2014 CBJ Offseason Thread

[EspenK]

Sorry man, that's a horrible proposal.

Yakupov's value has dropped significantly. But he's not even close to only worth an albatross like Umberger straight up.

You're probably right.

So what could we add in to make it right for Edmonton that wouldn't screw us up? I don't think they need a young D -they have lots in the pipeline; they could use Anisimov but that would hurt us in the short term until Wennberg was ready.

Umbie, Anisimov and our 2nd for Yak & Gagner? probably doesn't fit the model.

I still would love to somehow get Yak and see if the team culture here could turn him around.

Anyone got any ideas of what would be fair value for Yak? As a buyer I go on his performance; as a seller I go on his potential. Where is the middle ground?

 

[Doug19]

Welcome to the "trade Tyutin" club. Happy to have you.

I don't think their is a person here that is adverse to moving Tyutin for an upgrade, I also don't think anybody is joining your irrational hatred move for anything club.

 

[Xoggz22]

Anyone got any ideas of what would be fair value for Yak? As a buyer I go on his performance; as a seller I go on his potential. Where is the middle ground?

At this point I have to believe that his potential still outweighs his actual performance to date. Beyond Edmonton fans I have read that Yak has a solid work ethic and wants to win. At the same time he does have a bit of Diva to him. I'm on board with Yak or Eberle. Although I have to admit that the Eberle contract does scare me a little. $6MM per year for the next 5 years.

Any deal for Eberle has to include Umberger (who is highly unlikely to waive for Edmonton so that's probably out the door) or I would think a guy like Tyutin (also a NTC). Tyutin would be much more valuable to Edmonton. Needs to be more, I hate doing this but....

To EDM: Umberger, Tyutin, Atkinson, CBJ 2014 2nd

To CBJ: Eberle, Klefbom

Edmonton adds two veteran additions and 2-way players with good locker room presence, top 6 replacement (top 9 for sure) in Atkinson and a pick.

Columbus adds top 6 skill and another young d-man on EL contract that could play in Springfield as we sort out our young D situation. We also open a spot on the big club with the removal of Umberger and save some salary.

Probably sucks but hey, gave it a shot.

 

[major major]

At this point I have to believe that his potential still outweighs his actual performance to date. Beyond Edmonton fans I have read that Yak has a solid work ethic and wants to win. At the same time he does have a bit of Diva to him. I'm on board with Yak or Eberle. Although I have to admit that the Eberle contract does scare me a little. $6MM per year for the next 5 years.

Any deal for Eberle has to include Umberger (who is highly unlikely to waive for Edmonton so that's probably out the door) or I would think a guy like Tyutin (also a NTC). Tyutin would be much more valuable to Edmonton. Needs to be more, I hate doing this but....

To EDM: Umberger, Tyutin, Atkinson, CBJ 2014 2nd

To CBJ: Eberle, Klefbom

Edmonton adds two veteran additions and 2-way players with good locker room presence, top 6 replacement (top 9 for sure) in Atkinson and a pick.

Columbus adds top 6 skill and another young d-man on EL contract that could play in Springfield as we sort out our young D situation. We also open a spot on the big club with the removal of Umberger and save some salary.

Probably sucks but hey, gave it a shot.

The complementarity between Edmonton and Columbus is so strong, that's why we keep coming back to trade ideas like these. But I don't think this one is fair to Edmonton. Umberger and Tyutin's contracts are much worse than Eberle's. $6m for ~70 points a year is not bad at all.

Instead your deal should be modified such that they get Anisimov for size up the middle, or keep Klefbom, or take a first rounder from us.

 

[TaketheCannoli]

You're probably right.

So what could we add in to make it right for Edmonton that wouldn't screw us up? I don't think they need a young D -they have lots in the pipeline; they could use Anisimov but that would hurt us in the short term until Wennberg was ready.

Umbie, Anisimov and our 2nd for Yak & Gagner? probably doesn't fit the model.

I still would love to somehow get Yak and see if the team culture here could turn him around.

Anyone got any ideas of what would be fair value for Yak? As a buyer I go on his performance; as a seller I go on his potential. Where is the middle ground?

As a starting point, think about what you would have accepted for Johansen or Filatov after their first year?

From my perspective Yakupov would likely cost more than most of us are willing to pay. If I had to guess and you wanted to include Umberger in the deal something like:

Umberger + Jenner + 2014 1st and that may not get it done.

 

[EspenK]

As a starting point, think about what you would have accepted for Johansen or Filatov after their first year?

From my perspective Yakupov would likely cost more than most of us are willing to pay. If I had to guess and you wanted to include Umberger in the deal something like:

Umberger + Jenner + 2014 1st and that may not get it done.

You are obviously stating the seller point of view. From a buyer's point of view it doesn't look so good. Guy has played 110 games has 55 points.

However, your point about Joey after 2 yrs does merit some consideration. He had 33 points in 107 games.

