Salary Cap: 2014/2015 New York Rangers roster & salary cap

[BarbaraAlphanse]

Disagree w/you there, KD.
It's a matter of marrying most complementary talents.
Kreider - Miller - MSL = max speed
this should be the line, and it will be our first or second.

I think that Nash has at least one more year with us.

I like that first line the way it is currently constructed. Nash is just not producing. It would be regarded as our first if he was scoring at a normal pace.

Miller with Hags and MSL would be gold, IMO.

Keep the Brass line. Either resign Poo or sign someone a little bit more consistent (with the same offensive potential on a more frequent basis) with the money we save from Richie's contract.

Resign Boyle and Moore for the 4th line. Or at least Boyle and put Lindberg on the 4th to replace Moore's minutes.

Those would be the moves I look to make on offense. Really, I'd like to sign someone more consistent than Poo to be on the 3rd line left wing. I'd like to keep our top line and our 4th line the same as they are now. And I'd like to give Miller a shot with MSL and Hags on the 2nd line. Keep as much of the core the same, keep continuity - we haven't had that in years and it has hurt our growth as a team. LA trusts one another. Chi trusts one another. Bos trusts one another. That's why they've been getting far every year.

I wouldn't be opposed to Stastny, either, if he was looking for reasonable money. There's no reason to believe that he'll look for a reasonable contract as opposed to the highest cap number he can get. That's what makes him a red flag for this team - but playing style, I think he'd fit on this team a lot better than Richie.

That being said, I think Miller deserves that spot. We drafted him for 2c duties and he's ready to make the jump to the NHL. He was averaging a PPG in the AHL. He's ready.

 

[bernmeister]

if skjei turns pro i think we move staal.

moving nash needs to be looked into highly...
i think we could get something like Kadri and torontos first for him. Nash has waived to there before and you know they want another scoring winger. if not toronto is also in need of defensemen so maybe girardi to pair with dion for kadri or tht first whichever they want more

Should not be cause and effect.
Should be basic ?, is it more profitable to keep or trade him, based on the return/versus cost of keeping him, taking into account his production.

 

[Trxjw]

I doubt Edler wouldn't waive his NTC to come to a city like NY. Publicly stating that you won't waive your NTC just eliminates teams that aren't attractive from getting into the bidding.

Staal is one of my favorite players on this team. He played spectacularly the first two rounds. I'm not saying that I would be for a Staal for Edler swap... but there is some undeniable benefit to this swap.

Edler has the capacity of putting up 50 points in a year. If he plays 82 games a year, he's projected to surpass 40, and his ceiling hasn't even been realized offensively yet.

Meanwhile, Staal tops out around 25/30. That's 15-25 more points from a blueliner a year.

I do however think that Edler would be significantly cheaper than a straight up swap for Staal. That would be a super stupid deal because conceivably we should be able to get Edler for less. He had an abysmal year. Unwilling to waive his NTC which will only lower his price more.

But if it were at all possible, somehow being able to pry Shattenkirk from the Blues would be the most beneficial trade I can think of, like Viper mentioned.

It's nice to imagine that Edler would do that, but not all players want the life that comes with being a Ranger. Curtis Glencross, Chris Neil, and several others have refused to leave smaller markets because they have no desire to play in NY.

I didn't mean we'd be dealing Edler for Staal, I just mean that with Edler at $5M and Staal at likely $750k more per year, we're not saving much room on the cap, and we're actually adding to the cap crunch in the short term because they really can't exist on this team at the same time. I think Edler probably fits the mold of this team a bit better than Staal stylistically, but Staal is also an important leader in the locker room.

 

[haveandare]

Step is kinda in a similar situation that Cally was. He is going to command more money than he deserves. He hasn't shown a commitment towards his conditioning in the offseason.

Even as a 2nd line center, I'm not entirely confident with him. Guys like Miller/Lindberg could someday outperform him.

Still, he is a decent trade piece in a package.

