Speculation: 2013 NHL Trade Deadline Thread (CBJ deadline discussion here)

[Xoggz22]

I don't think Moore has been lost in the mix as much as others have jumped to the forefront. It's great to see the young guys playing more minutes and seemingly handling them well at this time. One thing I think Prout has shown us (Aucoin to a degree as well) is that you need balance. I think this is true with what we see of Edmonton in a different fashion. Too much of one type of player does not appear to translate into success. One you have players that can skate like Moore, play smart like Murray, handle board play like Prout, etc. you start to see how pieces fit together. I think we've seen more success when "controlled chaos" was split up (due to injury or not). Spread the style of play 5 v 5 and load up on special teams.

Point is, we need balance within units and within the team. Moore has played well when healthy (especially in the AHL this year) and showed he could handle the NHL last year. Having players like JJ, Wiz, Toots, Aucoin and even Nikitin, to a degree, are pushing the young guys and teaching the young guys. Eventually they will be replaced/moved. When I see what Moore, Erixon, Goloubef, Prout (and hopefully Murray) are doing this really makes me excited. This doesn't factor in the next wave of guys like Reilly, Curcuruto, Madesky and one of our 2013 1st rnd picks (I have to believe we draft at least one D man in the 1st).

I don't trade them at this point. The young guys still have learning to do and the "vets" still have gas in the tank. continue to bring the mix along unless we are wowed by a deal at which point you consider moving someone for the betterment of the team.

I don't know what I just said there but it sure sounded good in my brain....

 

[Roadman]

I don't think Moore has been lost in the mix as much as others have jumped to the forefront. It's great to see the young guys playing more minutes and seemingly handling them well at this time. One thing I think Prout has shown us (Aucoin to a degree as well) is that you need balance. I think this is true with what we see of Edmonton in a different fashion. Too much of one type of player does not appear to translate into success. One you have players that can skate like Moore, play smart like Murray, handle board play like Prout, etc. you start to see how pieces fit together. I think we've seen more success when "controlled chaos" was split up (due to injury or not). Spread the style of play 5 v 5 and load up on special teams.

Point is, we need balance within units and within the team. Moore has played well when healthy (especially in the AHL this year) and showed he could handle the NHL last year. Having players like JJ, Wiz, Toots, Aucoin and even Nikitin, to a degree, are pushing the young guys and teaching the young guys. Eventually they will be replaced/moved. When I see what Moore, Erixon, Goloubef, Prout (and hopefully Murray) are doing this really makes me excited. This doesn't factor in the next wave of guys like Reilly, Curcuruto, Madesky and one of our 2013 1st rnd picks (I have to believe we draft at least one D man in the 1st).

I don't trade them at this point. The young guys still have learning to do and the "vets" still have gas in the tank. continue to bring the mix along unless we are wowed by a deal at which point you consider moving someone for the betterment of the team.

I don't know what I just said there but it sure sounded good in my brain....

Don't know what you had in your brain but it came out well.

 

[SuperGenius]

You know who's gotten lost in the mix here? And not just because he's been out with injury, is John Moore. Given by what we've seen from Erixon and Golo and Prout playing decently, I'd wonder if there's any inkling to see if Moore still has decent value via trade.

Never fear a little depth. If we have guys in the A that can play in the NHL, all the better. best compliment you can have is having a few players in the minors who would likely be in the NHL in other organizations.

 

[Nikita Filatov]

I don't think Moore has been lost in the mix as much as others have jumped to the forefront. It's great to see the young guys playing more minutes and seemingly handling them well at this time. One thing I think Prout has shown us (Aucoin to a degree as well) is that you need balance. I think this is true with what we see of Edmonton in a different fashion. Too much of one type of player does not appear to translate into success. One you have players that can skate like Moore, play smart like Murray, handle board play like Prout, etc. you start to see how pieces fit together. I think we've seen more success when "controlled chaos" was split up (due to injury or not). Spread the style of play 5 v 5 and load up on special teams.

Point is, we need balance within units and within the team. Moore has played well when healthy (especially in the AHL this year) and showed he could handle the NHL last year. Having players like JJ, Wiz, Toots, Aucoin and even Nikitin, to a degree, are pushing the young guys and teaching the young guys. Eventually they will be replaced/moved. When I see what Moore, Erixon, Goloubef, Prout (and hopefully Murray) are doing this really makes me excited. This doesn't factor in the next wave of guys like Reilly, Curcuruto, Madesky and one of our 2013 1st rnd picks (I have to believe we draft at least one D man in the 1st).

I don't trade them at this point. The young guys still have learning to do and the "vets" still have gas in the tank. continue to bring the mix along unless we are wowed by a deal at which point you consider moving someone for the betterment of the team.

