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Prospect Info: 2013-2014 Rangers Prospects Thread *Part IV* (Player Stats in Post #1; Updated 6/17)

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offdacrossbar said:
andersson just signed in switzerland.

http://www.clarosports.com/news_stories/ev-zug-signs-calle-andersson-to-a-one-year-deal-13327971

if hes signed here by 6/15 hes free though. his dad coaches in the swiss league but hes not playing for his dads team. this is a hedge im sure so hopefully he is signed soon.

i dont agree that hes not a good prospect. he was a 4th round pick so he is what he is. considering we have absolutely no one who can do what he can do in the entire system, i think we might want to consider a contract. hes still young, hes big, he can skate and shows good puck poise and a strong shot. hes an offensive dman prospect. and remember, dmen take longer to develop. yada yada yada..... :laugh:

i dont get this organization some times. we have a number of dmen who have similar skill sets and that means ZERO offensive acumen. yet we love this type of player and continue to preach patience witht hem. calle andesson has something we could really develop and benefit from. would like to see him come over.

lets just wait for dylan mcilrath to develop by say... the 2017 season...... :shakehead
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Well, they did bring in Mat Bodie. And while I still think Andersson has a chance, his offensive acumen hasn't really materialized and translated into points as of yet. I agree we need to add some real puck-movers on the back end, but if the organization doesn't think Andersson is developing, he shouldn't be offered a contract just because in theory he brings something we lack.
 
offdacrossbar said:
andersson just signed in switzerland.

http://www.clarosports.com/news_stories/ev-zug-signs-calle-andersson-to-a-one-year-deal-13327971

if hes signed here by 6/15 hes free though. his dad coaches in the swiss league but hes not playing for his dads team. this is a hedge im sure so hopefully he is signed soon.

i dont agree that hes not a good prospect. he was a 4th round pick so he is what he is. considering we have absolutely no one who can do what he can do in the entire system, i think we might want to consider a contract. hes still young, hes big, he can skate and shows good puck poise and a strong shot. hes an offensive dman prospect. and remember, dmen take longer to develop. yada yada yada..... :laugh:

i dont get this organization some times. we have a number of dmen who have similar skill sets and that means ZERO offensive acumen. yet we love this type of player and continue to preach patience witht hem. calle andesson has something we could really develop and benefit from. would like to see him come over.

lets just wait for dylan mcilrath to develop by say... the 2017 season...... :shakehead
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He's not the "only" PMD in the system since we now also have Bodie, but even if he was, there's no reason to sign an average-at-best kid just because we lack that organizational depth. His toolbox is overblown because he's a big, right-handed puck mover and everyone here wants that on the team. In reality, he hasn't been all that impressive since he was drafted. Signing in Switzerland isn't a positive sign for a prospect with NHL aspirations.

If Andersson had shown the progression offensively that McIlrath has shown defensively, then maybe he would have been offered a contract. But that's all I'll engage you on regarding McIlrath considering he has nothing to do with Andersson's lack-luster development.
 
ODC, prospects are not signed based on their tool set, but the likelihood of playing in the NHL. Vernace was a PMD we needed, but unfortunately was nowhere near the NHL.

Needs change. When we had Pasta and MDZ as top prospects, we thought we were good there.

Even now, we think we are good on the LD, but if Staal leaves as a FA, we will be in a terrible position there with nobody ready to play the LD.

The team needs to stockpile whatever prospects it can get who have a legitimate shot at the NHL, then worry about needs when they make the NHL.
 
NYR2K2,

While many of the players you mentioned will leave, some will stay and others will be replaced. I can't imagine that management would just expose their farm squad. There is no benefit to having your minor league team get slammed 6:1 nightly.

I am sure some legitimate veteran replacement for guys like Haley and Asham will arrive and they will make it harder to make the team.

That said, MSC should make the AHL as a top-9 player not because it is easy, but because he is a talented 21 year old who works hard during the summer to improve himself. That's what he needs to prove this summer. If he instead chooses to spend this particular summer chilling on the beach with girls and smoking weed with boys, he will be a career minor leaguer for a few years, and then can work as a gym coach who will be watching players of similar talent but more hard work on TV.

