Olympics: 2014 — Switzerland Roster (Released, post #1)

SCBdude

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You are no BEZINA fan obviously, but IMO draw too quick conclusions about everybody backing Simpson on that one.

While I agree language arguments are stupid you can not avoid them in CH.

Your appreciation of Winter Classic coverage is subjective. I enjoyed it and fans(in the French part) would not have understood TV not bringing the Bezina question, as it was in the press and internet and not only in Le Matin.

I am not specially fan of his or of GS but he is, right now, the most complementary option on the side list.
Although he has his defensive flows(like all our defense), his physical presence is necessary in front of own goal and in corners and to get respect when it needs to.

OUR DEFENSE IS TOO SMALL: Streit,Blindenbacher,Seger,Diaz,Weber all small guys for hockey defenses. Only Vauclair 1.84,Josi 1,87 are relatively big.

The oponents are not the WC oponents, bigger and better forwards.

Not clear to me how you can see two reconvalescents (SBISA,FURRER), and two small defenses(BLUM,GROSSMANN) before him. You could put bigger DU BOIS, I would anderstand.

Sbisa? so far 9 games. Comes from a bad Lockout season and non existant actual one. Not in shape for an Olympic tournement and moreover on big ice, not his best surface. He starts ice practice these days how can he be ready?

To go on with FURRER is a big RISK, specially that we know now of his recurrent head and neck symptoms.

I read he went to States for treatment.

I like BLUM GROSSMANN GEERING but we need size and experience. Geneva's captain has it.

Not sure I follow you on BEZINA'S résumé that everybody can see? The stats? the experience? He got more International games that the three above mentionned together.

I agree. The fact that we're calling Vauclair relatively big shows how much size we lack. Bezina should have been on the team from the beginning instead of Blachenbinder but if Furrer can't play Bezina should be the first choice.
 

stv11

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You are no BEZINA fan obviously, but IMO draw too quick conclusions about everybody backing Simpson on that one.

Well, compared to what we can see in other roster threads around here, or the ****storm we had every time Krüger picked Paterlini or Della Rossa over Nüssli or another "flavour of the month" scorer, I'd say Simpson gets off pretty easily. Not that he hasn't earned it.

While I agree language arguments are stupid you can not avoid them in CH.

It has never been discussed so far (at least for as long as I can remember), and certainly doesn't need to start now.

Your appreciation of Winter Classic coverage is subjective. I enjoyed it and fans(in the French part) would not have understood TV not bringing the Bezina question, as it was in the press and internet and not only in Le Matin.

I admit I didn't watch the live coverage (I was at the game), but just quickly had a look at it when I returned home and I found the whole "we can do it too" spirit pathetic. Hockey in outdoor stadiums has been done regularly for years in many places like Sweden, the US, Germany, Bern or Zagreb in that Roman arena, and I never felt that anyone hinted that Geneva was somehow dumber than all those places and not capable to pull it off.

Regarding the Simpson interview, with Switzerland about to play in the Olympics fresh off its best performance ever, there are so many interesting questions that could have been asked that nitpicking on specific player choices feels completely out of place (and even if you want to go that route, the inclusion of Weber or the non inclusion or Gerber were bigger surprises than anything regarding Bezina). Maybe that's what the average fan wants to know, but the fact that more people care about the British royal family's whereabouts than about the situation in Syria doesn't make the Daily Mail quality journalism.

I mentionned RTS and Le Matin because they are the only medias that identify as "romand". The Bezina situation was of course covered by Tribune de Genève, as GSHC is their local team, but I assume La Liberté was more worried about Monnet or Sprunger (just a guess I admit, I haven't read that newspaper for ages).

I am not specially fan of his or of GS but he is, right now, the most complementary option on the side list.
Although he has his defensive flows(like all our defense), his physical presence is necessary in front of own goal and in corners and to get respect when it needs to.

OUR DEFENSE IS TOO SMALL: Streit,Blindenbacher,Seger,Diaz,Weber all small guys for hockey defenses. Only Vauclair 1.84,Josi 1,87 are relatively big.

The oponents are not the WC oponents, bigger and better forwards.

Unlike many posters over here, I simply don't believe that size is a hockey skill. Some players know how to use their size at their advantage (Gardner is one), but in the end being big doesn't bring much by itself and you can be an efficient defenseman even if smaller. Have a look at Du Bois' goal against Canada in 2011 (3:40 of that video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNVWnIrWQ9U ) and see how Reimer can't see the puck coming because Phaneuf can't get Rüthemann out of the crease.

