Prospect Info: 2013-2014 Rangers Prospects Thread *Part III* (Player Stats in Post #1; Updated 4/8)

[Hi ImHFNYR]

With Miller called up, there is a good chance he graduates as a prospect. This would be our top 20 in my mind:

1. Fast
2. Duke (may become #1)
3. MCI
4. Skjei
5. Allen
6. Lindberg
7. Butcher
8. Kristo
9. Hrivik
10. Tambellini
11. Skapski (trending)
12. Nieves
13. St. Croix
14. Yogan
15. Kantor
16. Bourque
17. Graves
18. Donnay
19. Hughes
20. Noreau

The list is not as impressive as it was in the past. Maybe if The Duke becomes a blue chipper and we acquire some prospects for Girardi, Cally and/or Boyle, we would be ok, but as of now this list looks rather weak.

Hartford will be particularly empty of prospects a year from now.

I think Duclair, Kristo, McI, Skjei,Fast makes for a nice top 5. I fully expect 3 of them to make the NHL within 2 years and be contributing. Fast I think will be a 2nd/3rd RW for us for years and years and I feel very confident both Skjei and McI will be playing D although I have no clue if it's top 4 or bottom pair. I don't think either Dman will be ready next season either so there is still some wait time on them

. I don't feel confident enough about Duclair bc all I can see are his stats but the reports about his skating and style make me very excited. Kristo I am not sure about.

After that Lindberg is a solid prospect we all expect to become a 3rd liner, Allen has already played and succeeded at the NHL level so we all expect him to be an NHLer. Buch is playing with professionals and more than holding his own which is always a great sign especially at his age. I still like Yogan and Hrivik and expect them to push for the top spot in the AHL or maybe even for a callup or two like Miller has been getting.

Borque is a solid AHLer, I think MSC will still become a good top 6 AHLer next season, I like Skapski a lot. So all in all there's enough talent that looks to be improving and pushing up the depth chart from the NHL on down which is all you can hope for. We'll draft some guys this year too of course and may get a prospect or two to squeeze around our top 8. We may get an Undrafted FA or two as well. So in the end we'll be a middle of the road ranked pipeline again which is just fine so long as guys keep panning out the way they have been

Not for nothing but even if JT doesn't count in HF rankings he's still a prospect if he's being shipped b/t the AHL and NHL next year. Hope he's ready by then though. Just like how HF didn't count MDZ as a prospect his sophmore season but for the sake of common sense he basically was still one.

That list lacks a sexy name like Kreider and Stepan. But when is the last time we drafted a guy who became a perenial all star at forward?

Obviously we got Hank but at goal, McD we can all see will be a perenial all star but he was a trade piece, Girardi was an all star once and was undrafted. So who at forward did we draft and watch blossom into an all star? I think besides Hank the only other all star we've drafted was Staal and obviously he hasn't been perennial

 

[ArPanet]

Kristo can be a ufa summer of 2015 if he doesn't play 80 games for the Rangers. Probably best to trade him soon.

 

[Beacon]

Here are my projections:

1. Fast is ready now and will be as a middle-6 player.

2. Lindberg will make it as a bottom-6 C at some point in 2014-15.

3. One or two among Hrivik, Yogan, Bourque, Nieves, Tambellini, Kantor or St. Croix will make it as bottom-6.

4. One of Duclair, Butcher or Kristo will make it as a top-6 winger.

5. Of the 3 defensemen (Allen, MCI and Skjei), one will become top-4 and the other two will be on the bottom pair. If one of them faulters, one of the lower prospects (Graves, Donnay, Hughes, Noreau) may surprise.



So we'll likely have one top-6 forward, one middle-6 forward, 2 or 3 bottom-6 players, one good defenseman and two low-end NHL defensemen. That's 3 solid players and 4-5 depth guys.

Not awful, but we are so used to getting top prospects every year and that won't continue.

2003-04: Tyutin
2005-06: Lundqvist
2006-07: Callahan, Girardi
2007-08: Dubinsky, Staal
2008-09: Korpikoski
2009-10: Anisimov, Sauer, Del Zotto, Boyle
2010-11: Stepan, Zuccarello, McDonagh (whoa, what a rookie class!)
2011-12: Hagelin
2012-13: Kreider
2013-14: Talbot


Every year there were really good players who made it. I didn't event include lesser players like Hollweg, Betts, Orr, Gilroy or even Prucha.

Next year's addition of Miller, Fast and likely Allen and MCI will be very solid, but subsequent to that, I don't think we'll be able to consistently pull top-9F/top-5D rookie every single season.

 

[Beacon]

Kristo can be a ufa summer of 2015 if he doesn't play 80 games for the Rangers. Probably best to trade him soon.