While normally players don't have their crucial season until later, those players make the AHL straight from the juniors. MSC is in the ECHL. If he can't catch up after one year in the ECHL, he is not a legitimate prospect.


This will be his make or break season.
 
Beacon said:
NYR2K2,

While many of the players you mentioned will leave, some will stay and others will be replaced. I can't imagine that management would just expose their farm squad. There is no benefit to having your minor league team get slammed 6:1 nightly.

I am sure some legitimate veteran replacement for guys like Haley and Asham will arrive and they will make it harder to make the team.

That said, MSC should make the AHL as a top-9 player not because it is easy, but because he is a talented 21 year old who works hard during the summer to improve himself. That's what he needs to prove this summer. If he instead chooses to spend this particular summer chilling on the beach with girls and smoking weed with boys, he will be a career minor leaguer for a few years, and then can work as a gym coach who will be watching players of similar talent but more hard work on TV.

While normally players don't have their crucial season until later, those players make the AHL straight from the juniors. MSC is in the ECHL. If he can't catch up after one year in the ECHL, he is not a legitimate prospect.


This will be his make or break season.
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Yes, I didn't mean to imply that all of those guys will be gone, only that there's the potential for a lot of turnover and that roster spots will be up for grabs. If management thinks that any of those ECHL guys are ready for the AHL heading into next season (based on this year's play, upcoming camp/prospects tournament, etc.), they'll be given serious looks. If any of them spend any significant time in the ECHL, we'll have to look at that as a serious knock on their prospect status.
 
Why the heck sign in Switzerland though? I completely understand if he don't stay in Malmö which is a pretty messed up organisation but what do I know NLA maybe is a step up but it feels like the opposite.
 
snipeit said:
Why the heck sign in Switzerland though? I completely understand if he don't stay in Malmö which is a pretty messed up organisation but what do I know NLA maybe is a step up but it feels like the opposite.
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Isn't Malmö in the second tier? If so, going to the Swiss league might actually be a step up, no?

(Still, not a good sign unless the contract is simply a hedge.)
 
snipeit said:
Why the heck sign in Switzerland though? I completely understand if he don't stay in Malmö which is a pretty messed up organisation but what do I know NLA maybe is a step up but it feels like the opposite.
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Money, probably. Or perhaps he just wants a change. I'm pretty sure he was born in Malmo, so maybe he just wants to get out?
 
Not directly related to us, but maybe this means all the Minny guys are going back.

Schlossman ‏@SchlossmanGF 3m

Minnesota announced D Mike Reilly will return for his junior year instead of sign with Columbus. Big 10 D-man of the year.
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I think Calle going to EV Zug is great, IMO. It's just like the SHL in play style, so I think this will be good for him. It has an NHL-out clause by the 15th of June so there was probably a glitch in negotiations that they needed some more time to figure out. All we need to do is sign him, see how he does over in Switzerland and then evaluate his status. I just think it's a bit weird to think that the organization was really liking how he was progressing last year and then completely do a 360 on how they think about his development. It was also rumored a week or two ago that NYR was trying to get him signed.
 
Former North Stars GM Lou Nanne still lives in Minnesota and close to the Minnesota program. Minnesota booster. He had twitter exchange with a fan about Skjei. The Rangers have given Brady Skjei the option of staying in school or going pro. Its his choice. Now with Mike Reilly staying another year,Skjei will most likely be staying. Kyle Rau is a senior and he hasn't made a decision.

https://twitter.com/lou_nanne/status/469278376931639297

Gophers All-American defenseman Mike Reilly will return for his junior season.

Reilly’s decision was announced via the Gophers hockey Twitter account late Wednesday afternoon. He was thought to be the only player seriously considering the option to leave early for professionalhockey.

"I'm excited to be coming back to Minnesota next season," Reilly said in a press release. "We've been incredibly successful over the last two years, and I'm looking forward to more of the same next year."