If you equate size with physical play, don't forget that Switzerland has performed a lot better recently against Canada's "in your face" style of hockey than against Sweden's cerebral and mistake free system. It's no longer the team that was outmuscled out of every puck back in 2002.

Not clear to me how you can see two reconvalescents (SBISA,FURRER), and two small defenses(BLUM,GROSSMANN) before him. You could put bigger DU BOIS, I would anderstand.

Sbisa? so far 9 games. Comes from a bad Lockout season and non existant actual one. Not in shape for an Olympic tournement and moreover on big ice, not his best surface. He starts ice practice these days how can he be ready?

To go on with FURRER is a big RISK, specially that we know now of his recurrent head and neck symptoms.

I read he went to States for treatment.

Furrer (of whom by the way I'm not a big fan, I just mentioned he's not out yet) was a risk two weeks ago and that didn't stop Simpson from picking him, so I guess he won't be in a hurry to replace him. Sbisa is a special case. I agree his NHLer status made him a bit overrated and his current injury is a huge concern, but on the other hand he's still a top 8 defenseman when healthy (not to mention he's a good fit with Streit). At some point you have to ask yourself if an 80% Sbisa is worth less than a 100% Bezina.

I didn't consider Du Bois because although I like him as an NLA defenseman, after seeing him many times at the World Championship I think he reaches his limit when playing against good WC teams and would be out of place at the Olympic. He may be bigger than Grossmann, but Grossmann is a much more physical player so I don't get that argument. Blum is the one having the best season out of the three defensemen from last year's team that didn't make it, he has to be in the discussion, even though his style doesn't make him the obvious replacement for Furrer (a point I already made in my last post).

I like BLUM GROSSMANN GEERING but we need size and experience. Geneva's captain has it.

I already commented on size, and this defense has experience with Streit, Seger, Blindebacher and Vauclair. Guys like Diaz, Josi and Weber aren't exactly newcommers either.

Not sure I follow you on BEZINA'S résumé that everybody can see? The stats? the experience? He got more International games that the three above mentionned together.

I'm talking about the missed coverages, about how he is easily outskated on any lose puck, about the power play opportunitines wasted because the defense gets back into position during the time it takes him to control a pass, about the terrible passes that destroy a scoring chance or worse, creates one for the opponent.

Experience (something, again, we don't lack) alone doesn't make you a good player. His shot may be an interesting weapon on the power play, but we already have Weber as defenseman with a good shot but suspect in other aspects of the game, and others like Streit, Josi, Seger and Diaz are also good PP players without as many shortcoming.
 

BMongrain

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Bezina has just not the level for the olympics. He played lots of international tournaments, but never played really good. He's defense game is just awful and he's way too slow.
 

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Bezina is alright, but the competition has gotten tougher and tougher in Switzerland. I agree that size is no hockey skill and a smaller player might indeed use his size better than a bigger one, but IMO it couldn't hurt to have one tougher guy in your line up, one that not only can take a hit but also distribute one. But it's not like our defense has a big hole now without Bezina - he wasn't even on the WC roster last spring with Streit, Sbisa and partly Diaz missing.

After all I trust Simpson and believe that he has assembled the best roster available, but I wonder a bit what he saw in Weber. He's great on the powerplay, but aside from that... well he's versatile and could also be used as a forward if there is need for it.

On a side note I find it interesting that there seemingly are some sentiments "against" the Swiss-German in the French and Italian speaking parts of Switzerland. I really don't believe that language played any factor in the selection process, if you're better than the rest you get selected, otherwise not. It's a non existent topic in Swiss German media.
But Italian speaking Lara Gut brought this topic up at the Sports Awards, and now you can read it again here with the Romands.
 

Richi

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After all I trust Simpson and believe that he has assembled the best roster available, but I wonder a bit what he saw in Weber. He's great on the powerplay, but aside from that... well he's versatile and could also be used as a forward if there is need for it.

I´m quite happy with Webers game as of late. He first tore up the AHL and is now consistently playing his part in the Canucks line-up. Last game was an extreme but he showed his ability to step up and take responsability.
Unexpectedly, the one NHL-player we should be worried about is Diaz, who spent 3 out of the 5 last games as a healthy scratch.
 

jonas2244

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Diaz was sick yesterday, that's why he didn't play.

Weber is a solid choice for the 4th pairing, no question. He was fine in Vancouver 2010 when Krüger put him in this role, he was awful when he got first-pairing minutes at the beginning of the tournament. And he can shoot.

With Streit, Josi, Diaz and Weber on the blueline in the PP we don't have to hide, that's a lot of class for this job and not many teams are better and deeper on this specific role.
 

