Salary Cap: 2014/2015 New York Rangers roster & salary cap

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Seriously not on this ROR high that everyone is on

yeah, i really dont see it. i fail to see whats so great about him. again i dont watch him daily. though im not convinced anyone here does either. i can see maybe watching him a handful of times, but id be interested to hear what the Avs fans think of his game.

Hes looked slow, and very much a product of his linemates when ive seen him.
 
I'm sorry, I don't understand dismantling the team that got to the SCF to obtain yet another "top gun" that fizzles when he gets to NY. This must sound incredibly naive, but can't we just work on improving the team we have and build from the bottom? If you go back and read the articles from when we acquired Richards, then Nash, then MSL--it reads just like the last few pages of this thread.

LA has been together for a while and it shows. I don't understand the constant trading.

I think I'm going to change my user name to "NO NEW JERSEYS"
 
i find it incredible that all anyone can talk about is how slow Richards looks, but a 23 year old ROR looks arguably slower.....
 
yeah, i really dont see it. i fail to see whats so great about him. again i dont watch him daily. though im not convinced anyone here does either. i can see maybe watching him a handful of times, but id be interested to hear what the Avs fans think of his game.

Hes looked slow, and very much a product of his linemates when ive seen him.

Great two way game, 60-65 point player, good on faceoffs, never takes penalties (let along bad ones), high IQ, etc. He's still only 23 years old.

I would rather have him than overpaying Stastny, trading for a 30 plus year old Spezza, etc.
 
Considering the debacle with ROR's contract negotiations to this point, I don't see wanting him. He's going to expect star money on his next deal, 6m+ per year. Frankly, from what I've seen, I don't know if he's worth it. I think we already have a similar player in Stepan. If the goal is to get ROR and use him and Stepan as a copy of Bergeron and Krejci, that makes sense, but it's not so simple seeing as ROR is a contract dispute waiting to happen.

I guess I'm not as high on the player that ROR is as many others are. Miller is in a similar mold, but a better skater than ROR. I'd rather look elsewhere than overpay in a trade for a guy who is going to be looking for a huge payday without really having earned it yet. He should go to Edmonton if that's all he wants.

I know people look at them as typical Sather moves, but the truth of the matter is Thornton and Spezza are still bonafide #1 centers in this league and will continue to be for at least 2-3 more seasons. There's also Eric Staal who could possibly be had in a trade who is also a true #1 Center.

Then in the FA market there's Stastny who was a more dangerous player on Colorado than ROR. If they can keep the cap hit around 6m a year, wouldn't he be a better option than ROR, especially when we have two centers (Stepan and Miller) who are similar players to ROR?

Thornton, Spezza, Staal, Stastny are all players I'd look at before ROR, knowing the player he is and how he wants to be paid and all.
 
he's a 50-60 point player...whose gonna make 6+ mil a year.

how is that something that makes any kind of sense?

I wanna throw some numbers out at you, and you tell me what your thoughts are on both players.

Player 1.

294 GP 197 Points, +59 1.02 hits per game

Player 2

345 GP 191 points, -8 .52 hits per game.

That is not really a fair comparison given player 2 was a teenager in his first two seasons of those 345 games
 
Great two way game, 60-65 point player, good on faceoffs, never takes penalties (let along bad ones), high IQ, etc. He's still only 23 years old.

I would rather have him than overpaying Stastny, trading for a 30 plus year old Spezza, etc.

id like to agian say that all these replies are based on mostly stat watching and maybe 10 games ive seen him play in the past 2 years.

2-way game...yet he's been a minus player each of the last 4 consecutive seasons. its good to see that he kills penalties though..i woulda flipped my lid over this 2-way argument if he didnt at least do that.

60-65 point player. I hate that argument. how is a guy who has hit 60+ points once in his career a 60 point player? hes a 45 point player per 82 games played for his career. his last 3 seasons per 82 games played are something like 65, 56, 55

To me, that makes him more of a 55-60 point player who clearly had a great year playing with some insane level of talent. he goes from being Behind Mackinnon, Stastny, and Duchene (and having to play on the wing) to being the #1 center...will his numbers go up? id be doubtful..but you never know.

