Proposal: 2013 Offseason: UFAs, Trades, and Potential Buyouts | Part II

[sensfandan]

does it worry anyone else that murray offered, Lehner, Zibby, And Silf/Smith, for nash.

i really hope that was a rumour

The rumour was Zibby, Foligno, and Bishop. I highly doubt they offered Lehner and Silfverberg

 

[Micklebot]

does it worry anyone else that murray offered, Lehner, Zibby, And Silf/Smith, for nash.

i really hope that was a rumour

The rumour was Zibby, Foligno, and Bishop. I highly doubt they offered Lehner and Silfverberg

In either case, it was a solid prospect, a 3rd/2nd line tweener or another solid prospect, and a high end goalie prospect. Neither option really decimates the team, but adding Nash would have really helped the offense now. I'm happier not having done it, but I wouldn't be too heartbroken had we picked him up, so long as I ignore that Foligno turned into Methot.

 

[Pavlikovsky]

I heard that it was Zibanejad + Lehner + Foligno for Nash + Methot

 

[operasen]

Edmonton looking to move Horcoff and Hemsky. Also may be interested in trading down if they get a player.

Wonder if Ottawa 1st plus Michalek would get us Edmonton 1st (Monahan) and Horcoff. He plays tough minutes and would stabilize the 3C.

I think Monahan is the best fit for us in this draft if we can get him.

 

[Icelevel]

Edmonton looking to move Horcoff and Hemsky. Also may be interested in trading down if they get a player.

Wonder if Ottawa 1st plus Michalek would get us Edmonton 1st (Monahan) and Horcoff. He plays tough minutes and would stabilize the 3C.

I think Monahan is the best fit for us in this draft if we can get him.

no it would not

 

[bert]

Watching Wiercioch develop and turn his game around, I think he has top pairing potential, which I've seen him capable of after that brilliant performance in NCAA. Kind of like how McDonagh developed later than people expected.

People who didn't want Wier in the A this year wouldn't catch my drift. He was the best all-around defender, simply brilliant both ends of the ice with at least one amazing end-to-end rush a game.

His offensive ability is already good enough for the NHL but if he can fix up his defensive tendencies he'll be an elite top 4.

He is massively underrated by this fan base, he delivered more breakaway passes then any player in the nhl last year with limited ice. Like Cowen his development curve is a long one but his upside is enormous. That being said he needs to play sheltered minutes until he gets stronger, with the loss of Gonchar this team needs a stop gap top 3 D man, it should be a veteran. Realistically right now only Karlsson and Methot are legit top 4 guys, if Alfie stays around this organization owes it to him to go get someone. If Alfie is done I believe they should go into full blown re build mode.

 

[YNWA14]

I wouldn't be nervous about what Murray was prepared to offer for Nash. I think they know what they have in this team now, and what they expect from its players. If they're packaging up for someone big I suspect they'll do it the right way.

With that said a lot of people tend to forget that you have to give to get.

He is massively underrated by this fan base, he delivered more breakaway passes then any player in the nhl last year with limited ice. Like Cowen his development curve is a long one but his upside is enormous.

I actually really like Wiercioch as a prospect. He just thinks the game a high level. He doesn't have Cowen's defensive abilities (yet) and he'll never have the physicality, but I think he has nearly as much upside and probably a higher chance of reaching it because I think he's a smarter player.

 

[Sensinitis]

I actually really like Wiercioch as a prospect. He just thinks the game a high level. He doesn't have Cowen's defensive abilities (yet) and he'll never have the physicality, but I think he has nearly as much upside and probably a higher chance of reaching it because I think he's a smarter player.

Also because his potential role down the line, two way defenseman or offensive defenseman that can provide 40-50+ points(trying to stay modest for now), is worth more than a shutdown defenseman. Although Cowen's upside is not like any other shutdown defenseman's. It's very high as well considering his size and the potential further development of his offensive game.

