Speculation: 2013 Offseason Thread Part V: Streit signs with PHI (4 years, $5.25M per)

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Lundqvist will sign a long term extension this summer. If its 8 years it takes him to age 40. He keeps himself in great shape. Tim Thomas led Boston to a Cup at 37. Martuy Brodeur was 40 when Jersey lost to LA in the finals. Its not now or never. The Rangers make the right moves and put a good team on the ice with Vigneault as coach,they wiil be very good for a while.
 
Clowe wanted $34M over 8 years from San Jose. His agent reportedly agreed to 8 years/$30M with the Flyers at the trading deadline but Philly couldn't complete a trade with SJ. $4.25M AAV and $3.75M AAV. Unless the market for Clowe has completely bottomed out,some team will pay him.

and if another team gives him more than 3 yrs at that then see ya. Oh well, I dont blame the Rangers for trying to win this yr, they have a small window and yea it sucks losing the picks but atleast they went for it.

I am fine with finding another replacement. If Ricahrds is bought out they can fit in Weiss at C and another gritty winger. I think those are the two moves. I like Brassard alot but it would be nice to have more C depth with Stepan, Weiss, Boyle as the top 4.
 
We're going to trade a guy who hit 40 points as a 21-year-old for a guy who has barely proven himself to be a capable 3rd liner? Why?

I didn't say we should, nor did I say that Connolly would necessarily be the only piece coming back. But he was a 6th overall pick in 2010 despite missing most of his draft year with a knee injury. He's been healthy since then. The points he put up in the NHL were as a 19 year old. 31 goals and 63 points in 71 AHL games as a 20 year old is pretty darn good.

If there's another way we can get him, I'm all for it. I think he's going to be a good player.
 
His lack of footspeed has been a problem since he came into the league. He has decent puck skills but he tries for the stretch pass too much and his skating is average at best.

I would love to keep him, but the fact of the matter is, this team needs offense somehow. UFA is not working obviously.

I was led to believe that the system stifled offensive creativity. :sarcasm:
 
Same could be said for Del Zotto, no?

Certainly, but thus far he hasn't shown much ability to play his off-side. While you're right that our defensive depth is exaggerated, I think our depth up front is in fact worse. I'd be willing to move Del Zotto in an effort to bolster that position and roll the dice on being able to find a competent 6th defender in another move.

I'm a little unconventional in my thinking that our PPQB isn't going to be a defender, at least in the immediate term. I think Brassard and Stepan are going to be the guys running the show on the PP. I don't think the PP has to be run by a guy on the point.
 
Certainly, but thus far he hasn't shown much ability to play his off-side. While you're right that our defensive depth is exaggerated, I think our depth up front is in fact worse. I'd be willing to move Del Zotto in an effort to bolster that position and roll the dice on being able to find a competent 6th defender in another move.

I'm a little unconventional in my thinking that our PPQB isn't going to be a defender, at least in the immediate term. I think Brassard and Stepan are going to be the guys running the show on the PP. I don't think the PP has to be run by a guy on the point.

Well, we can agree there.
 
Of course he is going to get better, but by that same token Del Zotto will likely as well. Players like Del Zotto are far more difficult to find than players like Connolly.

RH shots with 30 goal potential are easier to find? I don't really agree with that.

I just don't see Del Zotto ever beating out Staal or McDonagh for a top-4 spot, and he's wasted on the bottom pairing. I think getting good value for him makes sense for the team. Connolly alone won't do it, but if there's a solid "+" in there, it could be a good deal.
 
RH shots with 30 goal potential are easier to find? I don't really agree with that.

I just don't see Del Zotto ever beating out Staal or McDonagh for a top-4 spot, and he's wasted on the bottom pairing. I think getting good value for him makes sense for the team. Connolly alone won't do it, but if there's a solid "+" in there, it could be a good deal.

Define "30 goal potential." Mats Zuccarello has 30 goal potential. So does Brandon Saad. You tell me which one is more likely to hit it.

Yes, guys like Conolly are easy to find in comparison to 40-point defensemen. And no, not potential 40-point defensemen. Del Zotto has actually hit the mark (and was close to that pace this season as well).
 
If Clowe prices himself out of the Rangers comfort zone, then perhaps a 2 year deal for Ryan Malone at $2M is a bit more palatable. I think he'll be bought out and I know he considered coming here as a FA before settling on Tampa.
 
RH shots with 30 goal potential are easier to find? I don't really agree with that.

I just don't see Del Zotto ever beating out Staal or McDonagh for a top-4 spot, and he's wasted on the bottom pairing. I think getting good value for him makes sense for the team. Connolly alone won't do it, but if there's a solid "+" in there, it could be a good deal.

