Speculation: 2013 Offseason Thread Part IV: Streit's rights to PHI for 2014 4th Rounder

[Nash Money]

I know we first have to get a coach, then see how the rest of the offseason and training camp goes, but how many 'kids' (not including Kreider) do you think start with the big club. I've seen a lot of people here penciling in Lindberg and leaving Fast, and more surprisingly, Miller, off.

 

[iamitter]

The Rangers have traded with Philly. Malakhov for a 2nd and Kozak. Lindros trade. Froese for Seaweed. It was a while ago but the teams have made trades. You can't limit yourselves to teams outside your division because it eliminates 25% of the NHL in the new NHL. No trades with Jersey or the Islanders. That's it. The Flyers need a D. Their fans want Shattenkirk or Petro from the Blues. Is that all? The Rangers have traded with Pitt too. Zubov and Nedved for Robitaille and Ulf. Kovalev for Nedved. Then Mikael Samuelsson and others for Kovalev.

If they want Petro, I hope they're ready to part with Giroux.

 

[iamitter]

I know we first have to get a coach, then see how the rest of the offseason and training camp goes, but how many 'kids' (not including Kreider) do you think start with the big club. I've seen a lot of people here penciling in Lindberg and leaving Fast, and more surprisingly, Miller, off.

Lindberg's a lot more ready than Miller. Very polished defensive game and he's not the type of player who will be hurt very much by playing at first on the 3/4 line. Miller needs minutes.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Del Zotto
Zuccarello
Skjei/McIlrath

Might be what they ask for, and you work it from there. I think Zucc would be a perfect fit in their system, he's cheap, and does a lot of the sort of things that made their fans overvalue Hemsky so much, so that could be a good pitch. We only have 2 good dman prospects, so I included them as an either/or.


BTW guys, Dominic Moore is not a Boyle replacement. Totally different players. Moore might be more of a Matt Cullen replacement.

Despite me being probably the biggest non-Norwegian Zuccarello fan, if he is part of a package bringing us Yakupov, I'd be the first to accept him being moved. Yakupov will be a star.

The only problem is the other package mentioned, which sounds more appealing to me (MPS+7th overall). Having a ready-to-play winger and a top10 pick (who can maybe play within 12 months) would be a better deal than getting 1 player who, let's face it, will be making 6 million in 3 years.

 

[cacchioli22]

Del Zotto
Zuccarello
Skjei/McIlrath

Might be what they ask for, and you work it from there. I think Zucc would be a perfect fit in their system, he's cheap, and does a lot of the sort of things that made their fans overvalue Hemsky so much, so that could be a good pitch. We only have 2 good dman prospects, so I included them as an either/or.


BTW guys, Dominic Moore is not a Boyle replacement. Totally different players. Moore might be more of a Matt Cullen replacement.

i honestly think it would take a little more like mdz, miller, and the first in 2014 or mcilrath

 

[NYR Viper]

Don't the Rangers also lack that same exact thing? I'm wary of anything that makes NYR easier to play against. The Bruins showed how soft they were even with Boyle.

Del Zotto
Zuccarello
Skjei/McIlrath

Might be what they ask for, and you work it from there. I think Zucc would be a perfect fit in their system, he's cheap, and does a lot of the sort of things that made their fans overvalue Hemsky so much, so that could be a good pitch. We only have 2 good dman prospects, so I included them as an either/or.


BTW guys, Dominic Moore is not a Boyle replacement. Totally different players. Moore might be more of a Matt Cullen replacement.

Moore is a hybrid 3/4c. On good teams he is a very good 4c which is what he would be with the Rangers.

 

[NYR Viper]

Despite me being probably the biggest non-Norwegian Zuccarello fan, if he is part of a package bringing us Yakupov, I'd be the first to accept him being moved. Yakupov will be a star.

The only problem is the other package mentioned, which sounds more appealing to me (MPS+7th overall). Having a ready-to-play winger and a top10 pick (who can maybe play within 12 months) would be a better deal than getting 1 player who, let's face it, will be making 6 million in 3 years.