I don't know what I just said there but it sure sounded good in my brain....

According to http://www.capgeek.com/bluejackets/ we only have Savard to worry about with a contract running out this year as well. I think the most he could get is a deal where year one is two way and year two is one way. I think it's more likely he and Goloubef settle for one year two way contracts though, well hopefully.
There isn't a rush per se but if the deal is right for a good forward of similar or greater value I don't see a problem with trading away one or two of our assets on defense. (Besides Aucoin since he won't garner much)

 

[Xoggz22]

According to http://www.capgeek.com/bluejackets/ we only have Savard to worry about with a contract running out this year as well. I think the most he could get is a deal where year one is two way and year two is one way. I think it's more likely he and Goloubef settle for one year two way contracts though, well hopefully.
There isn't a rush per se but if the deal is right for a good forward of similar or greater value I don't see a problem with trading away one or two of our assets on defense. (Besides Aucoin since he won't garner much)

I haven't included Savard in my posts as I don't see him in this equation. I'm not confident he fits the "mantra" that apparently JK and JD are going for. Maybe if they need someone for the hot dog eating contest. Of all the prospects I've mentioned, Savard has the offensive skill set but his skating, commitment and desire appear to be in question. Maybe I've got him in the "yesterday's news" column too early but he's not someone I see as part of the long term. He's certainly be qualified by the CBJ because he does have value but I think there are 6 or 7 others I would place ahead of him (and that doesn't include the vets)

 

[Top 6 Spaling]

Here's a bizarre one...Steve Mason to Nashville. Not sure what the price would be (possibly something around Jeremy Smith+ so you have some goalie depth), but I assume it wouldn't be much. If anyone can fix Steve Mason, it's our goalie coach Mitch Korn. He could be a very Poile-style reclamation project.

 

[Fro]

Here's a bizarre one...Steve Mason to Columbus. Not sure what the price would be (possibly something around Jeremy Smith+ so you have some goalie depth), but I assume it wouldn't be much. If anyone can fix Steve Mason, it's our goalie coach Mitch Korn. He could be a very Poile-style reclamation project.

i don't know what Columbus would give up to get him

 

[Top 6 Spaling]

i don't know what Columbus would give up to get him

Fixed...my bad

BTW, you could definetly get a better return if you ate 1mil in salary or so.

 

[Sore Loser]

Here's a bizarre one...Steve Mason to Nashville. Not sure what the price would be (possibly something around Jeremy Smith+ so you have some goalie depth), but I assume it wouldn't be much. If anyone can fix Steve Mason, it's our goalie coach Mitch Korn. He could be a very Poile-style reclamation project.

He's a 24 year old former Calder trophy winner. The talent is there, what I question is the fortitude. At this point, I think the team would certainly field offers in this range ... he could be valuable on a good team as a backup or spot starter. A second round pick gets the deal done for me once the season is up.

 

[blahblah]

Here's a bizarre one...Steve Mason to Nashville. Not sure what the price would be (possibly something around Jeremy Smith+ so you have some goalie depth), but I assume it wouldn't be much. If anyone can fix Steve Mason, it's our goalie coach Mitch Korn. He could be a very Poile-style reclamation project.

With us going to the East, I would say you are more than welcome to try.

 

[blahblah]

He's a 24 year old former Calder trophy winner. The talent is there, what I question is the fortitude. At this point, I think the team would certainly field offers in this range ... he could be valuable on a good team as a backup or spot starter. A second round pick gets the deal done for me once the season is up.

Yeah, with the contract almost complete he has a little more value. Not sure about the second, but this type of move is a little harder to nail down on what the market will bare.

 

[Top 6 Spaling]

Not giving up a 2nd for him, but I'd do J. Smith (our AHL starter) + 3rd/4th

 

[blahblah]

Not giving up a 2nd for him, but I'd do J. Smith (our AHL starter) + 3rd/4th

To be honest, none of it is our control so the price is really irrelevant. There isn't even a rumor that he is on the block. If we want to try and estimate what the market is for him, fine. By what we, as fans, are willing to give up has always been a silly conversation.

Meaning, it doesn't really matter what you would give up for him. What the fans were willing to give up for Nash varied greatly, as an example. What some of us were looking at doing is stating what the market, as a whole, would be like for Mason.

So if we want to discuss the market, I'll continue to conversation. If we want to get into a back and forth on what the fans would give up, I'll bow out and ignore the exchange. Reason? I bet a great number of your fans wouldn't even want him and with those that do the offering would greatly vary.

If it gets to the point that there is an actual rumor about Mason to Nashville, I'll entertain more of what the teams might be willing to give up.