Reilly, a 2011 fourth-round draft pick by the Columbus Blue Jackets, was the Gophers' lone First Team All-American and was the Big Ten Defensive Player of the Year. The offensive-minded defenseman scored nine goals and 24 assists as a sophomore. He will return to play with twin brothers and teammates Connor and Ryan.

The Gophers have yet to lose a player to early departure this offseason and lost only five seniors from its 2014 national runner-up lineup.

Forward Kyle Rau, defenseman Brady Skjei and goaltender Adam Wilcox were also considered possible early departures. Talk among the team is that Wilcox will also return.
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http://www.startribune.com/sports/blogs/261000151.html
 
As long as Skjei is going to be "the guy" on the blue line for the Gophers, I don't have any problem with him staying for another year. I definitely want him getting huge minutes, though.

Regarding Andersson, I would like to see him signed. Unless our scouts truly believe that he has stagnated and will never improve, I see no reason not to offer him a contract. Also, I think the whole thing about him being in the Allsvenskan versus the SHL is really overblown. Allsvenskan is only about half a step below the SHL, since teams can ascend from the Allsvenskan to the SHL via a tournament at the end of the season. It's not an AHL versus NHL situation at all. The level of play in Allsvenskan, while definitely inferior, is not all that different from the SHL.
 
Joey Bones said:
I think Calle going to EV Zug is great, IMO. It's just like the SHL in play style, so I think this will be good for him. It has an NHL-out clause by the 15th of June so there was probably a glitch in negotiations that they needed some more time to figure out. All we need to do is sign him, see how he does over in Switzerland and then evaluate his status. I just think it's a bit weird to think that the organization was really liking how he was progressing last year and then completely do a 360 on how they think about his development. It was also rumored a week or two ago that NYR was trying to get him signed.
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im with you here.

he had a wrist injury last season and he missed significant time.

this organization is thin at the puck moving d position and so it seems odd that they would not offer a contract to this kid.

as of fall of 2013, he was being considered as a future potential pp qb guy. now all of a sudden hes off the map?

considering some of the stiffs we've offered contracts to-- troy donnay ??? this guys upside seems to warrant a look see at what he can do over here.

hes only 20, hes been playing 2nd tier over there but has had time in the shl playing against bigger, stronger older guys.

unless were missing something, i still think a contract is forth coming.

i would like this kid in camp this fall.
 
offdacrossbar said:
im with you here.

he had a wrist injury last season and he missed significant time.

this organization is thin at the puck moving d position and so it seems odd that they would not offer a contract to this kid.

as of fall of 2013, he was being considered as a future potential pp qb guy. now all of a sudden hes off the map?

considering some of the stiffs we've offered contracts to-- troy donnay ??? this guys upside seems to warrant a look see at what he can do over here.

hes only 20, hes been playing 2nd tier over there but has had time in the shl playing against bigger, stronger older guys.

unless were missing something, i still think a contract is forth coming.

i would like this kid in camp this fall.
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Donnay showed a lot of improvement this season, which is something Andersson has yet to do, really. Now I'm not necessarily arguing that Donnay is a better prospect, but he's done more developmentally. Andersson actually spent time in the J20 again this season, and it wasn't just to rehab. When he was playing in the SHL, it was usually on the third pair. He saw some action on the PP2, but not always. It's not a good sign when your future PP QB can't earn a spot on the second unit for a second division club.

Is there upside there? In the year prior to his draft, he was highly regarded--you'd even hear him mentioned from time to time with Hampus Lindholm. Unfortunately, he has pretty much stagnated since. The skill set is desirable, but if the scouts haven't seen any progression, he shouldn't receive a contract. You obviously don't expect a kid to be a finished product at age 20, but you still need to see some development from him. I don't get to see him play, so I can't speak to his development personally, but everything we heard from our Swedish posters throughout the year seemed to indicate he wasn't doing much of anything.

It's hard to be high on Andersson at the moment, but I'm never opposed to giving a kid with talent an ELC with the hopes that the light turns on for them. With that said, if we don't offer him a contract I won't be upset.
 
nyr2k2 said:
Donnay showed a lot of improvement this season, which is something Andersson has yet to do, really. Now I'm not necessarily arguing that Donnay is a better prospect, but he's done more developmentally. Andersson actually spent time in the J20 again this season, and it wasn't just to rehab. When he was playing in the SHL, it was usually on the third pair. He saw some action on the PP2, but not always. It's not a good sign when your future PP QB can't earn a spot on the second unit for a second division club.

