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WC: 2014 Division IB • Apr. 20-26 • General Discussion (Mod warning post 453)

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cave troll said:
Yes, but player eligibility is clearly defined by IIHF.
Thats why Kostovic and Martinovic are playing for us, or why Mihaly, Bartalis and Hari are playing for Hungary, or why Tim Bozon opted for France and so on....
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Naturalisation (regardless of heritage or whether they have a funny last name or not) is what I do not agree with. If you never played hockey in that country before you were an adult, you should not be allowed to play for them.

I know IIHF is far more restrictive than most sports but their rules are still wrong. In a few years the Croatian team will be full of KHL players, even if GB iced a team full of naturalised players we wouldn't stand a chance because we just have the EIHL, because Russian oligarchs didn't put a team in our country. How is that fair?
 
Lehman, Chambers, Fussey, Hoad, Ward, Wilson, Pope, Johnson, Ellis, Neilson, Hutchins and bunch of other Canadians who played for GB all this years?
No problem about their eligibility all these years?
 
cave troll said:
Lehman, Chambers, Fussey, Hoad, Ward, Wilson, Pope, Johnson, Ellis, Neilson, Hutchins and bunch of other Canadians who played for GB all this years?
No problem about their eligibility all these years?
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Yes there were problems with it, and now we have none in the team, because many many people, including myself, do not want them there.

If the GB team was filled with EIHL Canadians I would not support them. I want to watch players who were developed in the junior system I am a part of, not an EIHL all star team.
 
Yes, but that's the British problem. You relied on imports for many years and now you don't want others to use the same practice?
 
You had established hockey program good enough for this level. We didn't. We started with serious pro hockey barely 5 years ago. We have 3 players that don't have ethnic connections with Croatia. Get over it now and talk about the damn games. If we don't care certainly some foreigner won't tell us whats good or bad for us.
 
Medo said:
You had established hockey program good enough for this level. We didn't. We started with serious pro hockey barely 5 years ago. We have 3 players that don't have ethnic connections with Croatia. Get over it now and talk about the damn games. If we don't care certainly some foreigner won't tell us whats good or bad for us.
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No we didn't, you are completely wrong, in the 90s we did exactly what you are doing now. We went from the D division to the top pool in 4 years.
 
Our NT will never b overflowing with foreigners. There will b always a few to speed up croatian hockey development n player develppment (no not gona elaborate read beginnin of d thread). Croatans born outside of croatia are still croatians not foregners especially people like Martinovic. Period. U can have ur opinion i have mine. So end with that.
Sound i blame u for this discussion again :p lol why couldnt u stay quiet till the championship is over lol
 
Propane Nightmares said:
The "considering yourself" a nationality is all a load of rubbish

You should only be allowed to play for the country where you learned hockey, if that's more than one, you're allowed to choose.

IIHF competition is meant to reflect the standard of play and development system of a nation, not which nations brought over the best Canadians and others, regardless of their heritage. That would be like sending Manchester United or Real Madrid to the world cup, it just becomes a club competition.
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When you play in a national team, then you represent your nation, not your hockey-programm.
 
Also if you cannot make a difference between someone like Kostović or Martinović and some ECHL mercenary then you know absolutely nothing about the situation. Nothing. Even between some ECHL player and someone like Letang who has been in Croatia for 5 years.
 
Ivan94 said:
When you play in a national team, then you represent your nation, not your hockey-programm.
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Clearly you've never read the IIHF Statutes and Bylaws :laugh:

It is the objective of the IIHF that national teams competing in IIHF championships shall reflect the status and standard of the sport as
currently played by both citizens of and citizens in the country concerned and to protect the integrity of international competition.
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It's hilarious they say this and have such hypocritical eligibility rules
 
Scarecrow Boat said:
As a GB fan, I don't want to say anything because I want Liam Stewart on the senior team ;)
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But didn't you tell me you wanted to punch your laptop when Christiansen said he would consider taking dual nationals? :laugh: The only difference between Liam Stewart and Corey Neilson and co. is he's not allowed to play for the country he grew up and played all his hockey in because he's not a citizen. He's probably "worse" than those guys in fact because he never played hockey here at all.
 
