I always like to look back a few years at some of the guys we drafted and either walked away from or traded. Here's where guys from some recent draft classes have ended up:
2011
Shane McColgan: 10 games in the WHL this year, then down to the BCHL
Peter Ceresnak: Spent all year in Slovakia's top league, played well, made the World Championship roster
2010
Christian Thomas: Played 2 games for MTL, spent the rest of the year in the AHL (27 points in 55 games)
Randy McNaught: Retired after the 2011-2012 season (he had the ankle injury)
2009
Ethan Werek: Played for Phoenix's AHL team, just 12 points in 48 games
Roman Horak: Traded from CGY to EDM, 48 points in 53 games for OKC in AHL, looks like he just signed in the KHL
Daniel Maggio: 48 games with Colorado's AHL affiliate
Mikhail Pashnin: Spent all season with Yaroslavl in the KHL--I think we still retain his rights
2008
Evgeny Grachev: Spent the year in the KHL with Admiral (17 points in 50 games), signed on with Lokomotiv for next season
Tomas Kundratek: Tore his ACL and played only 7 games in the AHL for WSH affiliate
Dale Weise: 61 games split between VAN and MTL
Chris Doyle: Played 2 games for a SPHL team
Mitch Gaulton: Retired from professional hockey after 2011-2012 season
2007
Antoine Lafleur: Retired from professional hockey after 2008-2009 season
Max Campbell: Playing in second division German league
David Skokan: Good player for Slavia Praha in Czech league, also on Slovakia's WC team and international roster
Danny Hobbs: Split time between Binghamton/AHL and Elmira/ECHL
I like to do this to remind myself of the long odds our prospects face, and also to illustrate that the guys we give up on--either through not giving them contracts or through trading their rights--almost never amount to anything at the NHL level. In that five year period, the "best" player we've let go was Dale Weise. So remember not to freak out when we decide to let someone walk.![]()
I thought he was a left wing. Did he play center this season?
What do you guys think about Duclair? The kid looks promising even though he suffered that concussion at the end of the year. Speedy and one hell of a shot. He was probably discussed already but I haven't had the time to catch up.
I hope he makes the team within the next few years. LW depth is low and he would help a bunch from what I've heard.![]()
I would want to see him play the first game in LA to see if we can really use our speed to knock them off. They will be tired and speed can play on that.
Speed is our one advantage. If we win, that will be what delivers the victory.
I would try Fast again, but this time tell him to do what Kreider did two years ago in the playoffs: stretch out the defense with your speed. Fast is not as fast as Kreider, nor is his shot as good, so it won't be as effective, but if you consistently line him up against their 4th line, he can cause them trouble.
I would do the opposite of what they do with Jihn Moore, who starts 85% of the time in the offensive zone. I would start him behind our own blue line against their defense-first guys. He plays defense well enough to take care of himself when we lose faceoffs, and when we win faceoffs, he should just go charging up the right wing at his top speed to try to create a fastbreak.
In the offensive zone, he can cycle and get the Kings to spend their energy chasing him.
Having each line with one or two of Kreider, Hagelin, MSL, MZA, Fast would wear out the Kings to help us take game 1, and leave them tired for later in the series.
But we all know Dorsett will play instead.
you act as if Dorsett is a slow skater? he's not.
Yeah, I don't get the love for him. His only asset is offense and his offense isn't that great. To me Skjei is our clear top prospect and after that it all comes down to preference.
Miller, Fast, and Lindberg are the closest to being ready, but have 2nd-3rd tweener ceilings (which is nothing to sneeze it). Duclair and Buchnevich have probably the most upside of any of our forward prospects, but they're both more boom or bust-type guys than the AHL group. I'd rate Nieves a notch lower because of his poor season, but he's another boom or bust. The speed, size, and skill are all there if he ever gets "it" and we could definitely use a fast top-six center.
I'm not sure what to think of the rest of the system. McIlrath keeps making strides, but he's still not close to a finished product. I like Graves and he's probably a ways away, but he could be solid. The newly added college free agents intrigue me, especially Haggerty, but nobody's seen enough to know what we have in them. Tambellini, Andersson, Noreau, and St. Croix are total lottery tickets.
The system's not great right now thanks to all of the traded picks, but I do think we have some good pieces. Clark and Gorton continue to dig up interesting guys in the later rounds.
Any specifics?
Certainly not what Rust/Ken sees. His rankings for Kristo and Fast both stick out like sore thumbs (in opposite directions) on that list.
I see a lot in Kristo.
I really like Fast. In fact, before the post season, I thought it was incapable of Hagelin to be able to fit in this offensive system because of his seeming inability to be able to shoot, handle the puck, or have vision on the ice that would create opportunities with real potency. For that reason, I was under the impression that Fast would be able to fill in his shoes and provide more production.
But if this post season is any indication, it shows the importance of a player's determination to shoot the puck at nearly all costs. Fast shoots 2 shots per game, on average (I believe - if not 1.5 average). He has great vision, and is pretty speedy, although his speed is nothing compared to Hagelin's - from what i've noticed.
I label him as a depth player, who's ceiling would tend to be a 3rd liner and if not... most likely a 4th liner.
Kristo, on the other hand, seeks to create offense from nothing. He is an absolute defensive liability, while Fast is not. Fast is more complete, but his offensive potential is no where near that of Kristo's. Kristo shoots, similarly to Hagelin, at almost every opportunity. The importance of player's like this is understated.
And I'm not comparing Kristo to Hagelin. Kristo is fast, in his own way, but his shot is better, his vision is better, his puck handling is better. In the pre-season, Kristo was one of 3 prospects that stood out to me. One of 2. I'm not including Kreider as a prospect. Plus Kreider didn't have the best pre-season... but I digress.