And therein lies the problem. Edmonton is still selling potential; buyers are looking to pay based on results.

I'm guessing a deal for Yak doesn't happen yet- although they wait and he has another half a point year then his value really sinks.

Lots of variables to consider.

 

[Cowumbus]

I just read an article that James Neal wants out of Poopsurgh... Any interest in going after him and getting rid of RJ the pitt boy for him?

 

[Cowumbus]

Yakupov for Tyutin or Nikitin (keep whichever we don't trade) and a 1st and Umberger
Yakupov will be better then RJ and has so much potential. Yakupov could be the next John Tavares skill set player.

Jenner Johansen Horton
Foligno Anisimov Yakupov like the Russians together
Calvert Dubinsky Atkinson
Mackenzie Letestu Skile

Johnson Murray
Wisniewski Tyutin/Nikitin or even Shultz
Savard Erixon

 

[Cowumbus]

Rychel Wennberg Bjorkstrand/Anderson

could we play them as our fourth line... I cannot wait to see them.

Also why do we draft so many centers?

 

[major major]

Rychel Wennberg Bjorkstrand/Anderson

could we play them as our fourth line... I cannot wait to see them.

Also why do we draft so many centers?

The best forwards are disproportionately at center (i.e. more than 1/3 of the time). Many of them play center in junior and then move on to the wing at higher levels.

I don't know if we disproportionately draft centers relative to what other teams draft.

Yakupov for Tyutin or Nikitin (keep whichever we don't trade) and a 1st and Umberger
Yakupov will be better then RJ and has so much potential. Yakupov could be the next John Tavares skill set player.

Jenner Johansen Horton
Foligno Anisimov Yakupov like the Russians together
Calvert Dubinsky Atkinson
Mackenzie Letestu Skile

Johnson Murray
Wisniewski Tyutin/Nikitin or even Shultz
Savard Erixon

Nice lineup, but don't forget Nikitin's a UFA now. Its a bit unfortunate that the Oilers can get Nikitin for free, otherwise they'd pay up for Tyutin. If not Nikitin they'll likely nab a steady Mark Fayne type guy.

 

[Cowumbus]

Trade our 2014 + 2015 1st Picks along with Tyutin/Nikitin to Florida for their 2014 1st

Then draft Ekblad

 

[Milltec]

Trade our 2014 + 2015 1st Picks along with Tyutin/Nikitin to Florida for their 2014 1st

Then draft Ekblad

2014 1st + 2015 1st + Nikitin for Florida 2014 1st?

Would do that in a heartbeat. Murray + Ekblad, yes please.

Only thing you would need to do is bring in an aging vet like Aucoin a couple of years ago to bring along the young guns.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

I just read an article that James Neal wants out of Poopsurgh... Any interest in going after him and getting rid of RJ the pitt boy for him?

1. No way they would trade him in division.

2. The report is untrue and he even rejected it on his own twitter account.

 

[Jyrki]

Bob and Arty get themselves some golden hardware in Belarus. Grats to them!

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

I was just tooling around on capgeek and seeing what the CBJ have as options for the season in regards to cap space.

The possiblities seem endless.

If you take into consideration some roster players that are RFA and should get a moderate increase (Savard, Erixon, Prout) and resign Johansen in the neighborhood of 5 million, there is still a ton of cap room left.

They could acquire a 6 million dollar player, retain 25% of RJ's salary in some sort of deal, give Johansen 5 millions, and resign the rest of the key RFA's to moderate deals and still have close to 8 million in cap space available.

If you assume RJ gets 25% retained, the team has over 26 million in cap space without consideration of what would be returned or included in an RJ trade. Its just shy of 23 million before any sort of RJ deal.

 

[Cowumbus]

Is Horton worth the money? Or could we trade him?

Also anyone else scared of Murray.. and that every year he has had a major injury. don't know how long he can last

 

[Samkow]

Is Horton worth the money? Or could we trade him?

TBD. Can't make a determination off of 10 healthy games. Wish he hadn't tried to play hurt after the 2nd injury, it left a bad taste in people's mouths.

Essentially untradable. Worth letting it play out.

 

[Cowumbus]

I think these guys are all solid and obtainable ufa's i'm interested in

Mason Raymond- around 1 mill
Paul Statsny- around 5 mill
Benoit Pouliot- around 1.5 mill

Raymond Johansen Atkinson
Pouliot Statsny Anisimov
Jenner Dubinsky Horton
Calvert Wennberg Foligno

Probably cant get all of them but one or two of them would be great

 

[Derby]

I think these guys are all solid and obtainable ufa's i'm interested in

Mason Raymond- around 1 mill
Paul Statsny- around 5 mill
Benoit Pouliot- around 1.5 mill

Raymond Johansen Atkinson
Pouliot Statsny Anisimov
Jenner Dubinsky Horton
Calvert Wennberg Foligno

Probably cant get all of them but one or two of them would be great

Wow, Horton and Jenner on the third line? Wow.