I think that is where I am at as well. Especially because I see Pajaarvi as a good player still. Like Kreider he has the physical tools, it just takes guys like that a bit longer to put it together.

 

[iamitter]

Despite me being probably the biggest non-Norwegian Zuccarello fan, if he is part of a package bringing us Yakupov, I'd be the first to accept him being moved. Yakupov will be a star.

The only problem is the other package mentioned, which sounds more appealing to me (MPS+7th overall). Having a ready-to-play winger and a top10 pick (who can maybe play within 12 months) would be a better deal than getting 1 player who, let's face it, will be making 6 million in 3 years.

We'll be getting his prime years for 6 million instead of his starting-to-decline years for 8 million.

Yakupov is a hungry player and when he plays, he plays to win. I love seeing a player with the kind of drive like Yakupov because it usually means they will be a superstar (if they have the talent, obviously).

 

[Fitzy]

It would also surprise me if Sather brought back Moore after he knocked our organization.

If we did get him, I'd still want Boyle. I don't see any reason why we'd have to trade Boyle, unless an offer comes along we can't refuse.

 

[NYR Viper]

It would also surprise me if Sather brought back Moore after he knocked our organization.

If we did get him, I'd still want Boyle. I don't see any reason why we'd have to trade Boyle, unless an offer comes along we can't refuse.

If EDM asks specifically for him, considering they need a big, PKing, good on face-offs, bottom-6 center, I wouldn't hold the deal up.

I didn't see what he said as that big of a knock. It was true.

 

[SupersonicMonkey*]

If you trade Staal or Del Zotto, they'll have to be replaced - by a mystery player or a prospect. This team doesnt exactly have an embarrassment of riches on the blueline.

Would I dangle them? Sure. But I dont think trading either one of them is a sure thing by any means.

I think we are fine down the left side, and two thirds of our right.

McDonagh, Staal, Moore is very good moving forward, on the left.

Girardi and Stralman on the right.

Eminger as a 7th is more then adequate.

We would need further depth, no doubt about it, in case of injury. And again, we'd need that #6 on the right side.

Still, we have a very strong group of defensemen. Most team's can't boast having three legitimate top pair defensemen. And a guy on the bottom pair who has top four upside (Moore).

It's a risk, because of Staal's eye. But if you can get a potential franchise #1 center in Brayden Schenn or Sean Couturier in exchange for Del Zotto, you have to make that deal. Particularly if a team is "desperate" for an asset you have.

Our defense has not been our shortcoming in the last two playoff seasons. It has been our offensive production and power play.

I'd take Brayden Schenn for Del Zotto and run. Schenn has the potential to be every bit as good as Mike Richards.

 

[silverfish]

As self-voted Boyle hater #1 around these parts, dealing him would propose a pretty big issue. We need him for 4C. I'm not saying he's untouchable by any means, it just opens up another hole.

Don't really see us pushing a deal for Yakupov though.

Now imagine if the Rangers don't amnesty Richards this off-season? All these spec posts become worthless

 

[iamitter]

As self-voted Boyle hater #1 around these parts, dealing him would propose a pretty big issue. We need him for 4C. I'm not saying he's untouchable by any means, it just opens up another hole.

Don't really see us pushing a deal for Yakupov though.

Now imagine if the Rangers don't amnesty Richards this off-season? All these spec posts become worthless

I know many here take it for a given, but I could very well see them waiting until next summer.

 

[LetterJ]

I know many here take it for a given, but I could very well see them waiting until next summer.

The more and more I stare at capgeek, the more I convince myself that Richards stays this summer (when 4 RFA`s have to be signed) and they wait until next summer.

 

[silverfish]

I know many here take it for a given, but I could very well see them waiting until next summer.

As could I, sir. It's a huge risk because if he gets injured, the Rangers are absolutely ****ed. I think he can still be a 60 point guy though, maybe the Rangers brass doesn't want to throw that away lightly? Maybe the new coach can get more out of him?

I still think he gets bought out, but what if? This is a speculation thread, after all.

 

[Kershaw]

I think I would lean towards the #7 + over Yakupov.