...based on what exactly?

He was just short of 60 points this year, projected for far more last year, and he's provided very solid defense for quite a while.

Not a 2nd line center is serious hyperbole. Miller hasn't been able to earn his ticket to the NHL while Stepan is playing 1C on a team in the finals. Lindberg is behind Miller. I hope they both pan out well and I would be ecstatic is either or both of them turned into Stepan, or more than Stepan, but to raise that as a realitisc possibility is a huge exaggeration at this point.

 

[Trxjw]

Correction, we are about to get swept in the SCF with Stepan as our #1 center.

So? You said "not to expect much" with Stepan as the #1C. So unless your definition of "much" means a Cup, you're just shoveling crap.

 

[Brooklyn Ranger]

I don't think this year should define Stepan--he didn't go through training camp because of the contract issues and he's now playing with a broken jaw. Yet he was second behind Zucc in scoring during the regular season and is tied for second in scoring during the playoffs.

Oh, and he's going to be turning 24 next week. It's way too early to write him off--even as a 1st line center. Especially when one of your top three centers (who was signed to be the Rangers #1 center) is Brad (can't move my aching bones any faster) Richards and Stepan's line-mate is Rick (I'm playing well, just not scoring in the playoffs...yet) Nash.

 

[Killem Dafoe]

For some reason, every time that I try to respond to one of your posts, my internet wipes out completely. What the hull?

Y u do dis to my wifi, killem?

And, similar to my argument about why Kreider should be on our first line this year, I will make the same one with Miller.

He is regarded as one of our top prospects and he needs as many minutes and exposure to playing with good line mates to develop into the best player he can become.

Hagelin's speed allows him to be defensively more responsible. St. Louis will mentor him as they go. He will learn more from his experience with MSL than any coach can teach him. And he'll be getting 14-17 minutes per game in the hardest league he has yet to play in and master.

Even if he doesn't come out of the gate flying, that spot should be his for at least like 40 games.

lol I have my computer set to "stun anyone who disagrees with you"

No doubt he makes the team next year, and I'm not saying I don't want him playing top 6 minutes, I just think he's got a little ways to go yet before given that responsibility. He's a great player, no doubt, he played well in the post season, but still has some confidence issues. Let's hope next season he's really ready to make the jump, because if his play in the AHL is any sign of things to come, we should be set. He just needs to evolve that effort and production to the NHL level.

Basically, it's you're gambling if you put him in a top 6 role. It's about the faith in the player. I understand those who have it in him to play those minutes. I just don't yet.

 

[hagg18]

I didn't mean we'd be dealing Edler for Staal, I just mean that with Edler at $5M and Staal at likely $750k more per year, we're not saving much room on the cap, and we're actually adding to the cap crunch in the short term because they really can't exist on this team at the same time. I think Edler probably fits the mold of this team a bit better than Staal stylistically, but Staal is also an important leader in the locker room.[/QUOTE]

I don't think Vancouver is going to trade Edler, but if they would...something like this?

Staal to Car
Ward from Car to Van
Markstrom from Van to Car
Edler from Van to NYR

Would that be a fair deal? If not Edler Kessler seem to want out of Van, but I'm not sure if he's what NYR needs...

 

[Vinny DeAngelo]

Kreider-Stepan-Nash
Hagelin-XXXXX-St. Louis
XXXXX-Brassard-Zuccarello
XXXXX-boyle-Dorsett

this lineup has one key flaw in my opinion.
The vast majority of our talent is on the right side
if we can get one of the 3 left handed right wingers to play the left side that could help balance the lineup more i suggest this lineup:
Zuccarello-Stepan-Nash
Kreider-Brassard-MSL
Hagelin-Miller-Fast
Lindberg-Boyle-Dorsett

our defense is going to be an issue because of the contract we gave to to girardi so i have us set up as
Mcdonagh-Girardi
Staal-klein
Moore-Mcilrath

obviously it isnt good to go into the season relying on so many rookies but i think they could be successful and cap friendly.

id perfer signing stralman over staal though but i dont think that is wat is going to happen

if danny kristo can make a massive jump this off season. his right handed shot would be very helpful

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

I didn't mean we'd be dealing Edler for Staal, I just mean that with Edler at $5M and Staal at likely $750k more per year, we're not saving much room on the cap, and we're actually adding to the cap crunch in the short term because they really can't exist on this team at the same time. I think Edler probably fits the mold of this team a bit better than Staal stylistically, but Staal is also an important leader in the locker room.

