2013 NHL Draft Thread III (6/30, 3PM EDT)

[Xoggz22]

I agree. Of course we would like to have the best picks possible, but I really like a lot of the players who will go between 24-50 or so. The more I read about players in the draft, the more players I like .

That's why we are amateurs.... I read a profile and if it's positive find them a fit for the CBJ. Ok, maybe not that bad but I'm with you on liking players beyond the (my) top 20.

 

[db2011]

If the Kings and Rangers win their series and those picks become late first rounders, how much does that change the approach? Would anyone prefer then to package the 3 for a move up? Or hold onto 14 and try to package the Kings and Rangers for a move up, so to have 14 and one other pick higher up?

Depends on who's left, I understand, and if other teams would be willing. The behind-the-scenes of the Blues' draft when Jarmo had 3 first rounders, a couple of them were pretty late as I recall and he seemed more in move up for quality mode instead of move back for quantity.

(I know we've been through many scenarios, but those conversations seemed based on mid-round selections for LAK and NYR picks, not later)

 

[EspenK]

If the Kings and Rangers win their series and those picks become late first rounders, how much does that change the approach? Would anyone prefer then to package the 3 for a move up? Or hold onto 14 and try to package the Kings and Rangers for a move up, so to have 14 and one other pick higher up?

Depends on who's left, I understand, and if other teams would be willing. The behind-the-scenes of the Blues' draft when Jarmo had 3 first rounders, a couple of them were pretty late as I recall and he seemed more in move up for quality mode instead of move back for quantity.

(I know we've been through many scenarios, but those conversations seemed based on mid-round selections for LAK and NYR picks, not later)

While the package becomes less attractive to the other guy,put me down as more in favor of trading them if they can get us a pick for a guy we really want. Not saying top 5 or 10 just a guy we really want. Say 27&30 for a chance to draft Horvat at say 17. Something like that.

 

[Jackets16]

That's why we are amateurs.... I read a profile and if it's positive find them a fit for the CBJ. Ok, maybe not that bad but I'm with you on liking players beyond the (my) top 20.

No doubt, but I usually don't read so many good things about this many players. I really think there is a pretty big group of players who could go in the late first round. More than usual.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

I really think there is a pretty big group of players who could go in the late first round. More than usual.

I think it will be the same amount as usual.

 

[pete goegan]

I think it will be the same amount as usual.

Hmm, let me think about that...

Damn!

 

[major major]

While the package becomes less attractive to the other guy,put me down as more in favor of trading them if they can get us a pick for a guy we really want. Not saying top 5 or 10 just a guy we really want. Say 27&30 for a chance to draft Horvat at say 17. Something like that.

I'd be thrilled if we could get Domi and Horvat, even if we have to move two picks to get Horvat.

It's too bad that Zadorov is so overrated, because we could have put together a trio of London Knights.

 

[Sore Loser]

I'd be thrilled if we could get Domi and Horvat, even if we have to move two picks to get Horvat.

It's too bad that Zadorov is so overrated, because we could have put together a trio of London Knights.

Always hated this methodology. Just because they play together in junior and have had success, does not mean that drafting all three would make any difference in their development as professionals - nor that they would have success in the NHL. Personally, I'm not terribly high on Zadorov ... though I know people who are. As it stands, even if he did "fall" to us at #14, I don't like the idea of drafting him. Domi and Horvat are different, but I would rather see us take one or the other, followed by a player with some size with the next pick. Also, we could get a guy like Ryan Hartman with our third first round pick - who may be better than both in the long run. I'm not big on moving two picks to move up 5-6 spots and get one player, personally.

Here's something I found interesting:

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/draft_bests.php?page=1

A real history of the best players drafted at every position in NHL history. Ever. This guy puts a ton of research into his work, and is a darn nice guy to boot - very easy to get in touch with, and very helpful. As a fellow internet hobbyist and hockey fan, I have tremendous respect for this sort of thing.