 

[Sun God Nika]

Also because his potential role down the line, two way defenseman or offensive defenseman that can provide 40-50+ points(trying to stay modest for now), is worth more than a shutdown defenseman. Although Cowen's upside is not like any other shutdown defenseman's. It's very high as well considering his size and the potential further development of his offensive game.

I can see wiercioch being a 30-40 point guy, if he ever does register 50 points i will gladly eat crow soup, or drink it, i like broth

 

[Sensinitis]

It all depends on his defensive game IMO. If he works on it enough for the coach to have confidence in him to use his offensive skills and play 1st PP, 50 may be a bit of a stretch but 40 points is realistic. Depends on Wier though.

 

[StefanW]

I think Wiercioch is a weird spot right now. I think the team would correctly prefer to have a solid shutdown guy in the 5/6 slot beside Phillips. Wiercioch is more of an offensive player with great passing ability and the potential to run the #2 powerplay unit now that Gonchar is gone. The thing is that Wiercioch is not particularly suited to top 4 minutes either, because he still needs to be sheltered against the toughest opponents and minutes. I think his name comes up in trade rumors on a semi-regular basis because he is a solid asset who could help a lot of teams, but he may not be the best fit for the Sens at the moment.

 

[mcnorth]

I think Wiercioch is a weird spot right now. I think the team would correctly prefer to have a solid shutdown guy in the 5/6 slot beside Phillips. Wiercioch is more of an offensive player with great passing ability and the potential to run the #2 powerplay unit now that Gonchar is gone. The thing is that Wiercioch is not particularly suited to top 4 minutes either, because he still needs to be sheltered against the toughest opponents and minutes. I think his name comes up in trade rumors on a semi-regular basis because he is a solid asset who could help a lot of teams, but he may not be the best fit for the Sens at the moment.

And all that said, he would be a perfect fit if he played the right side. Bummer.

I really hope they try him on the right and he gets some time there. As I've said in other places, he has a good shot and I like him on his off-side. I am very comfortable with starting the season with Phillip-Wier as the 5-6 pair and Patty running the second PP unit. (Cowen and Gryba as the two towers at 3-4)

 

[Senateurs]

Disagree, Smith is a perfect 4th line centre for us.

I'm OK with Smith as the 4th C but it seems like nobody wants to part with any roster player.

I still think we need a top four D above all else. We were consistently outshot night in and night out this past season, and our goaltending saved us. We can't expect our goalies to be in the .940 save percentage range year after year.

Completely Agree. The consensus around here is a top line player, which would be great but if we're going to be an elite team, we need to add another top 4 D.

He would be a player to sign to a 1 year deal through free agency. I don't see him as a guy to lose assets to get.

I was told that 31yo Cammalleri is to old, so I guess Whitney must be a dinosaur...

But seriously, I'm all for veterans that can bring cup experience.

The only thing this team needs is patience. We might not be able to replicate this season's result because we could lose both Alfredsson and Gonchar but long term I don't see Ottawa going anywhere but forward.

Before the playoffs started, I did a roster projection for the "worst" roster Ottawa could ice to start next year and it's not too bad. The forward are still shaky and we still need more RHD, but we've iced much worse rosters the past two seasons and done well.

Turris - Spezza - Michalek
Conacher - Zibanejad - Silfverberg
Condra - Smith - Neil
Greening - Pageau - Stone
O'Brien

Methot - Karlsson
Cowen - Gryba
Phillips - Wiercioch

Anderson
Lehner

Our backup players for next season aren't horrible either. Puempel, Noesen, Ceci, Prince, Borowicki, Da Costa, Hoffman, Grant, etc...Even by icing roster that only makes the cap minimum through the grace of performance incentives we are STILL a possible playoff contender. No changes required.

That is where I disagree with the "stay the course/be patient" crowd.

We can't afford to be patient, our window is opening now. We have two elite players and an aging star that we can't really replace. I'm not so sure we'll have another blend of veterans and young players such as this one. There are to many uncertainties if we keep waiting for god knows what.

