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Proposal: 2013 Offseason: UFAs, Trades, and Potential Buyouts | Part II
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average first year? um what? as a rookie D-man cowen surpassed all expectations while also flaunting off some serious top end potential.
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mcnorth
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How can members of this board, who so vehemently argued how much more important a top four defenseman was than a top six forward was just last offseason (see: Methot/Foligno) now argue so vehemently the counterpoint? Really shows a lot of the 'philosophies' are more convenience than considered.
That said, last year I wanted to keep Foligno and now I want to keep Cowen. So yeah.
Internet ramblings are internet ramblings. Keep Cowen. Nice move for Methot.
That said, last year I wanted to keep Foligno and now I want to keep Cowen. So yeah.
Internet ramblings are internet ramblings. Keep Cowen. Nice move for Methot.
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BK201
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I think people underestimate Gryba's value. He's big, mobile, physical, good shot, RD with a right hand shot, extremely cheap RFA. Guys like Gryba do not grow on trees and he had a really good rookie campaign.
IMO I think Gryba is probably the most movable defenseman with mid pairing upside.
The right hand shot alone brings value and that hit against Montreal says a lot.
IMO I think Gryba is probably the most movable defenseman with mid pairing upside.
The right hand shot alone brings value and that hit against Montreal says a lot.
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I agree, there is no reason to move Gryba until someone better comes along. Ceci is also a RD but who knows how long before he is NHL ready? My own opinion is sooner rather than later & he will fit in nicely behind Karlsson & just ahead of Gryba on the right side one day. There is also Rutkoski on the right side but he will need at least a full yr in Bingo if not longer & may never be an NHLer. Of course, this draft it`s likely they add another defenceman or two.
On the left side there is Methot, Cowen & Wiercioch should be playing there in Ottawa, Phillips & Benoit as fill-ins & Boroweicki as the first call-up for the left side. If Sdao continues to develop quickly he will be hard to keep off the roster with his size & toughness, could be a yr or less away. There is always the option of trading for a top 4 defenceman but they are expensive & rare especially on the right side.
Two yrs from now:
Methot - Karlsson
Cowen - Ceci
Wiercioch - Gryba/Sdao replaces Wiercioch against the tougher teams.
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Don't all young guys start at the bottom & work their way up? Doesn't he have to prove he can handle the minutes & the tougher competition? Doesn't he have to earn it before they give it to him? I think so, but I also agree that he has 2nd pairing potential. I think he will start next season paired with Phillips & Phillips playing the right side & Wiercioch can work his way up from there.
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No, I think he starts the season in Bingo but at some point in the season likely before the trade deadline I think he finds his way to Ottawa. I think eventually he will be in the top 4 behind Karlsson on the right side replacing Gonchar depending only on how long it takes for him to get there.
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Phillips won't be used as a spare. Unless he really falls off he won't be scratched either for Sdao tbh.
As for the RD Ceci from what I've heard probably won't play this year and the value in the right D is the right hand shot.
If they could get Gryba to play second pp unit it's a tool not a lot of teams have.
As for the RD Ceci from what I've heard probably won't play this year and the value in the right D is the right hand shot.
If they could get Gryba to play second pp unit it's a tool not a lot of teams have.
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Watching Wiercioch develop and turn his game around, I think he has top pairing potential, which I've seen him capable of after that brilliant performance in NCAA. Kind of like how McDonagh developed later than people expected.
People who didn't want Wier in the A this year wouldn't catch my drift. He was the best all-around defender, simply brilliant both ends of the ice with at least one amazing end-to-end rush a game.
His offensive ability is already good enough for the NHL but if he can fix up his defensive tendencies he'll be an elite top 4.
People who didn't want Wier in the A this year wouldn't catch my drift. He was the best all-around defender, simply brilliant both ends of the ice with at least one amazing end-to-end rush a game.
His offensive ability is already good enough for the NHL but if he can fix up his defensive tendencies he'll be an elite top 4.
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Because he's young and inexperienced. Next year he's probably on the bottom pairing with Phillips and will see sheltered minutes and PP time. Cowen will probably anchor the second pair with whoever replaces Gonchar.
Can't stress how good Cowen is, it's a miracle he played at all this season, can't put too much stock into his play this season when he wasn't 100%. If keeps playing that way next year we'll talk, but I have a feeling he'll be much improved to start the season.
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I see a lot of similarities between Luke Schenn and Jared Cowen. Especially in the way that they're being talked about. Not necessarily in their skillsets.
He had an average first year. As in he didn't wow like a Jonas Brodin, and he wasn't terrible. He was steady for the most part and was a serviceable 4th defenceman. This year he was worse than that, but obviously had an excuse. With that said, he's a long ways away from being compared to Chara or being "untouchable" on this team.
He had an average first year. As in he didn't wow like a Jonas Brodin, and he wasn't terrible. He was steady for the most part and was a serviceable 4th defenceman. This year he was worse than that, but obviously had an excuse. With that said, he's a long ways away from being compared to Chara or being "untouchable" on this team.
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Historically when plyers return from injury (especially when they return "early") they have a great first week-and-a-half. After that the adrenaline is gone and the lack of game-fitness really shows.
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DrakeAndJosh
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One thing I saw from Cowen this season that he seemed to be lacking the season before was a mean streak. He has all the tools and I'm pretty confident next season he'll show why he was a top 5 projection.
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It was there, just needed to see it more consistently. Also worth mentioning, for the playoffs at least, we were facing 2 of the better Power play teams in the league, he may have been told by the coaching staff to ease up on that type of stuff for fear of getting penalties.
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does it worry anyone else that murray offered, Lehner, Zibby, And Silf/Smith, for nash.
i really hope that was a rumour
i really hope that was a rumour
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