This is where I stand as well.

If Clowe prices himself out of the Rangers comfort zone, then perhaps a 2 year deal for Ryan Malone at $2M is a bit more palatable. I think he'll be bought out and I know he considered coming here as a FA before settling on Tampa.

I would be okay with that. Has to be very cheap
 
Define "30 goal potential." Mats Zuccarello has 30 goal potential. So does Brandon Saad. You tell me which one is more likely to hit it.

Yes, guys like Conolly are easy to find in comparison to 40-point defensemen. And no, not potential 40-point defensemen. Del Zotto has actually hit the mark (and was close to that pace this season as well).

I'm not exactly sure how else I can define it. We're talking about a highly touted player who was a high draft selection and is progressing quite well. Zucc and Saad have nothing to do with Connolly as a player.

It's a hockey trade. Giving up something of value to get something valuable in return. Del Zotto has scored 40 points, but he's also proven to be incapable of playing the right side of the ice on a regular shift, and is our 3rd best LHD. When you try and describe a player outside of the context of our own team, it doesn't hold any water. He's the 4th best defender on this team. Period. I'd absolutely be willing to trade him for a guy who has the potential to be a top scoring forward for this team. Would I rather trade him for an established player? Sure, but Connolly is simply the name that came up.
 
In 2009,VAN acquired Ehrhoff for nothing. SJ was looking to shed salary. Ehrhoff gave VAN 2 good years before he left as a free agent. There will be players availble this summer. The cap is dropping. Compliance buyouts will help. Some teams could decide to trade a player. The Rangers have so many players up for contracts in the next 13 months. They have other needs to fill. That costs money.

Its nice to get a west coast coach in the sense that he will know the players in that conference a little better than we currently does.
 
I'm not exactly sure how else I can define it. We're talking about a highly touted player who was a high draft selection and is progressing quite well. Zucc and Saad have nothing to do with Connolly as a player.

It's a hockey trade. Giving up something of value to get something valuable in return. Del Zotto has scored 40 points, but he's also proven to be incapable of playing the right side of the ice on a regular shift, and is our 3rd best LHD. When you try and describe a player outside of the context of our own team, it doesn't hold any water. He's the 4th best defender on this team. Period. I'd absolutely be willing to trade him for a guy who has the potential to be a top scoring forward for this team. Would I rather trade him for an established player? Sure, but Connolly is simply the name that came up.

Please show me the part of my post that stated or even implied that a Del Zotto trade in a vacuum is a bad idea. Whether we have the 1997 Detroit Red Wings defense corps or a bunch of AHL scrubs is completely irrelevant when discussing Del Zotto's trade value. Luke Schenn got the Leafs a guy who actually has hit the 20 goal mark and had the high potential and high draft position and all that nice fluffy stuff. Forgive me if I think Del Zotto is worth more than a guy with 6 career NHL goals and injury history.
 
and if another team gives him more than 3 yrs at that then see ya. Oh well, I dont blame the Rangers for trying to win this yr, they have a small window and yea it sucks losing the picks but atleast they went for it.

I am fine with finding another replacement. If Ricahrds is bought out they can fit in Weiss at C and another gritty winger. I think those are the two moves. I like Brassard alot but it would be nice to have more C depth with Stepan, Weiss, Boyle as the top 4.

Another team can only give Lundqvist 7 years. It won't get to that point because the Rangers will re-sign him. Small window? Where do see a small window? Teams are already lining up for Weiss and the the Rangers aren't in that group. FLA wants to re-sign him. Toronto,Dallas and Detroit are interested in trading for his rights and signing him.
 
If Clowe prices himself out of the Rangers comfort zone, then perhaps a 2 year deal for Ryan Malone at $2M is a bit more palatable. I think he'll be bought out and I know he considered coming here as a FA before settling on Tampa.

The buy-out market will be interesting to decipher - I mean, there is no market right now. We don't know exactly who is going to be bought out, and we don't know what the contractual market for bought out players will be. I agree it should definitely be explored.
 
Please show me the part of my post that stated or even implied that a Del Zotto trade in a vacuum is a bad idea. Whether we have the 1997 Detroit Red Wings defense corps or a bunch of AHL scrubs is completely irrelevant when discussing Del Zotto's trade value. Luke Schenn got the Leafs a guy who actually has hit the 20 goal mark and had the high potential and high draft position and all that nice fluffy stuff. Forgive me if I think Del Zotto is worth more than a guy with 6 career NHL goals and injury history.