51.8% on faceoffs. its a good number. i think the faceoff argument is very overused. the difference between being 52% and 48% is how many faceoffs won or lost in a game? 1? 2?

its an overrated stat imho.

regarding IQ, i'll have to take your word for it, ive never been particularly enamored with his play.

regarding penalty minutes. i guess thats a good thing. i mean not taking penalties can also be a sign of not being particularly engaged in the play.

in the small sample size that ive watched that team ive almost always thought to myself after the game how completely amazed i was taht i didnt even notice when ROR played a shift. for a supposed #1 center about to make 6.5 mil a year, thats not a good thing.

but again, you guys may know him better than i do.

if it were me, id rather keep staal than to trade him for ROR.
 
I'm sorry, I don't understand dismantling the team that got to the SCF to obtain yet another "top gun" that fizzles when he gets to NY. This must sound incredibly naive, but can't we just work on improving the team we have and build from the bottom? If you go back and read the articles from when we acquired Richards, then Nash, then MSL--it reads just like the last few pages of this thread.

LA has been together for a while and it shows. I don't understand the constant trading.

I think I'm going to change my user name to "NO NEW JERSEYS"

So you'd rather not improve the team so they can take the final step and actually win the Cup? In 2012, LA didn't add Carter, their second line center, until the trade deadline. They did the same thing with Gaborik this season.

This team has a ton of free agents. Stralman, Boyle, D. Moore, and Pouliot are UFAs. Zuccarello, Kreider, Brassard, and J. Moore are RFAs. There's going to be turnover no matter what.

Nobody's talking about blowing up the whole roster, but we have a single crucial weakness to address. We need to add another center roughly of Stepan's caliber or better to create the depth down the middle necessary to deal with teams like the Kings and Bruins. We don't have anyone like that in the system like that right now. ROR would represent a unique addition should we be able to acquire him. He's a 23-year-old, two-way center who's already posted 50+ points multiple times. The advanced stats like him too. If we could land him for a package built around Staal and Miller or Staal and Brassard, then we should absolutely do it.
 
That is not really a fair comparison given player 2 was a teenager in his first two seasons of those 345 games

they are the exact same age, if you want the stats adjusted for the first season, i'll just remove it altogether, here they are.

Player 1.

294 GP 197 Points, +59 1.02 hits per game

Player 2

264 GP 164 points, -12 .54 hits per game.
 
So you'd rather not improve the team so they can take the final step and actually win the Cup? In 2012, LA didn't add Carter, their second line center, until the trade deadline. They did the same thing with Gaborik this season.

This team has a ton of free agents. Stralman, Boyle, D. Moore, and Pouliot are UFAs. Zuccarello, Kreider, Brassard, and J. Moore are RFAs. There's going to be turnover no matter what.

Nobody's talking about blowing up the whole roster, but we have a single crucial weakness to address. We need to add another center roughly of Stepan's caliber or better to create the depth down the middle necessary to deal with teams like the Kings and Bruins. We don't have anyone like that in the system like that right now. ROR would represent a unique addition should we be able to acquire him. He's a 23-year-old, two-way center who's already posted 50+ points multiple times. The advanced stats like him too. If we could land him for a package built around Staal and Miller or Staal and Brassard, then we should absolutely do it.

except Derek Stepan costs us less than half of what ROR wants per year.

50 point players shouldnt make 6.5 mil a year. Ryan Callahan wanted that and nobody here wanted to pay him. and im sorry but Ryan Callahan paid his dues with this team a helluva lot more than ROR has done in his short career playing with some elite player.
 
except Derek Stepan costs us less than half of what ROR wants per year.

50 point players shouldnt make 6.5 mil a year. Ryan Callahan wanted that and nobody here wanted to pay him. and im sorry but Ryan Callahan paid his dues with this team a helluva lot more than ROR has done in his short career playing with some elite player.

A) Callahan's a 29-year-old winger coming off a 36 point season. Ryan O'Reilly's a 23-year-old center coming off a 64 point season.

B) He wins more than 50% of his faceoffs.

