Speculation: 2014 - 2015 New York Rangers :: Roster building / proposal thread

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One of Miller or Lindberg will be ready. And quite frankly, I'd rather have one of them in the lineup than one year it mercenary work from Ribeiro or Roy at any cost.

We could've put Fast on the third line, or even Miller at the wing, if we wanted to put youth into the lineup.

Rangers had a chance to add a guy who has proven he would be able to do well in 3rd line minutes at an important position.

With MZA, we have 1/3rd of a good 3rd line. With Miller or Lindberg, we have an unproven third line, and hopefully MZA can carry whoever they put with him.
 
One of Miller or Lindberg will be ready. And quite frankly, I'd rather have one of them in the lineup than one year it mercenary work from Ribeiro or Roy at any cost.

Ready for what exactly?

Ribeiro or Roy could have been had as (very) cheap insurance policies if Miller or Lindberg aren't, in fact, ready....which is a very real possibility.
 
One of Miller or Lindberg will be ready. And quite frankly, I'd rather have one of them in the lineup than one year it mercenary work from Ribeiro or Roy at any cost.

I'm not advocating the signing of either, but wouldn't a mercenary be the perfect scenario? If either yoot is ready, perhaps there is a trading market for the mercenary, deadline or otherwise. If either isn't ready, they can get meaningful minutes and better prepare for being called up while the Rangers have a competent NHL centerman and can still compete for a playoff spot. I think it is the perfect spot for a mercenary.
 
We could've put Fast on the third line, or even Miller at the wing, if we wanted to put youth into the lineup.

Rangers had a chance to add a guy who has proven he would be able to do well in 3rd line minutes at an important position.

With MZA, we have 1/3rd of a good 3rd line. With Miller or Lindberg, we have an unproven third line, and hopefully MZA can carry whoever they put with him.

Just because a player is proven doesn't make it the right move to bring that player in over someone unproven. And we DO want to put youth in the lineup. Last year doesn't matter. People underestimate the value of the offseason to players on the cusp.

I don't think Zucc will be on the third line next year anyway. Nash or MSL is going to play LW, and I'd bet on Nash. Either that or Nash is on the third line. AV likes his duos, and right now that's Stepan/Kreider and Brassard/Zuccarello. Those are the top two duos.
 
Just because a player is proven doesn't make it the right move to bring that player in over someone unproven. And we DO want to put youth in the lineup. Last year doesn't matter. People underestimate the value of the offseason to players on the cusp.

I don't think Zucc will be on the third line next year anyway. Nash or MSL is going to play LW, and I'd bet on Nash. Either that or Nash is on the third line. AV likes his duos, and right now that's Stepan/Kreider and Brassard/Zuccarello. Those are the top two duos.

When the proven player is proven to be good at the position you want him to play, especially for 1 year 1 million, you do it. Especially when you just lost a good, proven third liner and then would still have room for youth on the wing.
 
I'm not advocating the signing of either, but wouldn't a mercenary be the perfect scenario? If either yoot is ready, perhaps there is a trading market for the mercenary, deadline or otherwise. If either isn't ready, they can get meaningful minutes and better prepare for being called up while the Rangers have a competent NHL centerman and can still compete for a playoff spot. I think it is the perfect spot for a mercenary.

In this particular situation, I'd rather have the young players competing with each other for a spot and address it if it becomes a problem than sign someone who doesn't fill a real need. 3rd line wing is a much bigger issue than 3rd line center.
 
In this particular situation, I'd rather have the young players competing with each other for a spot and address it if it becomes a problem than sign someone who doesn't fill a real need. 3rd line wing is a much bigger issue than 3rd line center.

What? Absolutely not. Fast could handle 3rd line wing duties. If Miller was ready for 3C, he could also handle wing duties.
 
In this particular situation, I'd rather have the young players competing with each other for a spot and address it if it becomes a problem than sign someone who doesn't fill a real need. 3rd line wing is a much bigger issue than 3rd line center.

thinking that center is the tougher position to throw someone into. Would prefer a decent centerman, with MSL and the winger could be less "ready". Need a centerman, who's good on faceoffs and competent defensively (not Joel Otto, but competent). I haven't seen enough of any of these kids. It just seems as though, from the majority of posters, that Miller isn't ready and I think that's the I'd rather have a less ready winger than less ready centerman in the lineup. Again, need 60 points from MSL. That's what he's here to do and does it seemingly every year.
 
