2014 CBJ Offseason Thread

[CBJWerenski8]

Idk, I just have never been a Paul Stastny guy. I would rather get a goal scorer than a pass first guy. Feel we have enough of those.

 

[major major]

I actually think we could use a passer/playmaker. And I actually think that David Desharnais would be a good fit, if he could play wing. His contract is probably a better deal than any we could get in free agency, and the Habs were recently looking to unload him.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

According to CBC, the CBJ and Johansen haven't started contract talks yet, but will soon.

7. While Overhardt was trapped on the phone, I did ask him about another client, Ryan Johansen. Overhardt said talks with the Columbus Blue Jackets would begin shortly. Then, he hung up before I came up with anything else.

http://www.cbc.ca/sports-content/ho...an-dubnyk-odd-masked-man-out-in-montreal.html

 

[IHeartZherdev*]

I disagree ... Paul Stastny three years ago may have been worth $7m/per ... Paul Stastny this year was a third line center and scored 60 points; 44th in the NHL and comparable to a guy like TJ Oshie, who is younger and making $4.175 per year.

$5m/per seems about right.

Yep. He's going to take an almost $2 million pay cut after having a great season and playoffs and while being arguably the top UFA forward available.

 

[Boomshakalaka]

I wonder if cbj tries to make a move with Winnipeg. Not rj it s probably not on his list, just a life in bitter cold. We missed out on Nic petan in second round last year and traded our pick. I think it is time to move one of our pipeline goalies. Also I wonder if we are thinking about resigning jack skille? Put him on top line last year and sat Tropp. I know Davidson was high on him.

 

[Jackets16]

I wonder if cbj tries to make a move with Winnipeg. Not rj it s probably not on his list, just a life in bitter cold. We missed out on Nic petan in second round last year and traded our pick. I think it is time to move one of our pipeline goalies. Also I wonder if we are thinking about resigning jack skille? Put him on top line last year and sat Tropp. I know Davidson was high on him.

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I'd rather have who we have than Petan. Also, it is not time to trade any of our goaltenders.

 

[Mayor Bee]

I wonder if cbj tries to make a move with Winnipeg. Not rj it s probably not on his list, just a life in bitter cold. We missed out on Nic petan in second round last year and traded our pick. I think it is time to move one of our pipeline goalies. Also I wonder if we are thinking about resigning jack skille? Put him on top line last year and sat Tropp. I know Davidson was high on him.

It wasn't that long ago that an aging player on a high-dollar contract was traded for someone who was a 2nd-rounder in the most recent draft. Unfortunately, Theo/Ted/Teddy Ruth didn't end up playing an NHL game, but at least he can always tell his kids that he was traded one-for-one for Sergei Fedorov.

I'd be curious to know who was actually the original target at #44. I'd have to believe that either Zykov (37) or Hagg (41) was it.

 

[Tony Quinn]

If there's a guy in EDM to target, it's Eberle.

But won't his cost be prohibitive?

I'd be surprised if they would conider a package of Tyutin, Atkinson, and a #1. Heck, they may want that for Perron and I'd think Eberle is much higher on the food chain.

Atkinson may be a trade chip in a deal for Eberle, and I'd be fine with it, because they may see him as a guy who could thrive in their system.

It would be interesting to see what Edmonton values more, a stable, veteran defenseman leader like Tyutin or a younger, un-proven, D-man with a potential higher ceiling like Erixon.

 

[major major]

But won't his cost be prohibitive?

I'd be surprised if they would conider a package of Tyutin, Atkinson, and a #1. Heck, they may want that for Perron and I'd think Eberle is much higher on the food chain.

Atkinson may be a trade chip in a deal for Eberle, and I'd be fine with it, because they may see him as a guy who could thrive in their system.

It would be interesting to see what Edmonton values more, a stable, veteran defenseman leader like Tyutin or a younger, un-proven, D-man with a potential higher ceiling like Erixon.