C) O'Reilly has a positive CF% rel, meaning his team's possession game improved whenever he was on the ice. Callahan has a negative CF% rel, meaning his team's possession game deteriorated whenever he was on the ice.

Whatever you do or don't think you're seeing, he's a damn good player and would greatly improve our team. The comparison to Callahan is silly. They're completely different types of players.
 
Last season Ryan O'Reilly was tied for 7th in quality of competition (tied with the likes of McDonagh and Shea Weber), led the NHL in takeaways, and committed only 2 penalty minutes in 87 games.
 
Last season Ryan O'Reilly was tied for 7th in quality of competition (tied with the likes of McDonagh and Shea Weber), led the NHL in takeaways, and committed only 2 penalty minutes in 87 games.

Benoit Pouliot just died a little inside.
 
even if ROR is the answer, the only way to make that happen is to not bring back some of the guys who got you to this point, specifically Stralman.

Here's a roster idea I came up with for next season. It involves holding onto the key bottom 6 guys from this past season and re-signing Stralman, but putting some trust and faith in some young guys to really pull through. I would like to see ROR here, but financially it doesn't make much sense to me and you'll sacrifice depth (clearly the most important aspect of a winning hockey club) to do that.

FORWARDS
Rick Nash ($7.800m) / Derek Stepan ($3.075m) / Carl Hagelin ($2.250m)
Martin St. Louis ($5.625m) / Derick Brassard ($4.000m) / Chris Kreider ($4.000m)
Mats Zuccarello ($3.500m) / J.T. Miller ($0.894m) / Anthony Duclair ($0.773m)
Brian Boyle ($2.000m) / Dominic Moore ($2.000m) / Derek Dorsett ($1.633m)
Jesper Fast ($0.805m)
DEFENSEMEN
Dan Girardi ($5.500m) / Ryan McDonagh ($4.700m)
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Anton Stralman ($4.000m)
John Moore ($1.200m) / Kevin Klein ($2.900m)
Justin Falk ($1.024m)
GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($8.500m)
Cameron Talbot ($0.563m)
BUYOUTS
Wade Redden ($0.000m)
Brad Richards ($0.000m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $70,716,250; BONUSES: $566,667
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $383,750
 
even if ROR is the answer, the only way to make that happen is to not bring back some of the guys who got you to this point, specifically Stralman.

Here's a roster idea I came up with for next season. It involves holding onto the key bottom 6 guys from this past season and re-signing Stralman, but putting some trust and faith in some young guys to really pull through. I would like to see ROR here, but financially it doesn't make much sense to me and you'll sacrifice depth (clearly the most important aspect of a winning hockey club) to do that.

FORWARDS
Rick Nash ($7.800m) / Derek Stepan ($3.075m) / Carl Hagelin ($2.250m)
Martin St. Louis ($5.625m) / Derick Brassard ($4.000m) / Chris Kreider ($4.000m)
Mats Zuccarello ($3.500m) / J.T. Miller ($0.894m) / Anthony Duclair ($0.773m)
Brian Boyle ($2.000m) / Dominic Moore ($2.000m) / Derek Dorsett ($1.633m)
Jesper Fast ($0.805m)
DEFENSEMEN
Dan Girardi ($5.500m) / Ryan McDonagh ($4.700m)
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Anton Stralman ($4.000m)
John Moore ($1.200m) / Kevin Klein ($2.900m)
Justin Falk ($1.024m)
GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($8.500m)
Cameron Talbot ($0.563m)
BUYOUTS
Wade Redden ($0.000m)
Brad Richards ($0.000m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $70,716,250; BONUSES: $566,667
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $383,750
A lot of people are saying we can't afford ROR but if we just the brad richards buyout money on him then we give stralman staals contract and we'd have about 700k over if we just keep richards and let stralman walk.. Either way out 4th line won't and shouldn't look the same as this year.. $2 million is just way to much for most teams to pay for a 4th liner like Boyle let alone a team like us with $7 mill goin to nash and $8 mill going to hank. Then next offseason we have to since our no1 center long term
 
A lot of people are saying we can't afford ROR but if we just the brad richards buyout money on him then we give stralman staals contract and we'd have about 700k over if we just keep richards and let stralman walk.. Either way out 4th line won't and shouldn't look the same as this year.. $2 million is just way to much for most teams to pay for a 4th liner like Boyle let alone a team like us with $7 mill goin to nash and $8 mill going to hank. Then next offseason we have to since our no1 center long term

Agreed. Sadly, I think Boyle will end up getting Boyd Gordon type money, which is just way too much for a 4th liner.