More complete players who have focused on defensive responsibilities tend to be the ones that you put on the 3rd or 4th lines in a forechecking role. Players that maintain their highest offensive potential while also playing great defense are the ones that are considered superstars - like Toews and Crosby, etc. Shooting twice a game is unacceptable for a 1st or 2nd liner. Fast will likely never be an offensive difference maker - but a good depth player? Absolutely.
Comparing the two and their potential is where I rank them. Kristo, if he finds his potential, will be a 1st or 2nd liner capable of scoring 20-30 goals a season. Kristo's floor is much lower but ceiling much higher, but that's why prospects are called "prospects". The prospect of the guy is his potential, not where he is necessarily at in a given time.
What do you guys think about Duclair? The kid looks promising even though he suffered that concussion at the end of the year. Speedy and one hell of a shot. He was probably discussed already but I haven't had the time to catch up.
I hope he makes the team within the next few years. LW depth is low and he would help a bunch from what I've heard.![]()
I always like to look back a few years at some of the guys we drafted and either walked away from or traded. Here's where guys from some recent draft classes have ended up:
2011
Shane McColgan: 10 games in the WHL this year, then down to the BCHL
Peter Ceresnak: Spent all year in Slovakia's top league, played well, made the World Championship roster
2010
Christian Thomas: Played 2 games for MTL, spent the rest of the year in the AHL (27 points in 55 games)
Randy McNaught: Retired after the 2011-2012 season (he had the ankle injury)
2009
Ethan Werek: Played for Phoenix's AHL team, just 12 points in 48 games
Roman Horak: Traded from CGY to EDM, 48 points in 53 games for OKC in AHL, looks like he just signed in the KHL
Daniel Maggio: 48 games with Colorado's AHL affiliate
Mikhail Pashnin: Spent all season with Yaroslavl in the KHL--I think we still retain his rights
2008
Evgeny Grachev: Spent the year in the KHL with Admiral (17 points in 50 games), signed on with Lokomotiv for next season
Tomas Kundratek: Tore his ACL and played only 7 games in the AHL for WSH affiliate
Dale Weise: 61 games split between VAN and MTL
Chris Doyle: Played 2 games for a SPHL team
Mitch Gaulton: Retired from professional hockey after 2011-2012 season
2007
Antoine Lafleur: Retired from professional hockey after 2008-2009 season
Max Campbell: Playing in second division German league
David Skokan: Good player for Slavia Praha in Czech league, also on Slovakia's WC team and international roster
Danny Hobbs: Split time between Binghamton/AHL and Elmira/ECHL
I like to do this to remind myself of the long odds our prospects face, and also to illustrate that the guys we give up on--either through not giving them contracts or through trading their rights--almost never amount to anything at the NHL level. In that five year period, the "best" player we've let go was Dale Weise. So remember not to freak out when we decide to let someone walk.![]()
The combo I see is
LW Duclair, shoots L
C boo nieves, shoots L
RW Ryan Haggerty, shoots R, C pushed to W
I think that can make a homemade line for us!
i saw alot of talk about callie anderson (i think thts his name) he just got signed where does he end up and how good of a player is he?
i saw alot of talk about callie anderson (i think thts his name) he just got signed where does he end up and how good of a player is he?
They were that at the draft time. Much less bust concerns since then based on their respective development during last season.
Very intriguing size + skill combo, but seemingly disappointing development since he was drafted, which may or may not have been mitigated by situational factors surrounding the team for which he played. I am VERY curious to hear how he does in rookie camp. Even better would be if he could attend Traverse City this year and we could actually watch him play a few entire games against other teams' prospects.
Yeah, but I mean, he was really good in his first rookie camp in NY. Didn't he lead all players in goals during the scrimmages? And when you look back, those scrimmages held some good players.
Calle Andersson was also slotted to play junior hockey or maybe be loaned to the 2nd tier league his rookie year, but he played so well that he hanged on to a spot in the SEL as a 18 y/o. That is -- not -- dissapointing.
This year he signed with a 2nd tier team in Sweden, which is a good league, and the plan was undoubtedly for him to get a lot of ice time and to make the Swedish WJCs. But he had surgery in like March 2013 and he was out the entire camp and missed the first weeks of the season. He came back and was instantly on fire and played 1st pairing and 1st PP unit for a good team in the 2nd tier league. Then after say 20 games, things caught up with him and he started to struggle a bit. At the same time, his team lost a few Ds to injuries so they acquired a couple of new Ds. Calle just dropped a bit on the depth chart. He went from being a 19 y/o on a 1st pairing to a 19 y/o on a 2nd-3rd pairing, and didn't get to play as much etc. During the time he did play, he was a tad up and down. 10 minutes to go in games, his coach sometimes cut his ice time etc. He didn't make the Swedish WJCHs team.
So natrually this year was a bit of a dissapointment. This is the year you wanted to be able to pat your back and say -- wow -- what a pick this was, we picked a star on the Swedish WJCHs team in the 4th round. A 2-way D with a right handed haubitser who is perfectly comfortable on the PP point, while being able to hit and work the boards really well. A Swedish Weber? (ok that is a bit over the top...)
But you know, the marginals are small.
I think its good that we sign him. He is a long shot, but he does also have potential. Sometimes these kids just get going, and if Andersson can do that there is a lot to like about him. He is a big no-nonsense D who moves the puck well, got a haubitzer of a shot, excellent one-time slapper. The problem for his has just been that the pro-game at times has been a bit too tough for him, sometimes he is caught flat-fotted, then he gets rattled a bit, when he tries to play his game and a pass or two is broken up he is forced to take a step or two back to cut down on his misstakes and his strengths don't show as much.
He did fall below his 17-year old brother on the depth chart at the end of the season though. But Rasmus is an amazing talent.