What? Absolutely not. Fast could handle 3rd line wing duties. If Miller was ready for 3C, he could also handle wing duties.

Miller is not a winger, no matter how much people want him to be. If Fast can handle 3W, why can't Miller or Lindberg handle 3C? The argument is circular.
 
At times, Miller has looked uncomfortable to me while playing the wing. I don't think it has anything to do with playing the wing, however. He's looked like a trainwreck at times at center.

I don't really see Lindberg as a third line NHL center at any time in his career, let alone 2014-15.
 
I still don't think we're looking for Miller/Lindberg to center Zuccarello or MSL anyway.

Both Zucc and Marty should be in the top-6 and as of now id be looking at

Either Nash or Zuccarello will be on the LW to start the season IMO.


Nash Stepan St. Louis
Kreider Brassard Zuccarello

or

Kreider Stepan St. Louis
Nash Brassard Zuccarello


The third line will feature Hagelin on the LW, Miller/Lindberg in the middle, and one of Kristo/Haggerty/Fast/UFA

Hagelin Lindberg/Miller Kristo/Haggerty



Glass and Moore on the 4th line. Still hoping we sign Ryan Carter for the 4th line.
 
Huh?

A player didn't play well out of position so he's not ready?

What sense does that make?

No. Center is the most difficult position to play, and good centers have routinely been able to handle wing duty. I forgot who it was on the Flyers team that went to the SCF 4 years ago, but one of Carter, Giroux, Mike Richards or Briere were played on the wing. Malkin plays on the wing. And it's not just elite players- Brian Boyle played on the wing all year last year. I forget if it was Step or Arty, but one of them played on the wing in 2011-2012.

A good C should be able to play on the wing. I'm saying if Miller would actually be an important part of a good 3rd line, and not just a passenger to Zuke, he should be able to handle the wing just fine.
 
Miller is not a winger, no matter how much people want him to be. If Fast can handle 3W, why can't Miller or Lindberg handle 3C? The argument is circular.

Fast came up and, while he didn't light up the world, he took soft minutes and did not hurt the team in them. Miller, on the other hand, did. Considering C is harder to play than wing, I think Fast-Rib-MZA would be better than Fast-Miller-MZA.

Hopefully Slats is waiting until he can grab Stempniak or Penner for around a million, because that's the only way i'd be happy with Miller at 3C.
 
The kids are going to have to play eventually so we may as well embrace it. JT has looked good when he played center when Brassard was hurt.

Id prefer to play the kids in a year where we have a 1st round pick. Team is no where near good enough right now.
 
No. Center is the most difficult position to play, and good centers have routinely been able to handle wing duty. I forgot who it was on the Flyers team that went to the SCF 4 years ago, but one of Carter, Giroux, Mike Richards or Briere were played on the wing. Malkin plays on the wing. And it's not just elite players- Brian Boyle played on the wing all year last year. I forget if it was Step or Arty, but one of them played on the wing in 2011-2012.

A good C should be able to play on the wing. I'm saying if Miller would actually be an important part of a good 3rd line, and not just a passenger to Zuke, he should be able to handle the wing just fine.

But then what about all the players that look like **** out of their natural position?

Vinny Lecavalier is awful on the wing. Seguin's full potential wasn't even being scratched because he was stuck on Bergeron's wing. They tried Matt Duchene at wing at it worked terribly for Colorado.

Every player is different. Saying "Malkin sometimes plays wing" doesn't justify anything that has to do with Miller. They're different players.
 
They need to trade Miller before he Del Zotto's. He is one of their few assets right now. Staal and Miller can get probably get a good center.
 
But then what about all the players that look like **** out of their natural position?

Vinny Lecavalier is awful on the wing. Seguin's full potential wasn't even being scratched because he was stuck on Bergeron's wing. They tried Matt Duchene at wing at it worked terribly for Colorado.