Where did I say Connolly alone is worth Del Zotto? Nowhere. I said "if there's a solid '+' in there, it could be a solid deal." I have no idea why you're getting defensive about things, or acting like I made some outrageous claim about Del Zotto having awful trade value.

I like Connolly and I think he has 30 goal upside. I'd be willing to take a chance that we can get him before he reaches that potential, because once he does, Del Zotto will not garner him in a trade. Would I rather end up with a guy like JvR? Sure, but that trade had plenty of risk involved. JvR had seemingly stalled in his development after suffering a concussion and signing a huge extension.
 
Yeah, if Luke Schenn got the Leafs JVR, Del Zotto should really get us a young 30 goal scorer.

Schenn got Toronto a young kid who just signed a big extension, had yet to fully realize his potential, and had a concussion in the middle of the season. They also wanted to unite the Schenn brothers for a PR spin.

If you think Del Zotto is going to get us a 30 goal scorer, I think you're mistaken. In fact, I'd wager that whoever we get in return, will likely have some sort of red flag on his resume. Whether that's unrealized potential, an injury history, or some sort of inconsistency issues remains to be seen.
 
Schenn got Toronto a young kid who just signed a big extension, had yet to fully realize his potential, and had a concussion in the middle of the season. They also wanted to unite the Schenn brothers for a PR spin.

If you think Del Zotto is going to get us a 30 goal scorer, I think you're mistaken. In fact, I'd wager that whoever we get in return, will likely have some sort of red flag on his resume. Whether that's unrealized potential, an injury history, or some sort of inconsistency issues remains to be seen.

So what you are saying is Carolina will pay a ton for Staal?
 
If MZA isn't in the top six why have him around?

I don't think Miller has proven he is ready, I think he's proven that he deserves a shot out of camp and I expect him to get one. Really interested in seeing Fasth and Lindberg.

Miller was adequately ready as a rookie.
I agree he was not lights out from day one, and even I never said that.
That said, he did fine considering it was baptism under fire.
He has always been hard worker, has enough tools to be solid, beyond that, wait and see.

You heard it here.
Bernmeister predicts whether for roster juggling or otherwise, whether he starts in AHL, Miller will finish with NY, and will have noticeable contribution.
 
Zuccarello is better on the 3rd line than he used to be, not going to say he is super effective. I have no issue with having MZA on the team but it would be my hope he can play in the top six, while guys like Miller fill in on the 3rd.

I conditionally support this experiment.
The problem is Zuc barely has ok speed for regular play, and does not have great speed for breakaway to be single threat on offense. Only value besides shoot out (due to moves, not shot) is great passing. Can't play great D. Too short, Is regular strong. If he bulks up like Mike Tyson to kick ass bigger guys, he becomes way too slow. Can he improve his skating speed? But he still won't do 1 on 1 well with taller guys.

Two taller AND faster guys (Kreider + Nash) could work, but is that best use of resources.
 
Where did I say Connolly alone is worth Del Zotto? Nowhere. I said "if there's a solid '+' in there, it could be a solid deal." I have no idea why you're getting defensive about things, or acting like I made some outrageous claim about Del Zotto having awful trade value.

I like Connolly and I think he has 30 goal upside. I'd be willing to take a chance that we can get him before he reaches that potential, because once he does, Del Zotto will not garner him in a trade. Would I rather end up with a guy like JvR? Sure, but that trade had plenty of risk involved. JvR had seemingly stalled in his development after suffering a concussion and signing a huge extension.

Connolly is a good piece, but like you said, another big piece coming back in return.

The solid + can be a lot of prospects ranging from Tampa's ridiculously deep prospect pool. Palat, Namestnikov, Gudas and Kucherov all intrigue me.
 
The more I think about it, the more I think this team will be fine with the same forward core in the top 9 and keeping Richards for another season to see if he can rebound. He has to stay healthy though, and we need to pray he can avoid injury.

Clowe at 2 years 3.75 MAX anything else he walks.

Sign Nystrom

Bring in Douglas Murray for snarl on the blue line IF and ONLY IF we are trading DZ for a winger.

Go with this lineup

Hagelin Stepan Nash
Kreider Brassard Callahan
Clowe Richards Zuccarello
Nystrom Boyle Dorsett
Pyatt, Asham

McDonagh Girardi
Staal Del Z/Murray (if we trade DZ)
Moore Stralman
Eminger

Let the team develop. Buyout Richards in the summer and let Lindberg and Miller succeed him.

3rd pair UFA certain to clear the crease BUT he was slow going back to SJ.
Does he have adequate speed?
 
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