 

[Top 6 Spaling]

To be honest, none of it is our control so the price is really irrelevant. There isn't even a rumor that he is on the block. If we want to try and estimate what the market is for him, fine. By what we, as fans, are willing to give up has always been a silly conversation.

Meaning, it doesn't really matter what you would give up for him. What the fans were willing to give up for Nash varied greatly, as an example. What some of us were looking at doing is stating what the market, as a whole, would be like for Mason.

So if we want to discuss the market, I'll continue to conversation. If we want to get into a back and forth on what the fans would give up, I'll bow out and ignore the exchange. Reason? I bet a great number of your fans wouldn't even want him and with those that do the offering would greatly vary.

If it gets to the point that there is an actual rumor about Mason to Nashville, I'll entertain more of what the teams might be willing to give up.

Of course it doesn't really matter, but I'm bored and just enjoy the discussion.

I honestly thing Pekka would be better with a good backup. AKA not Chris Mason.

 

[blahblah]

Of course it doesn't really matter, but I'm bored and just enjoy the discussion.

I honestly thing Pekka would be better with a good backup. AKA not Chris Mason.

Cool, just want to avoid some of the pitfalls that lead to heated discussion(s).

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

I honestly thing Pekka would be better with a good backup.

*generic comment along the lines of why are you discussing Steve Mason then*

 

[pspot]

hey Leafs fans interested in your opinion on a deal I keep suggesting on the Leafs board and wanted to know if it was realistic in your opinions.
Its been discussed a bit on the trade board but its always hard to figure out where peoples biasis lay there.

Grabovski and Gardiner for Johansen and Wisniewski

Do you think its close? if not what would the Leafs have to add?
Including Umberger?
Including Mason for Scrivens...gives you at least some security if the Bob discussions don't go well.


Thanks in advance

good to the Jackets starting to win

 

[EDM]

Probably not since Johansen is our "center of the future" if we do not get one of the top 5 in this draft.

 

[Nordique]

My short list of who I would consider moving at this deadline.

Nikitin
Aucoin
Brassard
Umberger
Mason


I like this team, and I'm confident with a good draft we will be a top 8 team in the East, if not next year, then in 2 years.

In exchange I would look for a decent physical 2 way center, and a backup goalie in the 1.5 mill range.

 

[major major]

hey Leafs fans interested in your opinion on a deal I keep suggesting on the Leafs board and wanted to know if it was realistic in your opinions.
Its been discussed a bit on the trade board but its always hard to figure out where peoples biasis lay there.

Grabovski and Gardiner for Johansen and Wisniewski

Do you think its close? if not what would the Leafs have to add?
Including Umberger?
Including Mason for Scrivens...gives you at least some security if the Bob discussions don't go well.


Thanks in advance

good to the Jackets starting to win

The value might be close, I'm not sure. But it's not a good fit for the Jackets to add another young D when we have a lot of those and Johansen is the only guy in our system with #1 center upside.

 

[pspot]

The value might be close, I'm not sure. But it's not a good fit for the Jackets to add another young D when we have a lot of those and Johansen is the only guy in our system with #1 center upside.

what about change Gardiner to Gunnarson and Johansen to Brassard?

Grabo and Gunnarson for Brassard and Wisniewski?

 

[major major]

what about change Gardiner to Gunnarson and Johansen to Brassard?

Grabo and Gunnarson for Brassard and Wisniewski?

Mighty tempting. I personally wouldn't do it because I love Wiz and his shot is too important to the Jackets. Though I think Grabo is still a really good player, even if he isn't scoring. You might find some takers on this board for this deal, as it would arguably make us much better defensively.

 

[Jackets16]

hey Leafs fans interested in your opinion on a deal I keep suggesting on the Leafs board and wanted to know if it was realistic in your opinions.
Its been discussed a bit on the trade board but its always hard to figure out where peoples biasis lay there.

Grabovski and Gardiner for Johansen and Wisniewski

Do you think its close? if not what would the Leafs have to add?
Including Umberger?
Including Mason for Scrivens...gives you at least some security if the Bob discussions don't go well.


Thanks in advance

good to the Jackets starting to win

IMO, it isn't close. I wouldn't trade Johansen, alone, for those 2. Also, we don't need a D prospect.

 

[InjuredChoker]

Grabo and Gunnarson for Brassard and Wisniewski?

The value is fair but personally wouldn't do it. Maybe it's actually little lopsided for Jackets.

Doesn't Grabo have NTC?

 

[Roadman]

what about change Gardiner to Gunnarson and Johansen to Brassard?

Grabo and Gunnarson for Brassard and Wisniewski?

As challenged as we are at scoring I don't see moving Wiz and his RH point shot as well as what he brings to the attitude of the squad.

Pass