I don't think Vancouver is going to trade Edler, but if they would...something like this?

Staal to Car
Ward from Car to Van
Markstrom from Van to Car
Edler from Van to NYR

Would that be a fair deal? If not Edler Kessler seem to want out of Van, but I'm not sure if he's what NYR needs...[/QUOTE]

edit: I don't know why its not letting me quote you, but I bolded the quote so you can see my response more clearly.

I'd argue that a player like Edler, if not Edler himself, is exactly what this team needs. There absolutely should not be too much tinkering to this squad, right now. We need a little big more size on the wing and a little bit more offense on the blue line.

McD w/ 43 pts.
Staal w/ 14
G w/ 24
Stralman w/ 13
Moore w/ 15
Klein w/ 6
Del Zotto w/ 11
Falk w/ 2
Diaz w/ 2
Allen w/ 0
McIlrath w/ 0

That's a total of 130 pts for our blueline this year. AV's teams in Vanc had 150-180.

We're about 20 points back of AV's ideal blue line output.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

lol I have my computer set to "stun anyone who disagrees with you"

No doubt he makes the team next year, and I'm not saying I don't want him playing top 6 minutes, I just think he's got a little ways to go yet before given that responsibility. He's a great player, no doubt, he played well in the post season, but still has some confidence issues. Let's hope next season he's really ready to make the jump, because if his play in the AHL is any sign of things to come, we should be set. He just needs to evolve that effort and production to the NHL level.

Basically, it's you're gambling if you put him in a top 6 role. It's about the faith in the player. I understand those who have it in him to play those minutes. I just don't yet.

I think the way that they handled Kreider... they should handle Miller. Miller has to fine tune parts of his game, but if this F.O thinks he's the solution... he has to play there. No more shifting him to wing and what not.

Let him play in his natural position. They drafted him 14th overall, I believe. That's high-end talent placement. Place him with an Art Ross trophy winner who will help him grow. Place him with a guy who can cover up defensive mistakes more often than other wingers can.

Place Miller in a position to succeed, just as you placed Kreider. That's how to properly develop prospects.

I understand the narrative that you're promoting is in essence a very ideal route. Earn your way. I get it. But he's still developing, and I think the best thing to do for this franchise moving forward, is being able to develop our young talent as best as we can. Putting him on the line with MSL and Hags may be unwarranted from the play that we have seen but it puts Miller in the best position to succeed for this franchise moving forward. It also adds someone who can skate with two guys with serious burners. Richards holds that line back, currently. Miller would only make us a faster line up.

 

[Blueshirt Believer]

So? You said "not to expect much" with Stepan as the #1C. So unless your definition of "much" means a Cup, you're just shoveling crap.

Not really, you seem to be illustrating form your previous post that Stepan is good enough as a 1C because we made the SCF.

I'm saying that is a faulty proposition.

 

[Blueshirt Believer]

...based on what exactly?

He was just short of 60 points this year, projected for far more last year, and he's provided very solid defense for quite a while.

Not a 2nd line center is serious hyperbole. Miller hasn't been able to earn his ticket to the NHL while Stepan is playing 1C on a team in the finals. Lindberg is behind Miller. I hope they both pan out well and I would be ecstatic is either or both of them turned into Stepan, or more than Stepan, but to raise that as a realitisc possibility is a huge exaggeration at this point.