For example, the best players picked at #14 include:

Brad May, Rick Middleton, Brian Propp, Sergei Gonchar, and Ken Middleton

 

[stevo61]

Always hated this methodology. Just because they play together in junior and have had success, does not mean that drafting all three would make any difference in their development as professionals - nor that they would have success in the NHL. Personally, I'm not terribly high on Zadorov ... though I know people who are. As it stands, even if he did "fall" to us at #14, I don't like the idea of drafting him. Domi and Horvat are different, but I would rather see us take one or the other, followed by a player with some size with the next pick. Also, we could get a guy like Ryan Hartman with our third first round pick - who may be better than both in the long run. I'm not big on moving two picks to move up 5-6 spots and get one player, personally.

Here's something I found interesting:

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/draft_bests.php?page=1

A real history of the best players drafted at every position in NHL history. Ever. This guy puts a ton of research into his work, and is a darn nice guy to boot - very easy to get in touch with, and very helpful. As a fellow internet hobbyist and hockey fan, I have tremendous respect for this sort of thing.

For example, the best players picked at #14 include:

Brad May, Rick Middleton, Brian Propp, Sergei Gonchar, and Ken Middleton

#15 has a nice history. Lets trade down

 

[Jackets16]

If the Kings and Rangers win their series and those picks become late first rounders, how much does that change the approach? Would anyone prefer then to package the 3 for a move up? Or hold onto 14 and try to package the Kings and Rangers for a move up, so to have 14 and one other pick higher up?

Depends on who's left, I understand, and if other teams would be willing. The behind-the-scenes of the Blues' draft when Jarmo had 3 first rounders, a couple of them were pretty late as I recall and he seemed more in move up for quality mode instead of move back for quantity.

(I know we've been through many scenarios, but those conversations seemed based on mid-round selections for LAK and NYR picks, not later)

I still don't think we should move up. I would be okay with it if we did, but I think there are enough good players in this draft to just stay where are 3 picks end up.

 

[major major]

Always hated this methodology. Just because they play together in junior and have had success, does not mean that drafting all three would make any difference in their development as professionals - nor that they would have success in the NHL. Personally, I'm not terribly high on Zadorov ... though I know people who are. As it stands, even if he did "fall" to us at #14, I don't like the idea of drafting him. Domi and Horvat are different, but I would rather see us take one or the other, followed by a player with some size with the next pick. Also, we could get a guy like Ryan Hartman with our third first round pick - who may be better than both in the long run. I'm not big on moving two picks to move up 5-6 spots and get one player, personally.

I wasn't being serious about drafting all from the Knights, and I also don't want Zadorov. I agree that there isn't much sense in expecting junior aged teammates to somehow be best off together in the NHL, and it's been hilarious seeing how many mock drafts have us taking Mueller because of his old d-mate Murray. I just happen to like Domi and Horvat a lot. Regardless of where they came from they'd both make great Blue Jackets.

I'm less and less interested in looking for size rather than physicality, and I'm curious why you're prioritizing it. I could be wrong but I think of guys like Horvat and Hartman as being more physical than Gauthier, or did you have someone else in mind?

And on second thought, you're right it probably wouldn't make much sense to send two late round firsts for a mid round first; if you come away with Hartman and Hagg it would probably be better than just Horvat.

 

[major major]

Here's the top 11 scorers in Desjardin's equivalencies. (A projection of what players would have scored in the NHL, based on previous players making the transition from their particular junior leagues to the NHL).

Jonathan Drouin, Halifax (QMJHL) 19-30-49
Sasha Barkov, Tappere Tampere (SM-Liiga) 18-22-40
Elias Lindholm, Brynas (SEL) 15-25-40
Nathan MacKinnon, Halifax (QMJHL) 17-22-39
Max Domi, London (OHL) 15-18-33
Hunter Shinkaruk, Medicine Hat (WHL) 14-19-33
Sean Monahan, Ottawa (OHL) 13-20-33
Anthony Mantha, Val d’or (QMJHL) 17-13-30
Valeri Nichushkin, Chelyabinsk Traktor (KHL) 20-10-30
Adam Erne, Quebec (QMJHL) 9-15-24
Curtis Lazar, Edmonton (WHL) 13-8-21

I find it interesting that Drouin is so much further ahead of everyone else, despite the fact that scoring in the Q is the most heavily discounted of all the leagues. That and Domi could be a huge steal if he's available at 14.

