2014 CBJ Training Camp Thread (9/19-10/8)

[Nanabijou]

You've got 14 F's leaving room for only 7 D. Going to come down to if they want to keep Golobuef or an extra F. Could be decided on who is less likely to be claimed which I guess would be one of the forwards. Could also be decided by Murray's status, at least temporarily.But who knows?

I think you're right- Rychel goes (and probably would benefit from lots of time in Springfield). As to who goes when Jenner and hopefully Joey return I think the performances between opening night and then will make the decision easier.

I agree in that I think they'll start with 13 F and 8 D. They'd be taking a pretty good risk putting Golo on waivers, I think, and if Murray comes back and it's found he's not quite ready - well, then we could really use Golo going forward. We have young forwards who can go back and forth from Springfield immune from the waiver wire if the injury bug strikes a couple more forwards.

I don't want to see someone like Rychel yo-yo back and forth all year, but it's a reasonable backup plan right now while Boone is out and Joey is eating Big Macs in British Columbia.

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

You've got 14 F's leaving room for only 7 D. Going to come down to if they want to keep Golobuef or an extra F. Could be decided on who is less likely to be claimed which I guess would be one of the forwards. Could also be decided by Murray's status, at least temporarily.But who knows?

I think you're right- Rychel goes (and probably would benefit from lots of time in Springfield). As to who goes when Jenner and hopefully Joey return I think the performances between opening night and then will make the decision easier.

I was banking on having only 7 D. Either Murray starts the season IR for a week until he's up to game speed or they resolve the Goloubef situation gets resolved somehow.

Maybe they do start the season with 8 D but that's going to be a short term situation until some sort of trade happens.

 

[KJ Dangler]

Unless this has changed, can't all3 play up to 10 games, without burning a yr if their contract ? With our initial injuries, and Rychel knack of playing in front of net, wouldn't be surprised if he stuck initially. Although that's a lot of rookies in the lineup.

 

[EspenK]

I was banking on having only 7 D. Either Murray starts the season IR for a week until he's up to game speed or they resolve the Goloubef situation gets resolved somehow.

Maybe they do start the season with 8 D but that's going to be a short term situation until some sort of trade happens.

Why do you think that? I think Golo is more likely to be claimed than a 4th liner and once the guy is down he can come back up risk free. Plus there are other guys in Springfield who could come up for a couple of games either risk free (Rychel, Anderson) or essentially risk free (Collins and Craig).

Bottom line is whether they want to keep Golo for sure. I know he cleared a few times in the past but there is a significant drop off in talent behind him in the system now that Nikitin is gone and Erixon is on a one way deal. I think he stays.

 

[Fro]

Unless this has changed, can't all3 play up to 10 games, without burning a yr if their contract ? With our initial injuries, and Rychel knack of playing in front of net, wouldn't be surprised if he stuck initially. Although that's a lot of rookies in the lineup.

i believe those rules changed with the new CBA

 

[EspenK]

Unless this has changed, can't all3 play up to 10 games, without burning a yr if their contract ? With our initial injuries, and Rychel knack of playing in front of net, wouldn't be surprised if he stuck initially. Although that's a lot of rookies in the lineup.

i believe those rules changed with the new CBA

Not sure about changes, I thought it was still 9 and then back to JUNIORS. I think if you're playing in the A it still burns a year.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Not sure about changes, I thought it was still 9 and then back to JUNIORS. I think if you're playing in the A it still burns a year.

This, if he was junior eligible he could have the 9 games and could go back without burning a year, but since he is AHL eligible, a year will be burned regardless.

 

[Fro]

This, if he was junior eligible he could have the 9 games and could go back without burning a year, but since he is AHL eligible, a year will be burned regardless.

ahhhh gotcha...that makes sense...

 

[NotWendell]

Why do you think that? I think Golo is more likely to be claimed than a 4th liner and once the guy is down he can come back up risk free. Plus there are other guys in Springfield who could come up for a couple of games either risk free (Rychel, Anderson) or essentially risk free (Collins and Craig).

