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Speculation: 2013 Off-Season Speculation/Be a GM Thread II

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GregSirico said:
I think they are both "second liners"
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A "Second" line of
Hagelin - Stepan - Callahan

is too small and we've seen it in the Boston series, we don't necessarily want more "jam", but more size would help on that 2nd line.
Hagelin and Callahan were getting pounded and it showed. After the fact, I cringe at the thought they played with bum shoulders.
 
billyhauntswizards said:
Ok I LOVE Cally. Have his jersey and all. But he was NEVER a top line player. Never at all in his career did I think of him as a top line player (MAYBE in the 2010-2011 season) He's a special teams specialist with good hands and is defensively responsible. He's belonged on the second or third line since day 1, and he should go there now so he can excel in his role.
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This, people get too hung up on 1st, 2nd and 3rd lines being called such. What if we call them 1, 2a, 2b? Or 3 even scoring lines and a 4th line that is a grind line?

I honestly wouldn't mind our top 9 forwards being Nash, Stepan, Hagelin, Zucc, Kreider, Brassard, Cally, Clowe/FA, Richards/FA.

Say we keep Richards and give him one more shot (buy out after next season regardless even if he scores 100 points) and our lines look like this:

Kreider-Stepan-Nash
Hagelin-Brass-Cally
Clowe/FA-Richards-Zucc
Pyatt/Fast/Miller-Boyle-Dorsett

In the right system that lineup can succeed. 3 lines that can score and a 4th lines that is defensively responsible and can grind.

It's not about who is on what line, it's about what works. Is Kreider better than Cally right now? No. But he could absolutely be better on a line with Stepan and Nash than Cally.
 
Kwayry said:
A "Second" line of
Hagelin - Stepan - Callahan

is too small and we've seen it in the Boston series, we don't necessarily want more "jam", but more size would help on that 2nd line.
Hagelin and Callahan were getting pounded and it showed. After the fact, I cringe at the thought they played with bum shoulders.
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Hags speed on the 3rd line would be DEATH for some teams.
 
tall order, the Nash stepan callahan line was very good as well, but hags-step-nash line was our best
 
Kwayry said:
A "Second" line of
Hagelin - Stepan - Callahan

is too small and we've seen it in the Boston series, we don't necessarily want more "jam", but more size would help on that 2nd line.
Hagelin and Callahan were getting pounded and it showed. After the fact, I cringe at the thought they played with bum shoulders.
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That's a damn good line, but I think Nash and Stepan need to stay together. They work off of each other perfectly, and I didn't see a lot of chemistry between Brassard/Nash.
 
Brian Boyle said:
That's a damn good line, but I think Nash and Stepan need to stay together. They work off of each other perfectly, and I didn't see a lot of chemistry between Brassard/Nash.
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Putting Hagelin and Callahan on the 3rd line makes them more effective at what they do.
I agree,
Kreider - Stepan - Nash
Needs to stay together, looked good in the playoffs.
A bigger scoring winger is needed for the Brass line.
My candidate is Stafford.
 
Glen Sathers Cigar said:
This, people get too hung up on 1st, 2nd and 3rd lines being called such. What if we call them 1, 2a, 2b? Or 3 even scoring lines and a 4th line that is a grind line?

I honestly wouldn't mind our top 9 forwards being Nash, Stepan, Hagelin, Zucc, Kreider, Brassard, Cally, Clowe/FA, Richards/FA.

Say we keep Richards and give him one more shot (buy out after next season regardless even if he scores 100 points) and our lines look like this:

Kreider-Stepan-Nash
Hagelin-Brass-Cally
Clowe/FA-Richards-Zucc
Pyatt/Fast/Miller-Boyle-Dorsett

In the right system that lineup can succeed. 3 lines that can score and a 4th lines that is defensively responsible and can grind.

It's not about who is on what line, it's about what works. Is Kreider better than Cally right now? No. But he could absolutely be better on a line with Stepan and Nash than Cally.
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Yeah but Richards is gonna be gone. Question is can OL or JT fill that spot successfully? I think at least one should be able to.
 
Stafford is big and speedy, but he's a major head case. Very inconsistent and one-dimensional. Perhaps a change of scenery could do him good, like it did for Brassard. On the cheap, I wouldn't be opposed to it, although I'd prefer to get more of a proven top-6 winger.
 