We have a bunch of promising prospects but very few spots on the main roster. We always hear that we shouldn't trade the future for immediate success but it's exactly what we need to do now. The future is now.

 

[mcnorth]

I agree. If Alfie stays we need some help now. Maybe it comes through FA, maybe trades, or maybe someone within the organization breaks out. Move doesn't have to be made this summer, but if Alfie is around and we're in the play-offs then we need to be buyers. Not sell the farm, lose your head - but spend and go for it.

We have really nice prospects and there's a lot of hope there. But in the 'out' column you have:
- Alfie has maybe one more year, and he's not likely to be better.
- Michalek has one yr left, and some are concerned with injuries and his play sliding
- Gonchar is... gone
- Greening is a UFA who will likely garner interest
- Spezza's back. Back injuries scare me. It's a matter of when with bad backs... hopefully not the play-offs when it goes.
- Phillips is on his last year (and some would say last legs as well)

If we're going to compete, we'll need the veterans to contribute too. These guys, this vet core, won't be here much longer.

 

[Tkachuk27]

Hockey Talk (@TheHockeyTalk13) tweeted at 6:07 PM on Mon, Jun 10, 2013:
Source: Ottawa has alot of interest in forward Danny Briere and will target him in the off season. #nhl #sens

 

[BonkTastic]

Hockey Talk (@TheHockeyTalk13) tweeted at 6:07 PM on Mon, Jun 10, 2013:
Source: Ottawa has alot of interest in forward Danny Briere and will target him in the off season. #nhl #sens

Who the *#&% is "Hockey Talk"?

 

[Emerica]

Who the *#&% is "Hockey Talk"?

Dude, you don't know who Hockey Talk is? He worked with Hockey ********, NHL 24/7 and NHLInsider in the past.

Totally legit.

 

[Sensinitis]

Dude, you don't know who Hockey Talk is? He worked with Hockey ********, NHL 24/7 and NHLInsider in the past.

Totally legit.

 

[BK201]

Who the *#&% is "Hockey Talk"?

I thought his twitter was banned here.

 

[Sun God Nika]

Why is everyone so interested in Briere, hes going to be 36 at the start of next season, and he was on pace for 16 goals over a regular healthy season, his play is probably gonna regress further next season, that and he is more likely to get injured, we are looking for top line talent, not a second/third tweener.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Getting a guy like Briere as well as getting a top line forward like say Horton/Vanek would be an unbelievable off-season in terms of offense coming in.

We would need just one more top 3-4 defender and we'd compete for the East with a healthy roster, imo.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Why is everyone so interested in Briere, hes going to be 36 at the start of next season, and he was on pace for 16 goals over a regular healthy season, his play is probably gonna regress further next season, that and he is more likely to get injured, we are looking for top line talent, not a second/third tweener.

16 goals playing 3rd line minutes, not to mention he had a terrific playoffs. Nothing wrong with him as a depth scorer.

Spezza
Top Line Forward
Alfredsson
Silfverberg
Turris
Michalek
Briere

is A-OK in my books. As long as he is not the biggest offensive piece we get this off-season.

 

[Sensinitis]

Exactly. Briere's role in Ottawa would be more important than in Philly. He'd get first or second PP time and would play at the very least 2nd line minutes.

 

[BonkTastic]

Why is everyone so interested in Briere, hes going to be 36 at the start of next season, and he was on pace for 16 goals over a regular healthy season, his play is probably gonna regress further next season, that and he is more likely to get injured, we are looking for top line talent, not a second/third tweener.

Yes, but Briere is a great guy to bring in as a FA once we trade some of our 2nd/3rd line guys in part of a package for that top-line talent.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Yes, but Briere is a great guy to bring in as a FA once we trade some of our 2nd/3rd line guys in part of a package for that top-line talent.

Well said. The fact that we are pursuing Briere tells me a big move is coming.

Briere-Pageau

Could be an amazing pair.