Bottom line is whether they want to keep Golo for sure. I know he cleared a few times in the past but there is a significant drop off in talent behind him in the system now that Nikitin is gone and Erixon is on a one way deal. I think he stays.

I think so too. I think we'll roll with 7 defensemen.

 

[major major]

He's a good skater. That's it. Decent on the cycle because of his speed and he'll throw the body around often but most of his checks are pretty much pointless. Boll is a better at everything other than speed. I'd rather have a handful of these guys over Tropp.

With Boll you're giving the puck away much more often, which means less possession for his linemates. Remember when Letestu and D-Mac went on that scoring spree in the second half last year? Tropp piled up plenty of secondary assists from that, just through keeping the cycle going long enough for the more skilled guys to finish the play. That doesn't happen with Boll.

 

[major major]

I was banking on having only 7 D. Either Murray starts the season IR for a week until he's up to game speed or they resolve the Goloubef situation gets resolved somehow.

Maybe they do start the season with 8 D but that's going to be a short term situation until some sort of trade happens.

I'm not sure that its really a short term situation. We'll probably have enough injuries that all 8 will see action, and even if they don't see much action, we could keep Golo as a spare for most of the season and just give him spot duty.

Why do you think that? I think Golo is more likely to be claimed than a 4th liner and once the guy is down he can come back up risk free. Plus there are other guys in Springfield who could come up for a couple of games either risk free (Rychel, Anderson) or essentially risk free (Collins and Craig).

Bottom line is whether they want to keep Golo for sure. I know he cleared a few times in the past but there is a significant drop off in talent behind him in the system now that Nikitin is gone and Erixon is on a one way deal. I think he stays.

I agree on not sending Golo down, but our #9D is Frederic St. Denis, and he might be an okay callup. To be honest, I'm not sure if there is much of a difference between him and Goloubef. Anyone?

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

I'm not sure that its really a short term situation. We'll probably have enough injuries that all 8 will see action, and even if they don't see much action, we could keep Golo as a spare for most of the season and just give him spot duty.



I agree on not sending Golo down, but our #9D is Frederic St. Denis, and he might be an okay callup. To be honest, I'm not sure if there is much of a difference between him and Goloubef. Anyone?

I've been a fan of Golo's for some time, considering him on par with guys like Moore and Savard (not exact matches, but with the same career potential), but he's struggled to get chances despite playing pretty well when he gets them. Perhaps he hasn't developed as well as the organization hoped or maybe I've just plain been wrong but I figure he'll be exposed to waivers at some point. I've given up predicting whether a guy is going to get claimed or not.

 

[I am Canadian]

How did D'amigo end up doing?

 

[Tonysil]

I've been a fan of Golo's for some time, considering him on par with guys like Moore and Savard (not exact matches, but with the same career potential), but he's struggled to get chances despite playing pretty well when he gets them. Perhaps he hasn't developed as well as the organization hoped or maybe I've just plain been wrong but I figure he'll be exposed to waivers at some point. I've given up predicting whether a guy is going to get claimed or not.

Guys get claimed off waivers almost as many times as guys get offer-sheeted.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Guys get claimed off waivers almost as many times as guys get offer-sheeted.

Good point.

 

[CoachWithNoTeam]

How did D'amigo end up doing?

He started off camp very poorly, but is still here. Coaches told him to step it up a couple preseason games ago, and apparently they still see something. He and Gibbons are in the same boat, with not having performed great, but have stuck around due to their experience. I think that most people expect D'amigo to be one of the last cuts - or if Gibbons gets put on IR (with Horton and Jenner) D'amigo could stick as the extra forward. I would say that if everyone were healthy, he would be about the 18th, 19th, or 20th forward on the depth chart

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

Why do you think that? I think Golo is more likely to be claimed than a 4th liner and once the guy is down he can come back up risk free. Plus there are other guys in Springfield who could come up for a couple of games either risk free (Rychel, Anderson) or essentially risk free (Collins and Craig).