Richi

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Diaz was sick yesterday, that's why he didn't play.

Sorry, didn´t know that. Still, the fact remains that he has lost his place in the permanent line-up, being in the press box for two games prior to the last two. Therrien doesn´t seem to be confortable with any of his defensive pairings and the odd man out could be Diaz, even though he´s played better than Bouillon, Murray and Emelin IMO.
 

stv11

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On a side note I find it interesting that there seemingly are some sentiments "against" the Swiss-German in the French and Italian speaking parts of Switzerland. I really don't believe that language played any factor in the selection process, if you're better than the rest you get selected, otherwise not. It's a non existent topic in Swiss German media.
But Italian speaking Lara Gut brought this topic up at the Sports Awards, and now you can read it again here with the Romands.

It's something you see regularly from journalist looking for an easy article for people who don't know better, last time it was when Michel Pont wasn't choosen to replace Hitzfeld (you'd think a lack of coaching resumé would be a good enough explanation). But I don't remember seeing anyone not caring about a Swiss national team because of a lack of French speaking, like you can see sometimes in Quebec. And it's the first time it's even an issue with the hockey national team, hopefully it will die out quickly.

Anyway, back to hockey.
 

ElTailR

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First look of Berra's mask

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Love it
 

ElTailR

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Here are the 8 that will go to Sochi and that are on the sidelist waiting for the NHL guys to come

Lukas Flüeler (ZSC Lions)
Martin Gerber (Kloten)
Goran Bezina (Genève-Servette)
Eric Blum (Kloten)
Patrick Geering (ZSC Lions)
Robin Grossmann (Davos)
Patrick von Gunten (Kloten)
Julian Walker (Lugano)

I don't get why there is only 1 forward as we have two in NHL
 

jonas2244

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Probably means, that Sven Bärtschi would be the next forward which would get a call.
 

stv11

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And don't forget Moser, I guess he will be allowed to join at the same time as the NHL players. It means there will be 3 goalies, 9 defensemen and 12 forwards for the two exhibition games. A full roster with an extra defenseman to cover for Furrer.
 

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Any idea when the jersey numbers will be announced? I would like to order a jersey before the tournament starts but want to make sure I have the right player number. And the ochsner hockey online shop doesn't help much(besides saying that Nino will wear #21)
 

stv11

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I don't think there will be any anouncement before the list appears on the tournament page on the IIHF website, but all players will probably keep their usual jersey numbers.
 

Leafsdude7

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Any idea when the jersey numbers will be announced? I would like to order a jersey before the tournament starts but want to make sure I have the right player number. And the ochsner hockey online shop doesn't help much(besides saying that Nino will wear #21)

Elite Prospects seems to have some inside info or something (no sources are provided for their roster lists):

http://www.eliteprospects.com/team.php?team=1673

Not sure how official those are, but most of them look like what I would have guessed.
 

jgoud*

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This is a really short team, especially on the backend. Besides Gardner and Nino, everyone is 6'1 or under.
 

stv11

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Yes but for example who will wear #51?

On a side note, any news on Bodenmann and Furrer injuries?

Who else than Gardner would wear 51?

Seems like Bodenmann will be fine, he should be able to practice again this week. Still nothing about Furrer.
 
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Che vy Teemuchuk

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It's Wilhelm Tell! It's awesome :yo: Any idea what Hiller's mask will look like?

When I saw it I assumed it would be a tribute to some historical/mythical figure. So glad to hear that it's indeed so. I'm a bit of a nerd for such things. I absolutely love this. :)

ps. Since you guys own Team Canada at international tourneys, can I please request that you really run up the score on Mike Smith if he's in net against you during a non-elimination game (if it's possible for such a thing to occur in the schedule). I don't want him anywhere near our net during elimination play.
 

ElTailR

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Oh sorry, i'm so used to see the 51 in Geneva's net I was sure he had the 51 too with national team

Bad ass! Love it indeed. Is the character a particular person from Swiss history? Or type of person?

I really don't know, didn't find any news of this on Airxess (the team that made the mask). But the opposite is the town of Zurich

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I'm not sure if it's the finished version.

BUT! I love Berra's mask but Hiller's one is pure beauty!

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As for Airxess
So here it is. Choosing the 'right' face, body an hairs for a 'living' Helvetia, our female national personification of Switzerland, was really tough.
Not too old, too young, too skinny etc... We think, we have done it right. But you decide!
For us she looks proud and ready to stand for the Swiss Hockey guys at the Winter Olympics in Sochi.
 

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