As I have said before, it largely depends on if he takes that next step. Can he be legit 2nd line center? Sure, if he develops his athleticism.

Thats a decision management is going to have to make.

 

[Doctyl]

Miller hasn't proven to be able to play in the NHL and you guys are penciling him in for a top 6 role on a team that wants to contend for the cup?

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

Miller hasn't proven to be able to play in the NHL and you guys are penciling him in for a top 6 role on a team that wants to contend for the cup?

Wasn't that the same knock on Kreider before this season? How could we pencil him in for a top 6 role when he was constantly up and down the line up? It's about optimization. Miller couldn't find a consistent spot for two reasons. One he needed to fine tune areas of his game. As the season went along you could see his play rounding out nicely. He was more dominant with each coming stint. The second reason is the lack of space on the roster for him. We played with 5 centers on the team. 5. Miller needs minutes. AV would put him in no matter the hole. Winger or center.

With Richards bought out, that solves the 2nd problem - lack of adequate minutes for a top prospect on the cusp. He needs a top 6 role. He might not earn it off the bat, but he needs to play there. He's a big part of the plans.

 

[Blueshirt Believer]

Miller hasn't proven to be able to play in the NHL and you guys are penciling him in for a top 6 role on a team that wants to contend for the cup?

Where did anyone say Miller was ready for a top six role? I know I said that maybe someday Miller could outperform Step.

But I never said Miller could step into a top six role next season.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

Where did anyone say Miller was ready for a top six role? I know I said that maybe someday Miller could outperform Step.

But I never said Miller could step into a top six role next season.

I'm saying Miller is ready for top 6 minutes... mainly because, he is.

 

[Blueshirt Believer]

I'm saying Miller is ready for top 6 minutes... mainly because, he is.

I don't personally see that for Miller next year. #3 center? Sure. I can see that.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

I don't personally see that for Miller next year. #3 center? Sure. I can see that.

It's about investing for the future. Invest time into Miller now, he'll pay dividends down the road. Kreider paid dividends his first year, Miller can do the same.

 

[Blueshirt Believer]

It's about investing for the future. Invest time into Miller now, he'll pay dividends down the road. Kreider paid dividends his first year, Miller can do the same.

Its not a equivalency though. Different players, different positions. Way more work developing a responsible center.

 

[haveandare]

As I have said before, it largely depends on if he takes that next step. Can he be legit 2nd line center? Sure, if he develops his athleticism.

Thats a decision management is going to have to make.

60 points and good two way play isn't enough for a good second line center?

Can you name some other players who you consider good second line centers?

 

[Idlerlee]

Trade:

Rick Nash + John Moore for TJ Oshie + Kevin Shattenkirk

Buy-out:

Brad Richards

If the Rangers manage to sign TJ Oshie I will literally lose my ****, that'd just be too good

 

[bernmeister]

Miller hasn't proven to be able to play in the NHL and you guys are penciling him in for a top 6 role on a team that wants to contend for the cup?

Yes!
And:
Miller has nothing to prove in the A.
Top 6, 3rd line, as I said before, key is where to the players best complement each other. Because of speed, I content best fit is Kreider + MSL.

Also to be fair, Miller has been jerked around. A lot.
I like a lot of what AV has done, but keeping the likes of Pyatt, etc. holding back first Kreider then Miller totally bums me out.

We are better off in the long run letting these guys make mistakes here, and focusing on helping them through the learning process, not trying to get in their heads and break them

Thought we'd buy out Richards, ok there was SOME production.
What good is it now that he's run out of gas?!

Would have been better, ultimately, losing Pyatt + Richards + max time for Kreider, Miller.

 

[Vinny DeAngelo]

everyone acts like richards was so responsible defencely..
richards couldnt back check or play well in the zone and was awful breaking out of the zone.

only thing richards did well is power play point play in the offensive zone.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

everyone acts like richards was so responsible defencely...

I don't think anyone acts that way.