Bottom line is whether they want to keep Golo for sure. I know he cleared a few times in the past but there is a significant drop off in talent behind him in the system now that Nikitin is gone and Erixon is on a one way deal. I think he stays.

But the thing about it is that there is no way we carry 8 D for the season. If there is no chance that he clears going down, a trade seems more likely to at least get something in return. If Murray starts on IR to get up to game speed it buys a week but there is now way I see us keeping 8 D permanently for the season.

 

[CoachWithNoTeam]

But the thing about it is that there is no way we carry 8 D for the season. If there is no chance that he clears going down, a trade seems more likely to at least get something in return. If Murray starts on IR to get up to game speed it buys a week but there is now way I see us keeping 8 D permanently for the season.

I believe Richards has said a few times that he likes having 8 D, if for nothing else than practice, to roll with 4 pairs.

And to answer the earlier comment about Goloubef vs St Denis. I think there is a pretty fair gap between the two. Last season in springfield, we heard that Goloubef was the best D down there, even getting the call up once or twice over Erixon. I definitely don't think we risk losing him.

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

I believe Richards has said a few times that he likes having 8 D, if for nothing else than practice, to roll with 4 pairs.

And to answer the earlier comment about Goloubef vs St Denis. I think there is a pretty fair gap between the two. Last season in springfield, we heard that Goloubef was the best D down there, even getting the call up once or twice over Erixon. I definitely don't think we risk losing him.

That might be but 8 D restricts you to 1 extra forward on the roster. What happens when you have 2 injuries in the forwards that aren't worthy of being put on IR to create a roster spot? Or a goalie is battling the flu and you need to carry a third goalie for a couple of days as insurance?

Carrying 2 extra players for 6 spots and 1 extra player for 12 spots makes little to no sense and would leave them with no flexibility if they are too scared to lose Goloubef.

 

[CoachWithNoTeam]

That might be but 8 D restricts you to 1 extra forward on the roster. What happens when you have 2 injuries in the forwards that aren't worthy of being put on IR to create a roster spot? Or a goalie is battling the flu and you need to carry a third goalie for a couple of days as insurance?

Carrying 2 extra players for 6 spots and 1 extra player for 12 spots makes little to no sense and would leave them with no flexibility if they are too scared to lose Goloubef.

You're ignoring the fact that Prout can play wing

I agree though, more flexibility if you carry 14 forwards. Although, I don't know how often two injuries happen at the same time that don't warrant being put on IR.

 

[major major]

How do folks feel about the idea of having 4 rookie forwards in the lineup?

I'm a little bit nervous about it.

 

[Zarathustra]

You're ignoring the fact that Prout can play wing

I agree though, more flexibility if you carry 14 forwards. Although, I don't know how often two injuries happen at the same time that don't warrant being put on IR.

Quite frankly, I'd rather lose Prout at this point than Cody.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

How do folks feel about the idea of having 4 rookie forwards in the lineup?

I'm a little bit nervous about it.

Me too. Especially because we have guys like Dano and Wennberg in big time spots. It's less on Chaput and Rychel since they have 4th line duty and if they struggle they can easily be sent down, but that's relying alot upon two 19 year olds in your top 9.

 

[Fro]

How do folks feel about the idea of having 4 rookie forwards in the lineup?

I'm a little bit nervous about it.

since this convo is more worthwhile...

I don't mind it, as much...not to say i'm not worried, but...once Joey is signed, and Boone is back, two of them will be in Springy...so a bit of trial by fire and then will be settled pretty quickly...

Quite frankly, I'd rather lose Prout at this point than Cody.

don't think I agree with this...Prout has his gaffs...but I think his all around game is better than Cody's...Cody is a solid player, but don't think he has the upside that Prout does...

 

[WannabeFinn]

Me too. Especially because we have guys like Dano and Wennberg in big time spots. It's less on Chaput and Rychel since they have 4th line duty and if they struggle they can easily be sent down, but that's relying alot upon two 19 year olds in your top 9.

Wennberg is 20 get your facts straight before posting!!!!!!!111