2014-2015 General Wild Discussion Thread IV

[BigT2002]

I have high hopes of at least making the playoffs. This team showed me last year they can excel when they get there. But man, this slumping every December-February is getting old quick.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I fear that Minnesota is going to be a few games out, so Fletcher doesn't make any moves at the deadline. Guys like Brodziak, Dubnyk and Carter walk without any compensation, we end up with the 13th overall pick, pick another 'safe' guy that we develop into a two-way player and then rinse and repeat.

Carter and Dubnyk will both be brought back, I think. Losing Brodz for nothing isn't ideal, but far from a organizational setback.

 

[57special]

You keep saying that; I think it's pretty clear that goaltending was the issue. Not a coincidence that the meltdown ended right when we got a new goalie.

yes, it's not very complicated.

 

[this providence]

Carter is re-signed regardless of where the Wild finish to fill Brodziak's role.

Barring Dubnyk bleeping the bed the rest of the way, he's the Wild's goaltender next year. No idea how anyone can see it differently, let alone expect the team to trade him by the deadline. Oh. Wait...

The Wild haven't been able to give away Brodziak for the better part of a year. Yes, he probably has some sort of minimal value as the deadline nears, being a depth center. Expecting the Wild to move him though, for nothing that helps them for the stretch run given what he adds to the team, is an idea not born in reality. Such is HF, though.

 

[JudgeJimmie]

Carter is re-signed regardless of where the Wild finish to fill Brodziak's role.

Barring Dubnyk bleeping the bed the rest of the way, he's the Wild's goaltender next year. No idea how anyone can see it differently, let alone expect the team to trade him by the deadline. Oh. Wait...

The Wild haven't been able to give away Brodziak for the better part of a year. Yes, he probably has some sort of minimal value as the deadline nears, being a depth center. Expecting the Wild to move him though, for nothing that helps them for the stretch run given what he adds to the team, is an idea not born in reality. Such is HF, though.

You don't think if Dubnyk has an awesome rest of the year and makes some kind of playoff run that he won't want to test free agency? It's not only up to the Wild.. How much salary cap room will it take to re-sign him? 3M? 4M? If I'm Dubnyk and I finish out this year .920+ save % and make a playoff run / saved a teams season I'm looking for my payday.

 

[Jarick]

Yeah...demand is sky high for a $3m fourth line center good for about 20 points per year.

 

[Minnewildsota]

You don't think if Dubnyk has an awesome rest of the year and makes some kind of playoff run that he won't want to test free agency? It's not only up to the Wild.. How much salary cap room will it take to re-sign him? 3M? 4M?

Hell no. At max he'll get 2. I doubt he'll go looking as he would be the #1 here but would be #2 elsewhere. Plus, apparently, his family is moving here.

 

[Jarick]

You don't think if Dubnyk has an awesome rest of the year and makes some kind of playoff run that he won't want to test free agency? It's not only up to the Wild.. How much salary cap room will it take to re-sign him? 3M? 4M?

Nobody's going to give Dubnyk $3-4m per year based on half a good season.

Ilya Bryzgalov played fantastic down the stretch with the Wild and into the playoffs, made a great run, and he didn't get signed until after the season started.

I guess Dubnyk at most will cost $1.5-2m on a 2-3 year deal.

 

[this providence]

You don't think if Dubnyk has an awesome rest of the year and makes some kind of playoff run that he won't want to test free agency? It's not only up to the Wild.. How much salary cap room will it take to re-sign him? 3M? 4M? If I'm Dubnyk and I finish out this year .920+ save % and make a playoff run / saved a teams season I'm looking for my payday.

Not particularly. He's bounced around some and experienced what it's like to no longer have stable footing. Not to mention there's not a ton of teams out there seeking starting goaltenders. Even less that are in the place the Wild are in terms of competing.

If the rest of his run works out here, he and this team will have a good feel for each other. Not saying he'd sign for nothing, but if the Wild made a reasonable offer I think it's something that would get done well ahead of FA.

 

[JudgeJimmie]

I think we all know 34 year old Bryz and 28 year old Dubnyk are two different animals..

3M probably is a bit high, but I guess my point is it's not only the Wild's decision, and I think if Dubnyk shows he can play like he was in Az and in Mn this year some other teams may be interested.

Bryzgalov also got a 2.8M contract from the ducks eventually...

 

[Jarick]

Bryz's cap hit is $1.9m because he signed two months into the season. That's about the high end of what I'd imagine Dubnyk would sign for.

You also have to remember, Bryz was a very good goalie for many years before playing for Philly. Dubnyk has been average to terrible playing for some bad hockey teams. This is his first good year.

I don't think anyone's offering him more than a 2-year deal, and I don't see anyone offering more than $2m per.

 

[57special]

I have high hopes of at least making the playoffs. This team showed me last year they can excel when they get there. But man, this slumping every December-February is getting old quick.

Amen.

If we can just avoid injuries I'd like to see us squeeze in. I do think we can make some noise this year.

 

[BurnsyMN]

Amen.

If we can just avoid injuries I'd like to see us squeeze in. I do think we can make some noise this year.

Pull an LA Kings- slip in as the 8th seed and dominate every team in our path to a Stanley Cup victory? A guy can dream right?

 

[DANOZ28]

Pull an LA Kings- slip in as the 8th seed and dominate every team in our path to a Stanley Cup victory? A guy can dream right?

yes! a guy can and should dream but its important to note the kings had a very good team for 4 or 5 years prior. we are just now becoming a top 10 team imo.

