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Prospect Info: 2013-2014 Rangers Prospects Thread (Player Stats in Post #1; Updated 12/17)

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and hes still a ridiculously small player that would probably be the smallest NHLer in the league if he even makes it.
 
I can understand being concerned about Tolchinsky and his size, but what I don't understand is why the Rangers passed on him with their history of signing other smallish forwards like JAM, Tessier, Locke, etc. His contract would slide. Perhaps they didn't take Carolina seriously as an option for him?
 
Trxjw said:
I can understand being concerned about Tolchinsky and his size, but what I don't understand is why the Rangers passed on him with their history of signing other smallish forwards like JAM, Tessier, Locke, etc. His contract would slide. Perhaps they didn't take Carolina seriously as an option for him?
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Different players, different situations. It's obvious that the Rangers see something in him or else they wouldnt have invited him to Traverse City. I don't remember the timing of the other signings you mentioned but we were right up against the contract limit when Tolchinsky was an option for us. The Rangers weren't ready to commit prior to TC, I guess. Could he beat the odds and become an NHLer? Sure. We should remember though that 30 teams combined to pass on him a total of 211 times. And, also important to note, 211 times even not having to guarantee him a contract.



Thought this interview with MacKenzie Skapski was interesting. Speaks about Benoit Allaire and a few other things.

http://www.nyrangersblog.com/2013-a...i-has-high-expectations-for-himself-team.html
 
Oh Thats Nashty said:
Prospects like Tolchinsky are a dime a dozen. Sure he's talented, but he is undersized and Russian. I think he'll get physically dominated in the NHL and will be on a plane back to Russia the first chance he gets.
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Why should his nationality play a role in how you evaluate the player? The fact that he's already in North America and has signed an ELC is also probably also a strong indication of his intentions.

By then, a scout from the New York Rangers met up with Tolchinsky’s agents, Mark Gandler and Todd Diamond, and before the end of the draft, the two parties had an agreement that Tolchinsky would attend the team’s prospect orientation camp that week. On the bus back to the hotel, Tolchinsky received another invite to attend an orientation camp, this time from the Carolina Hurricanes in mid-July. Two months later, the Hurricanes committed. They pretty much had to. The Internet buzzed about Tolchinsky’s performance at the ‘Canes camp and local beat reporters raved.
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http://blogs.thescore.com/nhl/2013/08/23/risk-reward-and-sergey-tolchinsky/

Tolchinsky had agreed to play for the Rangers in Traverse City but the Hurric¯ ÿanes upped the ante and decided that their limited viewings of him was worth of a three-year entry level contract and a spot on their reserve list.

In my opinion, it's too bad that he signed somewhere else because talent is talent. I give the Rangers credit for the process here, even if they didn't end up getting the result.
 
TheRightWay said:
Different players, different situations. It's obvious that the Rangers see something in him or else they wouldnt have invited him to Traverse City. I don't remember the timing of the other signings you mentioned but we were right up against the contract limit when Tolchinsky was an option for us. The Rangers weren't ready to commit prior to TC, I guess. Could he beat the odds and become an NHLer? Sure. We should remember though that 30 teams combined to pass on him a total of 211 times. And, also important to note, 211 times even not having to guarantee him a contract.



Thought this interview with MacKenzie Skapski was interesting. Speaks about Benoit Allaire and a few other things.

http://www.nyrangersblog.com/2013-a...i-has-high-expectations-for-himself-team.html
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His contract would slide until he was ready to turn pro. The SPC limit wouldn't have been an issue. Plenty of teams passed on him, sure, but if we lived by what other teams did, guys like Stralman, Girardi, Allen, Hrivik, etc, wouldn't be in the system or on the roster.
 
I'll wait until the guy does anything at the professional level before I start with the regret. And who's to say he would have signed here had we made him an offer? Who's to say we didn't make him one anyway?

People were up in arms that we didn't get JAM, regardless of the fact that he chose to sign elsewhere despite an offer from us. What did he do last season? Fail to crack a Columbus team that was somehow more inept offensively than us. Now he still has a chance to become a player, but the point is that you can't just assume these guys will pan out because they look good in juniors (or even the AHL for that matter).