I do believe we'll resign Dom Moore, though.
 

This has been discussed on this forum during the season. The players are guaranteed 50%. The Canadian dollar is an issue. If the players get more than 50%,they give that money back to the NHL. Escrow. A certain percentage is deducted from the players salary. The NHL and PA have to agree on the percentage. Each penny drop in the Canadian dollar represents $9M in player costs which comes out of the players end. A large chunk of the revenue comes from the Canadian teams. Lower dollar. Less revenue. If the cap is too high,the players end up paying for it.
 
Would be great if we could work something around Nash to send to Colorado for O'Reilly.

On the surface it may not seem feasible, but a talent like Nash could work well with speedy play-making centers like MacKinnon and Duchene. Colorado has more than enough cap space to accommodate Nash's contract, too.

Only thing is Nash's NMC. Maybe he would waive it as Gaborik did when it was evident the organization didn't want him around anymore.
 
Av's are not moving O'Reilly for Staal who could be an UFA in a year.

Odds of a trade "not" going down are of course extremely high.

But you can give up value in a MDZ trade, but no way should we do it in a Marc Staal trade.

We can't forget that Staal more or less has been a "franchise" player for this club, while being a PO team, already in his career. And that is an ability that Staal has that not many Ds in this league have. I mean, look at the teams around us in the East, how many D's do you find that would have the ability to hit the ice and play 25 minutes per game in the POs without ever being exposed, either by fast or big forwards, and that isn't a stiff with the puck etc.? Staal on top of that is 27 y/o. Has a great character.

How many teams has -- one -- D that can be as effective defensively as Staal?

-Pittsburgh? Nope.

-Toronto? Nope.

-Philly? Nope.

-NJD? Nope.

And so forth and so forth.

Somebody will mention his injuries. He is a UFA in a year. Sure. Staal isn't the most sexy player, and GMs want stories they cna sell. But at the bottom line I think people are selling Staal short.
 
i find it incredible that all anyone can talk about is how slow Richards looks, but a 23 year old ROR looks arguably slower.....

He's been riding shotgun all year with one of the faster players in the league, Matt Duchene, and has been a catalyst on that line. Richards, on the other hand, was an anchor on his line. His skating is choppy, but it's a non-issue as far as I'm concerned.

He's a great possession player and is excellent along the boards. Put him with Nash and Hagelin and we have a 2nd line that is responsible defensively, but can pin the opposing team in their own end for long stretches.

He's likely never going to be a franchise-level center who puts up a PPG, but if he maintains a 60-65 point pace and can match up against opposing top lines, then we're in good shape. This team's strength this season was it's depth, and if they manage things correctly, we could have two 60 point centers locked up to solid deals who are both under 25.
 
This has been discussed on this forum during the season. The players are guaranteed 50%. The Canadian dollar is an issue. If the players get more than 50%,they give that money back to the NHL. Escrow. A certain percentage is deducted from the players salary. The NHL and PA have to agree on the percentage. Each penny drop in the Canadian dollar represents $9M in player costs which comes out of the players end. A large chunk of the revenue comes from the Canadian teams. Lower dollar. Less revenue. If the cap is too high,the players end up paying for it.

The feeling seems to be that the CDN bottomed out in the first quarter and is normalizing, probably to about 93 or 94 cents to the dollar. In late June last year, it was around 95 cents. Right now it's 92 cents. This turned out to be a smaller issue than originally thought a few months back when people were talking about a 0.70 CDN.
 
Colorado has more than enough cap space to accommodate Nash's contract, too.

Yeah, but there is a bit of an aber here. You do not need to look too many years down the road to find Colorado with a really expensive roster.
 
Not that I want him on this team, but McKenzie reporting that Winnipeg not far from listening in on offers for anyone on their team, including Kane.
 
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