The cost for Eberle will be higher because he's a better scorer, but the cost won't be that much higher. Edmonton wants more toughness in the top 6, so that's less of Eberle and more of Perron. They won't want Atkinson, and they won't want more young unproven defencemen. They already have Nurse, Klefbom, Marincin, Schultz, etc...

Edmonton needs top 4 veteran D (Tyutin), and size up the middle (Anisimov).

 

[EDM]

So we trade Anisimov to get Eberle and sign Stastny to replace Anisimov?

 

[EspenK]

So we trade Anisimov to get Eberle and sign Stastny to replace Anisimov?

Don't know if the cap numbers work but if we had Eberle & Stastny rather than Tyutin & Anisimov I think we'd be a better team.

 

[Xoggz22]

So we trade Anisimov to get Eberle and sign Stastny to replace Anisimov?

if, IF, CBJ could move Anisimov and Tyuin for Eberle that would balance salary. Then if CBJ could move RJ without taking back salary(big if, I know) they could make a run at Stasny for $6-7MM and ultimately only add around $1MM to the cap. Payroll goes up due to other raises but it is doable. It also opens a D and W spot for a young guy who earns it.

 

[EspenK]

if, IF, CBJ could move Anisimov and Tyuin for Eberle that would balance salary. Then if CBJ could move RJ without taking back salary(big if, I know) they could make a run at Stasny for $6-7MM and ultimately only add around $1MM to the cap. Payroll goes up due to other raises but it is doable. It also opens a D and W spot for a young guy who earns it.

Or they could buy him out and add nothing to the cap.

 

[EspenK]

Upon further review the signing of Stastny makes less sense when you consider he probably wants 6 years so what do we do with Wennnberg? Move him to wing? Move Dubi to wing? Not re-sign Dubi?

I think Jarmo has his work cut out for him trying to make the team better next year without mucking up the future too much. On paper and in a vacuum I like the Stastny/Eberle combo over Arty/Tyutin but that adds two long term contracts at hefty salary.

 

[Xoggz22]

Upon further review the signing of Stastny makes less sense when you consider he probably wants 6 years so what do we do with Wennnberg? Move him to wing? Move Dubi to wing? Not re-sign Dubi?

I think Jarmo has his work cut out for him trying to make the team better next year without mucking up the future too much. On paper and in a vacuum I like the Stastny/Eberle combo over Arty/Tyutin but that adds two long term contracts at hefty salary.

I don't think Stastny makes sense but if the CBJ did certainly they would find a way to fit him in. If Anisimov and Tyutin were moved that's two more leadership group guys out the door. I agree that JK has his work cut out for him but think we'll see an upgrade to the top 6. For once I feel the CBJ has pieces to move without sacrificing too much of the current structure/team. We have a deeper system and some strength on the big club in areas that others need.

Should be interesting. I also expect a step forward from the younger guys so if only minor moves are made I actually wont' be that disappointed.

 

[Jackets16]

I don't think Stastny makes sense but if the CBJ did certainly they would find a way to fit him in. If Anisimov and Tyutin were moved that's two more leadership group guys out the door. I agree that JK has his work cut out for him but think we'll see an upgrade to the top 6. For once I feel the CBJ has pieces to move without sacrificing too much of the current structure/team. We have a deeper system and some strength on the big club in areas that others need.

Should be interesting. I also expect a step forward from the younger guys so if only minor moves are made I actually wont' be that disappointed.

I don't see the need to really do anything. We should be better next year just from the young players getting better. I'd like to see us make a move or two, but I don't think we have too. I only want us to make a move if it is a clear upgrade for the team and we don't have to trade any of our top young players (Johansen, Murray, Jenner, Wennberg, etc....).

 

[EspenK]

I don't see the need to really do anything. We should be better next year just from the young players getting better. I'd like to see us make a move or two, but I don't think we have too. I only want us to make a move if it is a clear upgrade for the team and we don't have to trade any of our top young players (Johansen, Murray, Jenner, Wennberg, etc....).