Is there upside there? In the year prior to his draft, he was highly regarded--you'd even hear him mentioned from time to time with Hampus Lindholm. Unfortunately, he has pretty much stagnated since. The skill set is desirable, but if the scouts haven't seen any progression, he shouldn't receive a contract. You obviously don't expect a kid to be a finished product at age 20, but you still need to see some development from him. I don't get to see him play, so I can't speak to his development personally, but everything we heard from our Swedish posters throughout the year seemed to indicate he wasn't doing much of anything.

It's hard to be high on Andersson at the moment, but I'm never opposed to giving a kid with talent an ELC with the hopes that the light turns on for them. With that said, if we don't offer him a contract I won't be upset.
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were he another face puncher or a defensive dman type, i would agree but hes unique in what he brings and for that reason alone, i would be more "patient" with him. isnt patience something this organization preaches with its young dmen?

we have quite a few 2 way dmen prospects. we have literally no other offensive guys, that we drafted, in the entire system and hes a righty shot which is useful as well.

heres a few numbers.

his u20 career since 11-12 is 79 27 41 68 total

his allsvenskan career since 11-12 58 5 17 22 total

his shl career is 34 1 1 2 total

playing age appropriate major junior u20 in sweden his numbers for a dman are very strong.

his 2nd tier pro numbers arent great but he was hurt in 13 and he changed teams and ended up in malmo.

in addition, in 13 he payed 34 games in the shl as a 19 yr old against pros. his numbers were weak but given his age and status, he played and that says something for a kid at 19 to play at that level.

i just dont understand how a kid who was so highly regarded 1 year ago has fallen so far in 1 season.
 
ODC,

If a player can't perform in the SHL level, he can't perform in the AHL. These two leagues are on a similar level. Even if the SHL is a little higher, for a Swedish player, the move to the AHL may be difficult because it's a different style of play.

If Calle Andersson came over, he'd likely start in the ECHL, which is roughly the level of the Swiss league. He's presently a third-tier player (the NHL is tier-1, the AHL/SHL/KHL are tier-2 and the ECHL, Switzerland, Finland and Czech, as well as Swe-1 are various degrees of tier-3).

If Calle came over to North America, the best place for him would be in a good college program.
 
Beacon said:
ODC,

If a player can't perform in the SHL level, he can't perform in the AHL. These two leagues are on a similar level. Even if the SHL is a little higher, for a Swedish player, the move to the AHL may be difficult because it's a different style of play.

If Calle Andersson came over, he'd likely start in the ECHL, which is roughly the level of the Swiss league. He's presently a third-tier player (the NHL is tier-1, the AHL/SHL/KHL are tier-2 and the ECHL, Switzerland, Finland and Czech, as well as Swe-1 are various degrees of tier-3).

If Calle came over to North America, the best place for him would be in a good college program.
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i respect your opinion while vehemently disagreeing with it on many levels.
 
offdacrossbar said:
were he another face puncher or a defensive dman type, i would agree but hes unique in what he brings and for that reason alone, i would be more "patient" with him. isnt patience something this organization preaches with its young dmen?

we have quite a few 2 way dmen prospects. we have literally no other offensive guys, that we drafted, in the entire system and hes a righty shot which is useful as well.

heres a few numbers.

his u20 career since 11-12 is 79 27 41 68 total

his allsvenskan career since 11-12 58 5 17 22 total

his shl career is 34 1 1 2 total

playing age appropriate major junior u20 in sweden his numbers for a dman are very strong.

his 2nd tier pro numbers arent great but he was hurt in 13 and he changed teams and ended up in malmo.

in addition, in 13 he payed 34 games in the shl as a 19 yr old against pros. his numbers were weak but given his age and status, he played and that says something for a kid at 19 to play at that level.

i just dont understand how a kid who was so highly regarded 1 year ago has fallen so far in 1 season.
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He was "so highly regarded" three years ago, before he was drafted. He went from being talked about with Lindholm to a fourth round pick in 2012 for a reason. Then, he didn't do a whole lot in 2012-2013 and did even less (on a relative level) this season.