Propane Nightmares said:
But didn't you tell me you wanted to punch your laptop when Christiansen said he would consider taking dual nationals? :laugh: The only difference between Liam Stewart and Corey Neilson and co. is he's not allowed to play for the country he grew up and played all his hockey in because he's not a citizen.
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Ye I hate the idea of dual nats... Mainly because they come along at 35+ and take away the spot from an actually player from that country.

Liam Stewart is a career Brit. He wanted to go to U18s & U20s and finally got to play in the U20s this year. He's not just some guy who happened to sign in EIHL and then decided he'd represent GB because he was asked to :laugh:
 
If a player is eligible and will wear the jersey proudly then he has as much right as anyone to represent whichever nation concerned.
 
Lynx54321 said:
If a player is eligible and will wear the jersey proudly then he has as much right as anyone to represent whichever nation concerned.
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Then it becomes EIHL all over. GB would rather buy some import > developing their own players lol

GB has moved away from it and they're playing at the same level as when they were loaded with dual nats.

Croatia is using dual nats as band aids to keep them in a respectable division and allow their young guys to play depth roles and get experience in better groups than D2.

I can respect that but the day there are 7 actual Croatians that can fill those roles, I'd call bs (ITALY)
 
Propane Nightmares said:
The "considering yourself" a nationality is all a load of rubbish

You should only be allowed to play for the coun[try where you learned hockey, if that's more than one, you're allowed to choose.
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Exactly. It's really as simple as that.

Shifting borders, Balkans, economical emigrants, national identity, etc. none of this BS make any difference whatsoever.


Propane Nightmares said:
No we didn't, you are completely wrong, in the 90s we did exactly what you are doing now. We went from the D division to the top pool in 4 years.
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Besides, what difference does it make anyway? If your hockey program is not good enough to get you to Div I, just don't play in Div I and that will be it, somebody else equally deserving will play there instead.
 
Ivan94 said:
When you play in a national team, then you represent your nation, not your hockey-programm.
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National teams do not represent nations, they represent countries. I guess the term "national team" is a bit of a misnomer. See for instance countries with two nations: they don't get to ice two national teams.
 
Lynx54321 said:
If a player is eligible and will wear the jersey proudly then he has as much right as anyone to represent whichever nation concerned.
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Except many of them don't wear it proudly. Half of the dual nationals who suited up for GB buggered off back to Canada after they retired from hockey.

I can understand someone wanting to play for the country of their heritage, I really can, Liam Stewart went well out of his way to get eligibility for GB. But the problem is how do you separate those players from the ones who have just come over to Europe because they didn't make it in North America and then got talked into playing for the national team? A Canadian with a last name beginning with "Mc" could lie and convince everyone that he greatly identifies with Scotland, just as easily as a player with a Croatian last name who actually considers himself a Croat.

How do you stop people exploiting the system? Just don't allow any of them. Only play for the countries where you were trained.
 
Propane Nightmares said:
How do you stop people exploiting the system? Just don't allow any of them. Only play for the countries where you were trained.
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I'd tweak that to if a player wasn't eligible for the U18 or U20 team, he isn't eligible for the Senior team.

You have to commit early or not at all.
 
Propane Nightmares said:
That's not a bad idea, it would then allowed the special cases like Liam Stewart to play, but the thing with him is, he's only not allowed to play for USA because of a technicality
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He could have easily got American citizenship but he didn't want it lol

Same thing with Brendan Perlini. He could have committed to GB but instead he decided he wanted to rep Canada so if in 10 years his career flames out and he goes to Europe, he can't change his mind to play for GB.
 
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