So you don't think Stastny/Eberle instead of Anisimov/Tyutin makes us a better team? It might weaken the D a bit but it sure as heck upgrades the offense. I agree that we shouldn't trade the guys you mentioned but I don't see that much organic growth to be able to compete with the top teams. Look at all of the top teams. They weren't built solely from the draft. It's a three way path-draft, trades and UFA's.

 

[Jackets16]

So you don't think Stastny/Eberle instead of Anisimov/Tyutin makes us a better team? It might weaken the D a bit but it sure as heck upgrades the offense. I agree that we shouldn't trade the guys you mentioned but I don't see that much organic growth to be able to compete with the top teams. Look at all of the top teams. They weren't built solely from the draft. It's a three way path-draft, trades and UFA's.

Where did I ever say they wouldn't? I would honestly love to know how you got that from what I posted. All I said was we don't have to do anything right now (I even said I would like to see a move or two). And, guess what, we don't. This is a process. It doesn't need to be rushed. If you can get a great player now, do it. Otherwise, you continue to build the team the right way.

I also disagree that there won't be a lot of growth with the team we have now. I expect Jenner to be better. I expect Murray to be better. I even think Johansen will be better. I think we would be better if we would play a guy like Erixon. We will be better if Horton can play close to a full season. These may not happen. That isn't the point though. With no improvement we are already a good, young team.

Just keep improving and when the opportunity comes up to get a player that is a clear upgrade, go for it.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

So you don't think Stastny/Eberle instead of Anisimov/Tyutin makes us a better team? It might weaken the D a bit but it sure as heck upgrades the offense. I agree that we shouldn't trade the guys you mentioned but I don't see that much organic growth to be able to compete with the top teams. Look at all of the top teams. They weren't built solely from the draft. It's a three way path-draft, trades and UFA's.

Concept:
Tyutin and Anisimov for Eberle
Umberger for a defenseman

I like this idea, except... There was some good discussion last week after I brought up trading Tyutin, regarding who would take his hard minutes. If you (the FO) don't know the answer, I'd prefer not. Also, you lose a middle-six center, meaning you're one less center available who might end up playing with your new goal-scoring winger. Do you have an option there besides Wennberg?

I wonder if the idea trading Tyutin and/or Anisimov is a year early. I might be tempted to suggest the idea floating around on the mains of Umberger for Stalberg would be the better plan.

 

[db2011]

I'd like to see a big splash upgrade in the top 6 because who wouldn't? Those are always exciting.

But I ultimately don't believe a whole lot needs to be done. I think we'll see improvement from within and we'll see a healthy Horton for hopefully the bulk of the season. We weren't too shabby in goals scored last season so I'm not terribly concerned about the offense.

We will need to find RJ's 18 goals somewhere, though.

 

[Nordique]

I'd like to see a big splash upgrade in the top 6 because who wouldn't? Those are always exciting.

But I ultimately don't believe a whole lot needs to be done. I think we'll see improvement from within and we'll see a healthy Horton for hopefully the bulk of the season. We weren't too shabby in goals scored last season so I'm not terribly concerned about the offense.

We will need to find RJ's 18 goals somewhere, though.

Lets go after Gaborik, super hot UFA, leading the NHL in goals this post season

In all seriousness, I feel the same that not much will be done this off season besides contract house keeping. We might find a taker for RJ, but I don't expect much if any return if we do move him. Hopefully we get better seasons from Horton, Bobrovsky, and Atkinson and the young guys improve.

 

[db2011]

Lets go after Gaborik, super hot UFA, leading the NHL in goals this post steam

not a good fit.

 

[IHeartZherdev*]

not a good fit.

Thanks, Jarmo/POHOP.

Any thoughts on how we should build the team going forward? Perhaps a brick by brick approach? With players who play the "right way?"

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Thanks, Jarmo/POHOP.

Any thoughts on how we should build the team going forward? Perhaps a brick by brick approach? With players who play the "right way?"

Whatever is done, it will be to protect the future.

 

[IHeartZherdev*]

Jarmo should let scientists know climate change can be stopped if they'd just acquire more conditional 3rd round picks