His Allsvenskan total is actually 14 points in 52 games, which is even less impressive than what you posted for a guy who is supposedly an offensive defenseman. While his J20 production has been impressive in sheer numbers, Swedish junior hockey is not comparable to Major Junior over here. Thomas Spelling, for example, just recorded 51 points in 40 games as a 20 year old in the Danish top league. Is that impressive? Who the hell knows? J20 isn't much different in terms of knowing whether production is good/great/bad/irrelevant.

His fall has been a few years in the making. He just hasn't done much developing. I think it's 50/50 at best on him getting a deal.
 
I don't think its easy to make a call on Calle Andersson.

A couple of things:

-His first year in the SHL wasn't bad. Its 1) a good league and 2) nobody can score by themselves in that league, ie stats from the SHL can only be looked at in perspective of the environment a player is in. Play Erik Karlsson on a 3rd pairing with no PP time and I would by my right arm that he wouldn't score 20 pts in 50 games. Its not bad at all for a 18 y/o to hold a roster spot and play solid hockey.

-Calle was hurt in like March/April 2013, had surgery, got back on ice a week after the season this year had started. The 2nd tier league in Sweden, Allsvenskan, is also a good league. I saw all the NHLers there during the lockout. Cam Fowler had 2+5 in 14 games in that league. He didn't stick out much. I am not saying that Allsvenska is a better league than the AHL, it is not. But today, believe me, the diffrence between the leagues is at the bottom line not big. Bobby Ryan in Allsvenskan was compareable to say Kopitar in the NHL, Ryan don't become Jagr in his prim II at that level.

Calle is playing at an intensly competetive level. A big market team that has built a new arena for a ton of money, and then is demoted to the 2nd tier league. The coach for that team got one of the top 20 most toughest jobs in the World in terms of pressure. That is one big diffrence between any league outside the NHL and these leagues in Europe. An organization with 50-100 employees direct and indirectly that is extremely close to going bankrupt all the time, which would result in the team having to start from scratch in the 5th tier league, meaning that it would take 4 years just to get back from the beer-league levels.

Its a good place to be in because nobody will ever cut any corners.

The downside is that nobody will cut corners inorder to take care of a young player.

-The above showed for Calle during the year. He came back, was on fire from the get go and got a lot of ice time. Then he had some up and down periods, which is not strange for a kid that missed camp and only is 19 y/o, but nobody really pulled him through it. Instead he was left kind of on the outside (3rd pairing etc, replacement players were signed and so forth).

Now he has signed with EV Zug in the top league in Switzerland for one year. The question is if we sign him and loan him back to Zug or loose his rights. I don't think its an easy call.

He is a big and very smart hockey player. He has a good right handed shot, and very solid natrual PP instincts which is pretty rare. His downside is that he hasn't yet put everything together. He does a lot of awsome things on the ice, but what is most important for a D is to play that solid game litterary shift in and shift out.

I think he can go pretty fast in either direction next season. He needs to have a big year coming up. If he does, he should have been signed, if he doesn't, we betted on the wrong horse. I think you in the end need to look at the big picture. The players we do sign are often not that good, and many don't become solid AHLers. In light of that, the risk on Anderssson is maybe worth taking. But I don't think its a no-brainer.

Andersson does have potential though. The real core in his game isn't there though. Its hard to imagine how good he would be in the AHL, he would be out of place in some areas and good in others (think McIs rookie year for a fair comparision probably, with Calle's strengths being offensive while McIs where physical).
 
Mackenzie Skapski @Skaps29 · 35m
Very excited to have signed with @NYRangers I would like to thank my family, coaches, teammates/friends for helping me open a new chapter.
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Third player signed from that 2013 draft. Looking reaaaaaal good right now.

He's earned that deal. Happy for him. Expect to see him back in the Dub next year though.
 
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