Look, I'd rather take a flier on a guy like Tolchinsky instead of Troy Donnay or Michael Kantor. But we didn't, and as of right now, there's no ****ing reason to care about it.
 
Colby said:
Why should his nationality play a role in how you evaluate the player? The fact that he's already in North America and has signed an ELC is also probably also a strong indication of his intentions.
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Really??? You must be new here...
 
Nieves is a talent who had a harsh adjustment period. He spent his high school career at a prep school out east, not the USHL, and he was clearly shellshocked by the rise in competition level for the first half of the season. His shot totals are still alarmingly low for a guy expected to be a top scorer: 63 attempts is barely better than Zach Hyman last year. In year two Michigan wants him to be more of a physical threat; his speed and deft passing are tantalizing aspects to pair with Guptill, who is a quality finisher just waiting for opportunities. Like Di Giuseppe, he's a major swing player.
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http://mgoblog.com/content/hockey-preview-2013-forwards
 
Calle Andersson had an assist tonight for 3 pts in 3 games this season.

He was on the ice for both PP goals scored by his team, seems like he is getting alot of PP time. I know its been debated, but seems like he made a good decision from my point of view to go to Malmö. He is getting top ice time, 1st PP unit duty etc, at a pretty high level. Definitely high above the junior and College leagues in NA, and maybe a bit below the AHL. Not bad for a kid the same age as Skjei, who missed the entire off-season due to an injury.
 
Ola said:
Calle Andersson had an assist tonight for 3 pts in 3 games this season.

He was on the ice for both PP goals scored by his team, seems like he is getting alot of PP time. I know its been debated, but seems like he made a good decision from my point of view to go to Malmö. He is getting top ice time, 1st PP unit duty etc, at a pretty high level. Definitely high above the junior and College leagues in NA, and maybe a bit below the AHL. Not bad for a kid the same age as Skjei, who missed the entire off-season due to an injury.
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pardon my ignorance but Calle is playing in what league? I assume it isn't the SHL.
 
ecemleafs said:
the second tier. allsvenskan. its kind of like soccer though with promotions and relegations so its not a true 2nd tier like the AHL would be in north america.
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so, does it go Malmo Jr -> Allsvenskan -> SHL?
 
Yeah, it's:

SHL/HockeyAllsvenska/Div1/Div2/Div3

U20/U18/U16 with floating divisions (ie there are divisions withing U20 for example, not 100% on how exactly those are structured, you might have 2 tiers to start with aqnd 3 after christmas, was like that when I was playing anyway).

Applogies for being a bit unclear.
 
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All three of our third round picks will be interesting to follow this season. Even if Buchnevich doesn't light up the KHL as an 18 year old, if he can stay up it should help his overall game.

Duclair seems to be off to a hot start statistically in juniors. Meanwhile I'll be monitoring Tambellini at UND as much as is possible from the east coast.
 
Fitzy said:
All three of our third round picks will be interesting to follow this season. Even if Buchnevich doesn't light up the KHL as an 18 year old, if he can stay up it should help his overall game.

Duclair seems to be off to a hot start statistically in juniors. Meanwhile I'll be monitoring Tambellini at UND as much as is possible from the east coast.
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I just hope Tambellini does not turn out to be like his brother (former Islanders 1st round pick), play a few years in the NHL and then vanish overseason....i hope this kid has the willingness to stay in north american hockey even if AHL or ECHL level if he makes it their.
 
Punxrocknyc19 said:
I just hope Tambellini does not turn out to be like his brother (former Islanders 1st round pick), play a few years in the NHL and then vanish overseason....i hope this kid has the willingness to stay in north american hockey even if AHL or ECHL level if he makes it their.
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Jeff Tambellini was splitting time between the NHL and AHL a full eight years after he was drafted. Tough to fault him for heading overseas. Probably gets a better paycheck, and ****, he gets to live in Sweden.
 
nyr2k2 said:
Jeff Tambellini was splitting time between the NHL and AHL a full eight years after he was drafted. Tough to fault him for heading overseas. Probably gets a better paycheck, and ****, he gets to live in Sweden.
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i hope this does not happen to Chris Kreider although i wont be shocked if it does... you can have all the skill in the world but if you dont understand the game of hockey and is not a smart player then you will most likely fail.
 
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