 

[FreeBoomer61]

I think these guys are all solid and obtainable ufa's i'm interested in

Mason Raymond- around 1 mill
Paul Statsny- around 5 mill
Benoit Pouliot- around 1.5 mill

Raymond Johansen Atkinson
Pouliot Statsny Anisimov
Jenner Dubinsky Horton
Calvert Wennberg Foligno

Probably cant get all of them but one or two of them would be great

It's going to take a hell of a lot more than 5 mill/year to pry Stastny from Colorado. I would love to add him into our lineup, but it would probably take atleast 7 million a year to get him. And I would definitely do that. Imagine having him, Joey, Dubinsky, Anisimov, Letestu and Mackenzie down the middle.....talk about depth.

 

[TaketheCannoli]

You are obviously stating the seller point of view. From a buyer's point of view it doesn't look so good. Guy has played 110 games has 55 points.

However, your point about Joey after 2 yrs does merit some consideration. He had 33 points in 107 games.

And therein lies the problem. Edmonton is still selling potential; buyers are looking to pay based on results.

I'm guessing a deal for Yak doesn't happen yet- although they wait and he has another half a point year then his value really sinks.

Lots of variables to consider.

And I think most of us would have wanted more for Filatov after 1 year than we did for Johansen. In the end, getting anything at all for Filatov was a win.

In spite of this, every CBJ fan I know wanted to wait to let Johansen develop and if a trade was considered, the price was very high. I would expect Edmonton fans to act the same way.

I personally wouldn't pay a huge price for Yakupov. He's supremely skilled, but he is small, plays no defense and has a reasonably low hockey IQ; all flash, not a team player and he watches the other players on his team play in their own end when he's on the ice.


He could score 35 goals and cause his team to give up 75-80 while he's on the ice.

 

[EspenK]

I was just tooling around on capgeek and seeing what the CBJ have as options for the season in regards to cap space.

The possiblities seem endless.

If you take into consideration some roster players that are RFA and should get a moderate increase (Savard, Erixon, Prout) and resign Johansen in the neighborhood of 5 million, there is still a ton of cap room left.

They could acquire a 6 million dollar player, retain 25% of RJ's salary in some sort of deal, give Johansen 5 millions, and resign the rest of the key RFA's to moderate deals and still have close to 8 million in cap space available.

If you assume RJ gets 25% retained, the team has over 26 million in cap space without consideration of what would be returned or included in an RJ trade. Its just shy of 23 million before any sort of RJ deal.

Your analysis is spot in in my opinion. That's why I would consider $7-8 million per yr for 2 yrs for Iginla. He just had 61 pts, brings a warrior mentality, fills a glaring need for us at RW and serves as a placeholder until the kids mature. Until someone comes up with a better alternative I will continue to think that is our best option. Probably unlikely to happen but 8 million reasons could sway him.Makes it a bit tight the following season when we have to re-sign Dubi and probably Foligno but it is doable.

If we didn't make that happen I guess Radim Vrbata is a possibility.
Or Ryan Callahan who I don't think is a good idea.

Short of obtaining a RW in trade who plays there on the Foligno-Anisimov line? It is a big gaping hole in the lineup unless Wennberg is ready.

 

[MoeBartoli]

Your analysis is spot in in my opinion. That's why I would consider $7-8 million per yr for 2 yrs for Iginla. He just had 61 pts, brings a warrior mentality, fills a glaring need for us at RW and serves as a placeholder until the kids mature. Until someone comes up with a better alternative I will continue to think that is our best option. Probably unlikely to happen but 8 million reasons could sway him.Makes it a bit tight the following season when we have to re-sign Dubi and probably Foligno but it is doable.

If we didn't make that happen I guess Radim Vrbata is a possibility.
Or Ryan Callahan who I don't think is a good idea.

Short of obtaining a RW in trade who plays there on the Foligno-Anisimov line? It is a big gaping hole in the lineup unless Wennberg is ready.

I believe when he plays wing, it's the left side....but how would Letestu fit on that line?

 

[EspenK]

I believe when he plays wing, it's the left side....but how would Letestu fit on that line?

he might be our best bet of guys currently on the roster. But I don't think he is a true 2nd liner.

 

[Sore Loser]

It's going to take a hell of a lot more than 5 mill/year to pry Stastny from Colorado. I would love to add him into our lineup, but it would probably take atleast 7 million a year to get him. And I would definitely do that. Imagine having him, Joey, Dubinsky, Anisimov, Letestu and Mackenzie down the middle.....talk about depth.

I disagree ... Paul Stastny three years ago may have been worth $7m/per ... Paul Stastny this year was a third line center and scored 60 points; 44th in the NHL and comparable to a guy like TJ Oshie, who is younger and making $4.175 per year.

$5m/per seems about right.