 

[JudgeJimmie]

Bryz's cap hit is $1.9m because he signed two months into the season. That's about the high end of what I'd imagine Dubnyk would sign for.

You also have to remember, Bryz was a very good goalie for many years before playing for Philly. Dubnyk has been average to terrible playing for some bad hockey teams. This is his first good year.

I don't think anyone's offering him more than a 2-year deal, and I don't see anyone offering more than $2m per.

All true.. I have a feeling he will definitely be on the high end of these deals and probably break 2M if he stays above a .920% for the rest of the season. Not saying the Wild can't afford it though.. Basically pay him what is left over after Backstroms buy-out cap hit?

Still a ways out, who knows if by the end of this year we will still want him. Long ways to go here! I hope he goes the rest of the way and earns a 3M+ contract because that means he will have like a .950+ save %

 

[Minnewildsota]

He's not getting a 3m+ contract so don't worry about it.

Side note: What's the cap supposed to be next year? 69 or 72?

 

[tomgilbertfan]

He's not getting a 3m+ contract so don't worry about it.

Side note: What's the cap supposed to be next year? 69 or 72?

Was projected to go to like 73 or 74, but now that the Canadian dollar is falling the last I've heard is around 71.

 

[tomgilbertfan]

7. No contract talks yet between unrestricted free agent Devan Dubnyk and Minnesota. His save percentage is .943 with the Wild, reviving the team’s playoff chances after a netminding meltdown. It is .923 for the season in 27 appearances. Who is better than that in as many opportunities? Craig Anderson, Braden Holtby, Steve Mason, Carey Price, Tuukka Rask and Pekka Rinne. Dubnyk lacks their pedigree, as he was staring into the abyss last summer. He is putting himself into a nice bargaining position, but you wonder if, after everything he’s been through, fit is the most important thing.

From Friedmans' 30 thoughts

 

[rynryn]

a season full of dominating wins has it's merits and I'd prefer that but...the drama of having a team surging to pull themselves out of a pit against long odds is more fun for me. I wouldn't wish for them to do it on purpose but it makes it more exciting IMO.

 

[tomgilbertfan]

Russo says "As someone who is in the locker room every day, you couldn't even IMAGINE how good Backstrom has been with Dubynk, there's no resentment there, shooting the breeze and joking around with Dubynk. Backstrom is one of the smartest people I've talked to in my life. I would have long conversations with him during the lockout that would just blow my mind. He knows where this is going and to be that professional to Dubnyk says a lot about him."

 

[FVM]

Russo says "As someone who is in the locker room every day, you couldn't even IMAGINE how good Backstrom has been with Dubynk, there's no resentment there, shooting the breeze and joking around with Dubynk. Backstrom is one of the smartest people I've talked to in my life. I would have long conversations with him during the lockout that would just blow my mind. He knows where this is going and to be that professional to Dubnyk says a lot about him."

That's great to hear. So the recent interview was basically just venting in a bit more candid manner to a Finnish journo, nothing more. Great to see he's as professional as ever. Not that I doubted that.

edit. Now I'm curious about those conversations Russo had with him. Pondering the vast and ancient cosmos? The culture evolution of mankind and its state at 2012?

 

[thestonedkoala]

Carter is re-signed regardless of where the Wild finish to fill Brodziak's role.

Unless Carter decides to leave.

No idea how anyone can see it differently, let alone expect the team to trade him by the deadline. Oh. Wait...

Because it's a smart organizational move. Trade him at the deadline, sign him back in the offseason?

The Wild haven't been able to give away Brodziak for the better part of a year. Yes, he probably has some sort of minimal value as the deadline nears, being a depth center. Expecting the Wild to move him though, for nothing that helps them for the stretch run given what he adds to the team, is an idea not born in reality. Such is HF, though.

Because the rest of the year is the same at the deadline as teams make a push toward the playoffs? Because we've had so many injuries at center that Fletcher was reluctant to let Brodziak go without a backup plan. If Minnesota is out of the playoffs by the trade deadline, it would be smart to move Brodziak and call up someone like Groavac for the rest of the year to give him some reps in before turning him back to the AHL for next year.

 

[123TripleDoge]

Is there anyway we could set up an official wild gif / vid thread going? It's so hard going back thru gdt's to find em

 

[Minnewildsota]

In your opinion.

Why would Dubnyk sign back here if we trade him away after 1-2 months? Do you think before you post?

 

[this providence]

Unless Carter decides to leave.

The same Carter who couldn't find a job all offseason, playing where he wants to play. Uh huh. Right...

Because it's a smart organizational move. Trade him at the deadline, sign him back in the offseason?

Hilarious. No other word for it. This happens all the time, right? Get real. Seriously.

Because the rest of the year is the same at the deadline as teams make a push toward the playoffs? Because we've had so many injuries at center that Fletcher was reluctant to let Brodziak go without a backup plan. If Minnesota is out of the playoffs by the trade deadline, it would be smart to move Brodziak and call up someone like Groavac for the rest of the year to give him some reps in before turning him back to the AHL for next year.

Or, you, know, forgo the mid round pick they're likely to get and allow Brodziak and Graovac to stay were they're at while making a run at the playoffs. Continuing to developing Graovac into the scorer he's turning into instead of forcing him into a checking role in the NHL that you were just complaining about in another thread...