Every player is different. Saying "Malkin sometimes plays wing" doesn't justify anything that has to do with Miller. They're different players.

Is Vinny awful on the wing, or is it because he's entering his mid-30's and past his prime? Was Seguin's full potential not being scratched, or was he a 21 year old NHLer playing with an elite talent and doing just fine?

Point is, Miller did not look good enough at 3C to not take a chance on a guy like Ribeiro if we're trying to compete for a cup. I think most centers can play just fine on the wing (i'll give you Matt Duchene) and Miller could've gotten a roster spot if he deserved as WELL as having a fairly guaranteed good 3C in Ribs. If not? He's gone in a year and Miller can take 3C if he doesn't **** the bed this year. Now, we have no idea what we have there.
 
Is Vinny awful on the wing, or is it because he's entering his mid-30's and past his prime? Was Seguin's full potential not being scratched, or was he a 21 year old NHLer playing with an elite talent and doing just fine?

Point is, Miller did not look good enough at 3C to not take a chance on a guy like Ribeiro if we're trying to compete for a cup. I think most centers can play just fine on the wing (i'll give you Matt Duchene) and Miller could've gotten a roster spot if he deserved as WELL as having a fairly guaranteed good 3C in Ribs. If not? He's gone in a year and Miller can take 3C if he doesn't **** the bed this year. Now, we have no idea what we have there.

Matt Duchene is one year older than Seguin, why doesn't Seguin count?

Vinny has never been good on the wing from what I understand.

I'm not even arguing your last point. I'm just saying that you can't make the statement "you should be just as effective on the wing if you're a center", because every player is different.
 
At times, Miller has looked uncomfortable to me while playing the wing. I don't think it has anything to do with playing the wing, however. He's looked like a trainwreck at times at center.

I don't really see Lindberg as a third line NHL center at any time in his career, let alone 2014-15.

I do agree that Miller's struggles at the NHL level have less to do with the position he played in and more to do with the fact that he's a young player who's just trying to figure out how he fits as a NHL player. It's not uncommon for a young player to struggle. We seem to forget that. Staals, McDonaghs, etc are the exception, not the rule. I think Miller will eventually become a decent 2nd/3rd line tweener at center, but I think we're going to have to be patient with him.

And I really disagree about Lindberg. He's not really bad at anything, and he's a smart player. He reminds me of Hagelin (not speed or similar skillsets at all) only in the way that Hagelin has been an even better NHL player than he was a NCAA player. Some players just have something click for them at a later stage of their development. For Hagelin, it was his senior year in college followed by his NHL debut where he really realized how he could use his dynamic speed to be a factor every shift if he kept his motor going. In the same respect, I see Lindberg finding his strengths at the NHL level and becoming a solid 3rd line center who does a little bit of everything. Call it a hunch, but I just saw something click in him about halfway through the season with the Pack last season. He did put up 44 points in 75 games in his first AHL season. And while Miller put up 43 points in only 41 games during the same season, I just see Lindberg's game translating better in the 3C role right now. And again, I see Miller having the higher ceiling (potentially a 2C), with Lindberg topping out at a great 3C, I just feel like Lindberg's more physically and mentally ready to handle that role right now. I could be completely wrong, but that's my thought right now.

I think there's no doubt that between the two of them, one of them grabs the 3C spot with authority in training camp.

The issue is then that Stepan is still playing as a 1C, and Brassard as a 2C, when it would be ideal to have each of them playing down a line. It worked last season, but Lindberg/Miller can't be expected to provide the type of scoring depth that Brad Richards did in the same spot. I still think Sather has something up his sleeve (Joe Thornton, Eric Staal, Ryan O'Reilly). If not, we may see some growing pains early on in the season.

On a semi-related note: No more Marc Staal trade proposals please.

Assets available in a potential trade for a 1C:

Stepan
Brassard
Miller
Klein
J. Moore
McIlrath
Fast

(yes, Stepan is included, because he's due to make 6+ million long-term next season, and that may not be the best thing for this team going forward, and if you can upgrade a somewhat one-dimensional (he's a passer who rarely even looks to shoot) 1/2 C tweener like Stepan to a legitimate 1C under 30, it's worth it IMO)
 
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