Sabres team. its time to start getting high end players.

 

[McCauleyChirps]

The Sabres are so loaded with prospects right now they need to start packaging players to land top end forwards. they could keep their top pick this year and package the rest of this years draft along with Erhoff.

They could have Bennett, Rienhart, The Islanders pick, Next years #1, Girginsons, Grigorenko, Armia, Compher, Fasching, Baptiste, Bailey, Larson, Hurley and others to go along with a loaded defense and the players already on the Sabres team. its time to start getting high end players.

Bolded: You mean defensive prospects.

Underlined: Remains to be seen if they are NHL regulars. After Grigo, there obviously is a drop off. Remember we need 12 forwards on an NHL team.

 

[Paxon]

Bolded: You mean defensive prospects.

Underlined: Remains to be seen if they are NHL regulars. After Grigo, there obviously is a drop off. Remember we need 12 forwards on an NHL team.

Guys like Compher and Baptiste are near guarantees to be NHLers. As to them not being very high-end forward prospects, that's his point. We have a number of legitimate forward prospects (likely NHLers) as well as an obscene number of high draft picks. We need elite talent. He's suggesting trading a quantity of picks that are very unlikely to produce 1st line forwards for a pick that is likely to produce a 1st line forward.