Its 105 minutes. The PA wants these restrictions. Its in the CBA. Its the same thing in the NFL. Their new CBA changed how teams prepare in training camp.
Pre-Game Talk: 2013-2014 Training Camp/Preseason Discussion Thread Part 2
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Its 105 minutes. The PA wants these restrictions. Its in the CBA. Its the same thing in the NFL. Their new CBA changed how teams prepare in training camp.
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Starts of preseason games in the NHL. Teams are required to dress at least 8 veterans. Ex: 100 games + in nhl or first round pick in 2013.
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Starts of preseason games in the NHL. Teams are required to dress at least 8 veterans. Ex: 100 games + in nhl or first round pick in 2013.
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I don't entirely disagree but also keep in mind that the NHL is an 82 games schedule, almost 30 more games than the SEL. It's a long grind and by the end of it, players are exhausted and almost all are injured. Much of those 2-3 months off are spent recovering and just getting back into game shape.
e: not to mention the playoffs that drag on and add even more games
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I'm a hockey player, not a statistician, but what i know for a fact is that when you have a blueliner for each pairing that gets advanced, you want to have a very defensively aware pivot ready to accommodate for them should they lose the puck or go after it on a dump from the blue line in.
Stepan, Anisimov, Boyle, Moore were guys I'd trust with that assignment. Richards and Brassard I absolutely do not. Team has to be aware.
Stepan, Anisimov, Boyle, Moore were guys I'd trust with that assignment. Richards and Brassard I absolutely do not. Team has to be aware.
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Oh I'm not saying always go for the carry/pass, there still needs to be situational awareness involved. Trying an ambitious entry attempt with no defensive coverage behind is probably not a good idea in any situation.
But there is a definite bias towards avoiding mistakes (a natural human tendency) which leads to suboptimal decisions and tactics. I.E. the benefits of the successes outweigh the disadvantages of the failures.
As was proven in the linked paper, a turnover at the offensive blueline is no more dangerous than a failed dump-and-chase.
And a defenceman skating the puck up the ice is definitely an example of a controlled exit that is likely to lead to a controlled entry, so something that should be encouraged.
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Another thing that concerns me is this talk about an emphasis on additional defenseman pinching. I don't think you can coach that the way Joe described it.
Pinching is crucial to sustained, meaningful offensive zone pressure. But it's one of the toughest things to do as a blueliner because it's a split-second decision, and you need to fully commit, or fully back off. You hesitate, and get stuck in-between, and with the speed of forwards in this league it's going to be an odd-man rush the other direction.
I don't want the defenseman having to think about whether or not the coach wants me to pinch in this situation, whilst trying to make that judgement call. That can facilitate hesitancy whilst they reconsider their gut instinct, and second-guess themselves. I understand that when you're behind in the third period, you have to tell the players to pinch. But you don't want to over coach.
Some of our blueliners are good at pinching in. Del Zotto and Girardi. Some of our defensemen, specifically Staal, are very poor at pinching. We should let them figure out what works best.
Pinching is crucial to sustained, meaningful offensive zone pressure. But it's one of the toughest things to do as a blueliner because it's a split-second decision, and you need to fully commit, or fully back off. You hesitate, and get stuck in-between, and with the speed of forwards in this league it's going to be an odd-man rush the other direction.
I don't want the defenseman having to think about whether or not the coach wants me to pinch in this situation, whilst trying to make that judgement call. That can facilitate hesitancy whilst they reconsider their gut instinct, and second-guess themselves. I understand that when you're behind in the third period, you have to tell the players to pinch. But you don't want to over coach.
Some of our blueliners are good at pinching in. Del Zotto and Girardi. Some of our defensemen, specifically Staal, are very poor at pinching. We should let them figure out what works best.
True, but in some cases the games stack up for SEL players too. Lindberg for instance was very busy last season. I dont think he missed a single game neither in his club or the national team. 55 regular + 13 playoff games plus 25 games with Team Sweden. Total 93 games. Probably helped his development. Fast had some injury but still stacked up 61 games.
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The big issue I have is that not only is it impossible to properly implement a new system efficiently, it also creates a small sample size to create a team and put together lines.
Zuccarello got shafted in 2011-12 where he only got ~5-6 games (pre- and reg. season) before he got sent down. And after taking a stupid penalty in game 1 he hardly got any ice-time at all.
5-6 games with limited ice time is definitely not a big enough sample to evaluate a players game. Zuccarello had just come off a season where he was by far the best possession player on the Rangers, but struggled for three games with limited ice time. He was then sent down and not called back up until March. Despite the deficit of his initial three games, where he posted a negative Corsi in each one, he managed in only six more games (got injured after 2 minutes in the 7th) put his possession numbers solidly back into the black.