If they can grab Paajarvi as well, there wingers would be HUGE moving forward. Nichuskin, Nash, Kreider, Pajaarvi. Hard to contain that many good skating big men.

Add to them Fast, Hagelin and Callahan who are all very good skaters as well and this team could easily turn up the speed of their game quickly.

Bad choice IMO.

 

[NYR Viper]

Bad choice IMO.

Would you like to expand on this?

Yakupov is another RWer and will undoubtedly carry a 6+ million dollar cap hit on his next contract. Callahan @ 4-5, nash @ ~8, Yakupov @ 6. That's a ton of money on the right wing.

 

[Fitzy]

It's my opinion that when it comes to picking wingers, you just go with the best one.

I'm not going to say no to a guy like Yakupov, and settle instead on a player who has shown little offense so far in MPS on the logic that we can't push Callahan down a wing at even strength.

 

[Ola]

Would you like to expand on this?

Yakupov is another RWer and will undoubtedly carry a 6+ million dollar cap hit on his next contract. Callahan @ 4-5, nash @ ~8, Yakupov @ 6. That's a ton of money on the right wing.

Just my opinion, but you gotta go with Yakubov.

There are really few players in this league, as below 10-15, who can really can open up a D and create offense on a regular basis by themselves. Yakubov isn't there but he could get there. You gotta taken him if you get a chance.

I've seen alot of several of the 7th overall options. They are fine prospects, no doubt, and its a decent draft, we are definitely not getting a sure thing at the 7th overall spot.

 

[NYR Viper]

It's my opinion that when it comes to picking wingers, you just go with the best one.

I'm not going to say no to a guy like Yakupov, and settle instead on a player who has shown little offense so far in MPS on the logic that we can't push Callahan down a wing at even strength.

And that's fine, I am not saying I totally disagree, but wouldn't that nullify the point of moving MDZ? They would move him because of too many LD's and not enough playing time, so they acquire another RW where they already have Callahan and Nash who will play 20+ minutes a night?

 

[Trxjw]

You have to be careful when it comes to adding to Del Zotto to acquire a player. We're not exactly teeming with depth here. Yakupov would be a great pickup, but you can't afford to set the team back again just to acquire a scorer.

Cally isn't completely inept on his off-wing, but yeah, resigning Cally and Yak would be tough.

 

[Kershaw]

Would you like to expand on this?

Yakupov is another RWer and will undoubtedly carry a 6+ million dollar cap hit on his next contract. Callahan @ 4-5, nash @ ~8, Yakupov @ 6. That's a ton of money on the right wing.

While true, Yakupov is a RWer, he is undeniably the much better player than anyone who'll fall at 7 and Paajarvi. You don't pass up on franchise talent to fill in depth. Besides, Callahan or Nash are far from locks being Rangers down the road. If it comes to that, you move on of them for another position.

 

[Kershaw]

It's my opinion that when it comes to picking wingers, you just go with the best one.

I'm not going to say no to a guy like Yakupov, and settle instead on a player who has shown little offense so far in MPS on the logic that we can't push Callahan down a wing at even strength.

Completely agreed 100%.

Paajarvi is like a non-physical Kreider. Limited offensive hockey IQ, but great tools. I don't think that's enough to compensate the difference between say a Nichushkin or Monahan, but just MO.

 

[KreidertheGlider]

Admittedly, I don't watch many Edm games so I have a few questions.

• Is Yakupov one dimensional? I have heard people comparing him to Gaborik.

•What is Paajarvi's upside?

•How does Yak compare to the other Big 4 in Edm?

I doubt either of these trades happen anyways but I'd still like to know just in case

Thanks for answering

 

[Jabroni]

Bobby Mac said on Team 1260 this morning that the Oilers are actively shopping the 7th pick. Rangers could get a very good player at #7. Question is whether or not they're patient enough to let him develop.

If Nichushkin is there, it's a no brainer, IMO. Kid is a Russian Rick Nash.

So DZ for MPS and a 7th is enough to make the deal? I would do that no problem. Yakupov would be awesome, but that's highly unrealistic.