 

[georgiabluejacket]

Agreed

First, not entirely sure either Monahan or Lindholm would be available at 7


Second after the top tier, there really doesn't seem to be a significant difference among the next dozen or so prospects. Before I get jumped, note I said significant. I am sure to those that have favorites and to those scouts whose job it is to ascertain those differences there are, but in looking at scouting reports and mocks and projections, after those top 7/8 it goes all over the place.

This would indicate, at least to me, that in the area the CBJ are drafting it's going to be a matter of preference. Probably coming down to perceived fit for an organization, be it character, position, or skill set.

Given that, unless the F/O has an individual that they just have to have, I suspect they won't be expending assets to move. There are too many quality players to think that a number of them won't be available in the draft positions they presently occupy.

No, I wouldn't. I am not giving up a good, young defender to move up 7 spots.

Erixon has too much potential for that.

While I think one of Lindholm/Monhan will definately be available at #7, I can go along with your thinking. I REALLY like Monahan and the more I read about him the more I want him on this team. I just haven't been impressed with Erixon from what I saw. I know he's still "in development" but he just seemed to float around a lot for my my taste

 

[georgiabluejacket]

I wasn't being serious about drafting all from the Knights, and I also don't want Zadorov. I agree that there isn't much sense in expecting junior aged teammates to somehow be best off together in the NHL, and it's been hilarious seeing how many mock drafts have us taking Mueller because of his old d-mate Murray. I just happen to like Domi and Horvat a lot. Regardless of where they came from they'd both make great Blue Jackets.

It's like you're inside my head

 

[georgiabluejacket]

That and Domi could be a huge steal if he's available at 14.

I think the draft(or mocks I guess) are gonna look different after the Memorial Cup. Someone is gonna go on a hot streak and go from a mid-first to top 10, while someone that's considered a top 10 will fall. Throw in the "who the crap did they just take" pick & hopefully he'll be there at 14 & Horvat at 19-ish, then whoever at the 23rd-ish pick.

What all of us seem to be mildly overlooking is the 45 pick. With this being a deep draft we can definately get another kick ass player there too. I don't think I've ever been this excited to watch a parade across a stage before

 

[EspenK]

I think the draft(or mocks I guess) are gonna look different after the Memorial Cup. Someone is gonna go on a hot streak and go from a mid-first to top 10, while someone that's considered a top 10 will fall. Throw in the "who the crap did they just take" pick & hopefully he'll be there at 14 & Horvat at 19-ish, then whoever at the 23rd-ish pick.

What all of us seem to be mildly overlooking is the 45 pick. With this being a deep draft we can definately get another kick ass player there too. I don't think I've ever been this excited to watch a parade across a stage before

Not even that night at the strip club?

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Not even that night at the strip club?

Ain' nuthin' wrong wif goin' tuh da scrip club.

 

[alphafox]

I still don't think we should move up. I would be okay with it if we did, but I think there are enough good players in this draft to just stay where are 3 picks end up.

I think this is the issue between those who want to trade up and those who don't "good players". IMO we have alot of good players. Dubi, AA, Calvert, Atkinson are all good players. What we lack are great players other than Bob do es anyone on the team even have a sniff at a trophy this year? The goal is to win cups and to do that you need great players, which we don't have. Johansen has a shot at be coming one of those players and maybe Murray as well, but they both are longshots too become selke and norris guys. Grabbing another guy or two out of this draft picks with that potential is more important for this team than getting a few bottom nine guys . getting a few nhl with

 

[Skraut]

I think this is the issue between those who want to trade up and those who don't "good players". IMO we have alot of good players. Dubi, AA, Calvert, Atkinson are all good players. What we lack are great players other than Bob do es anyone on the team even have a sniff at a trophy this year? The goal is to win cups and to do that you need great players, which we don't have. Johansen has a shot at be coming one of those players and maybe Murray as well, but they both are longshots too become selke and norris guys. Grabbing another guy or two out of this draft picks with that potential is more important for this team than getting a few bottom nine guys . getting a few nhl with

Moving up in the draft doesn't guarantee you "great"

Last time the draft was considered this deep was 2004. Columbus picked 4th. The following All Star players all went after Columbus's pick this season.