Due to his injury, everyone forgot about those six games of good play come the summer and the Rangers made no big effort to sign him. He subsequently went to the KHL and didn't rejoin the team until late in the season. Back into the lineup he once again put up the best possession numbers on the team.
My point with all of this is that with a longer and more extensive camp, Zuccarello would likely have stuck in 11-12 and we would have had a valuable player in the lineup throughout the 11-12 and 12-13 seasons. We could have identified that Christensen wasn't the center for Gaborik in 10-11. McDonagh and Hagelin might have gotten to start their rookie seasons with the big club. Sauer may have gotten a real place in the lineup immediately instead of being thrown in and out for the first ~10 games.
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Anybody find it weird st croix is the only guy not to get any preseason game time? Expect him to be cut from tc roster after philly game anyway, but still.
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Josh Nicholls as well.
Dyson Stevenson?
Taylor Burke?
Tommy Hughes?
Peter Trainor?
I think that's it
As many have pointed out I think it is in our best interest to allow the players a proper summer to heal their bodies and rest their injuries, recharge mentally, work on their off-ice conditioning to put on more muscle and also spend some time in vacation and/or at home.
These players take a huge amount of punishment, play a huge amount of games and go through an insane amount of travel and having a few months off is necessary imo.
How does O'Donnell make the lineup who has 0 future in the NHL while St.Croix has a future if he puts it together. Is this O'Donnell a favor that Sather is doing for someone???
Top 50 NHL D
#10-Mac Truck
Ahead of the guy who signed the big contract at #11
#14-Dan Girardi
#38-Michael Del Zotto
http://espn.go.com/nhl/notebook/_/page/2013_nhlrank_defensemen/defensemen
#10-Mac Truck
Ahead of the guy who signed the big contract at #11
#14-Dan Girardi
#38-Michael Del Zotto
http://espn.go.com/nhl/notebook/_/page/2013_nhlrank_defensemen/defensemen
Blue Blooded
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As much as I like McDonagh, Girardi at #14 and Staal not being included at all make it hard for me to take the list seriously.
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Change is good.
Blue Blooded
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Still doesn't explain Girardi at #14, he is nowhere near the 14th best defenceman in the league.
Those were just the most egregious mistakes related to the Rangers. There are a ton of other problems with the list.
You are just egregiously wrong.
Girardi has been recognized as a top Dman in the league by his all star selection, his Norris rankings. This is not something new.
These are his numbers the last 3 years
12-13
GP: 46
TOI: 8th
Hits: 20th
Blocks: 1st
Points: 14
+/-: -1
11-12
GP: 82
TOI: 6th
Hits: 8th
Blocks: 5th
Points: 29
+/-: +13
10-11
GP: 80
TOI: 16th
Hits: 10th
Blocks: 1st
Points: 31
+/-: +7
He is workhorse, who has missed 4 games in his entire career. He's a warrior, plays hurt ... Broken noses. Stiches. Big injuries that would sideline many other hockey players. He consistently plays against the opposition best players and shuts them down. He brings it every night.
29 years old. A very likeable teammate. Someone who doesn't carry any baggage either. Great locker room guy and one of our Alternates.
Girardi is underrated on these boards because he doesn't have the sexy offensive game, it still doesn't take away from his outstanding shutdown D.
Anybody can have a different opinion of Girardi, but the numbers don't lie. They point to Girardi as a top shutdown Dmen in the league.
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list is atrocious. Seabrook at 12 is a joke, Staal not even being on it is worse. Letang is way too high for a guy with barely any defensive skill. Pietrangelo should be higher. But whatever it's ESPN.
Edit; Why is Jake Muzzin even ON this list? Played only 18 minutes A/TOI and almost never took a PK shift. I don't get it.
You'd be hard pressed to find another defenseman who has lived as charmed a life as Girardi, who has been lucky enough to play with Staal and McDonagh for the majority of his career.
Take him away from those 2, and his game ultimately slips.
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Okay I don't think Girardi is better than Staal or McD and he might be ranked a taaad too high on that list, but you're giving him very little credit. He's a fantastic positional player who makes players miserable. If his skating were better he would be in the top 10, imo. Which I believe is the only real knock on his game. And lack of offense I guess but he's not that type of player.
Girardi's biggest problem is that he doesn't move the puck effectively in the defensive zone.
That said, under Torts' system no one really moved the puck effectively in the defensive zone.
That said, under Torts' system no one really moved the puck effectively in the defensive zone.
Its not that Im giving him little credit. I think hes a very good player. I am just not putting him in the elite category. He is an ideal complimentary piece to an elite partner -- thats obviously wonderful to have.
But if the Rangers ever found themselves in a situation where Girardi would have to be the #1 guy, it wouldnt be so wonderful.
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