I said it last year, Stepan and Nash should have been glued to each other. Let them work through the cold streaks and keep them together. Perfect players for each other when they're both playing well.
 
Brian Boyle said:
Stafford is big and speedy, but he's a major head case. Very inconsistent and one-dimensional. Perhaps a change of scenery could do him good, like it did for Brassard. On the cheap, I wouldn't be opposed to it, although I'd prefer to get more of a proven top-6 winger.
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If it means he can stop scoring his usual 2 GPG when he plays against us. But I really wouldn't want him.
 
Grind Jam Grind said:
I said it last year, Stepan and Nash should have been glued to each other. Let them work through the cold streaks and keep them together. Perfect players for each other when they're both playing well.
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Kreider is the perfect compliment to those two. Big, fast, gets to the net.

Thinking about it, Stafford and Kreider are similar players. Never noticed the similarities between those two.
 
Grind Jam Grind said:
If it means he can stop scoring his usual 2 GPG when he plays against us. But I really wouldn't want him.
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Why wouldn't you want him?
Last season he scored 20 Goals. The season prior, he scored 32.
I will take that production on this team any day.
A lot of players on the Sabres need a change of scenery, Stafford is one of them.
 
Brian Boyle said:
Stafford is big and speedy, but he's a major head case. Very inconsistent and one-dimensional. Perhaps a change of scenery could do him good, like it did for Brassard. On the cheap, I wouldn't be opposed to it, although I'd prefer to get more of a proven top-6 winger.
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More proven top 6 winger would cost you an arm and a leg.
 
Kwayry said:
More proven top 6 winger would cost you an arm and a leg.
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Flipping DZ for a winger is a move that is realistic and hardly costs an "arm and a leg". Love DZ, but the Rangers could get a really, really good winger for him. The D is stacked. The top-6, not so much.
 
Brian Boyle said:
Flipping DZ for a winger is a move that is realistic and hardly costs an "arm and a leg". Love DZ, but the Rangers could get a really, really good winger for him. The D is stacked. The top-6, not so much.
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That's the beauty of getting Stafford, it allows you to use DZ for more scoring punch.
 
Kwayry said:
You'll have to define soft. Stafford is not "soft". He gets his nose dirty in the high traffic area.
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Meh. Sometimes, yes. Other times, he's nowhere to be found.

He's Bobby Ryan-lite. Not as good offensively, just as inconsistent.
 
Kershaw said:
Wow, we share the exact same thoughts. :laugh: Probably should've skimmed through the thread before typing up that reply.

Just look at Detroit, a world class organization and how they handle their prospects. Tomas Tatar, probably the best player in the AHL with NHL pedigree production is still stranded down in the AHL to work on his overall game. Look at Gustav Nyqvist this year, two seasons of above PPG AHL production and even he isn't handled top 6 minutes on a platter like most Rangers fans are suggesting with Kreider. It's not like the Wings have absurd winger depth too. If Kreider was a Wings prospect, he probably wouldn't have been called up.
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Exactly! Gifting young players roles that they haven't earned is a dangerous move. You don't want your guys thinking that they're better than they are or that they are less accountable than they should be. Though I've disagreed with you about Cally in the past, I think you've got a point that he shouldn't have top TOI on the team with consistency. Having said that, Kreider should not be the one to knock his time down until/unless he earns that position.
 
Brian Boyle said:
Meh. Sometimes, yes. Other times, he's nowhere to be found.

He's Bobby Ryan-lite. Not as good offensively, just as inconsistent.
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I don't necessarily agree with that, but even if it's true, it's still a size/skill combination upgrade for this team.
If he was more consistent, he'd cost a lot more to acquire.
Giving up only mid rd pick and b prospect is worth the risk IMO.
 
Kwayry said:
I don't necessarily agree with that, but even if it's true, it's still a size/skill combination upgrade for this team.
If he was more consistent, he'd cost a lot more to acquire.
Giving up only mid rd pick and b prospect is worth the risk IMO.
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what about Foligno.. id consider dealing Del Zotto for Foligno. not a fan of Stafford unless its for cheap like for Bourque
 
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