17 Zach Parise
19 Ryan Getzlaf
23 Ryan Kesler
24 Mike Richards
28 Corey Perry
33 Loui Eriksson
45 Patrice Bergeron
49 Shea Weber
62 David Backes
64 Jimmy Howard
239. Tobias Enstrom
245. Dustin Byfuglien
291 Brian Elliott

or you could trade up to #4 and have:

4 Nikolai Zherdev


The draft is a crap shoot. Trading all your bullets away for an earlier shot doesn't guarantee you'll miss the crap, just as having more shots doesn't guarantee you'll miss the crap either. But especially in a deep draft, it doesn't hurt to have a few more opportunities.

 

[NotWendell]

Ain' nuthin' wrong wif goin' tuh da scrip club.

Anson Carter channeling Theo Fluery

 

[JacketsFanWest]

That and Domi could be a huge steal if he's available at 14.

I think there's a good chance Domi is, since his size and the fact he's diabetic might scare off some teams.

Jarmo does have a connection with the London Knights since his longtime friend Basil McRae is the co-owner of the Knights. McRae was hired as a part-time OHL scout for the Jackets a few months ago.

 

[Xoggz22]

Well, I decided to join one of the board Mocks... 11 of the first 13 picks were forwards (Jones & Nurse only two D). I took Rasmus Ristolainen with pick #14 and Fredrick Gauthier with pick #19. I skipped Mantha at 14 thinking the D-run would start and actually thought there was higher value in Risto at #14 (Can always trade an asset for a need in my opinion). Promptly, Mantha, Lazar,Zadorov and Pulock went. Wennberg and Zykov went 12,13 respectively. Not exactly how I would have liked to pick but I really like both players. I did think Risto would be gone before #14 and that Zykov would be available - possibly even at 19. Guys like Morrisey and Hagg are still there at 20. Thought both could go higher.

Weird draft. Granted it's fans picking, not GM's.... They have CBJ slotted at 27 with the Kings pick (I'm assuming they have Kings losing to Chicago in conference final). Any suggestions?

Oh yeah, Edmonton GM took Horvat at #7....

 

[Nordique]

Moving up in the draft doesn't guarantee you "great"

Last time the draft was considered this deep was 2004. Columbus picked 4th. The following All Star players all went after Columbus's pick this season.

17 Zach Parise
19 Ryan Getzlaf
23 Ryan Kesler
24 Mike Richards
28 Corey Perry
33 Loui Eriksson
45 Patrice Bergeron
49 Shea Weber
62 David Backes
64 Jimmy Howard
239. Tobias Enstrom
245. Dustin Byfuglien
291 Brian Elliott

or you could trade up to #4 and have:

4 Nikolai Zherdev


The draft is a crap shoot. Trading all your bullets away for an earlier shot doesn't guarantee you'll miss the crap, just as having more shots doesn't guarantee you'll miss the crap either. But especially in a deep draft, it doesn't hurt to have a few more opportunities.

Best post I've seen on this draft.



I want 3 1st round shots at that list of all stars.

 

[HoldFast13]

I wonder if we could possibly move some someone for another 2nd round pick.....

 

[Jackets16]

I think this is the issue between those who want to trade up and those who don't "good players". IMO we have alot of good players. Dubi, AA, Calvert, Atkinson are all good players. What we lack are great players other than Bob do es anyone on the team even have a sniff at a trophy this year? The goal is to win cups and to do that you need great players, which we don't have. Johansen has a shot at be coming one of those players and maybe Murray as well, but they both are longshots too become selke and norris guys. Grabbing another guy or two out of this draft picks with that potential is more important for this team than getting a few bottom nine guys . getting a few nhl with

We aren't talking about trading up to number 4 though. We are talking about trading to around 8. I just don't think the players who will be available there are much better than the players we can get at our picks.