Didn't realize this. With 0 NHL games so far, odds are he's a UFA in 2015. Honestly, I'd let him get some NHL experience right now just to get him a dozen games under the belt towards preventing the UFA status. This way even if he can't make our team next year, maybe a lower team would want to grab him and view him as a long-term asset. If he has to play 80 out of 82 games, you can't rely on him not hitting free agency because he might get a small injury at some point even if he is a solid NHL player.

 

[nikonsniper*]

That list lacks a sexy name like Kreider and Stepan. But when is the last time we drafted a guy who became a perenial all star at forward?

So who at forward did we draft and watch blossom into an all star? I think besides Hank the only other all star we've drafted was Staal and obviously he hasn't been perennial

We don't draft high enough to get top-end legit #1 forwards. In the modern era of NHL scouting, late gems are few if at all.

The closet we might have come was going to be Cherepanov, and we were only "lucky" enough to have that chance because it was the height of the 'russian facor' paranoia. If he was canandian, he would have been gone by #5.


The best we can hope for are the tweeners, like Stepan and Kreider, or the late-rounders that become "better than average" like Callahan and Dubinsky.

Now, pulling guys like Kredier at #20, or finding players like Callahan and Dubi is still good drafting. But you cant do better without the better picks. Getting a Malkin/Tavares/Kane/Towes/Ryan/Seguin/RNH/etc outside top 10 is a near statistical impossibility, regardless of your drafting prowess.

 

[Beacon]

We don't draft high enough to get top-end legit #1 forwards. In the modern era of NHL scouting, late gems are few if at all.

The closet we might have come was going to be Cherepanov, and we were only "lucky" enough to have that chance because it was the height of the 'russian facor' paranoia. If he was canandian, he would have been gone by #5.


The best we can hope for are the tweeners, like Stepan and Kreider, or the late-rounders that become "better than average" like Callahan and Dubinsky.

Now, pulling guys like Kredier at #20, or finding players like Callahan and Dubi is still good drafting. But you cant do better without the better picks. Getting a Malkin/Tavares/Kane/Towes/Ryan/Seguin/RNH/etc outside top 10 is a near statistical impossibility, regardless of your drafting prowess.

Nikonsniper,

The Rangers should swing for the fences in the second or third round with guys like Thomas and Duclair. Eventually, one will become a star.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Nikonsniper,

The Rangers should swing for the fences in the second or third round with guys like Thomas and Duclair. Eventually, one will become a star.

Josh Ho-Sang.

 

[nyr2k2]

Skapper picked up a win last night. Stopped 22 of 23 shots.

Also interesting to see is Troy Donnay fighting tough guy Michael McCarron. Donnay held his own. One of the fears with Donnay is that his frame is too slight--he's 6'8" but just 185 or so. The guy he fought was 6'6" and 235. He hung in there. He might be one of those guys that is extremely lean but still very powerful. If his skating and positioning have improved as Erie fans seem to think, he might be one to watch and more than just organizational fodder. Donnay in black:

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

We don't draft high enough to get top-end legit #1 forwards. In the modern era of NHL scouting, late gems are few if at all.

The closet we might have come was going to be Cherepanov, and we were only "lucky" enough to have that chance because it was the height of the 'russian facor' paranoia. If he was canandian, he would have been gone by #5.


The best we can hope for are the tweeners, like Stepan and Kreider, or the late-rounders that become "better than average" like Callahan and Dubinsky.

Now, pulling guys like Kredier at #20, or finding players like Callahan and Dubi is still good drafting. But you cant do better without the better picks. Getting a Malkin/Tavares/Kane/Towes/Ryan/Seguin/RNH/etc outside top 10 is a near statistical impossibility, regardless of your drafting prowess.

We had our 2 top 10 picks with Brendl and Lundmark, we had Malhotra, Montoya. We just missed on all of our chances back then. Then we had our shot at Giroux, we had 03, we had a shot at Tarasenko (who may not become an all star but he has a realistic shot) all in the 1st round so this doesn't even count the entire rest of the draft where all stars are picked up every so often. So what is that 03, 06 and 10 we had a shot in the 1st round alone. You REALLY have to go through with a fine tooth comb to find these freakin all stars even in the first round though so you aren't wrong. But I was wondering all the same when was the last time we did it. It's not meant to be an indictment of our drafting so much as a genuine curiosity. Someone we drafted, they stick with us at forward and become perennial all stars. We've had our luck with D men and goalies

 

[Raspewtin]

Mike McCarron is not good. Waste of a 1st rounder from the Habs.

Cool to see Donnay go with him though.

In other news, Graves' team lost 4-0 to Drummondville, though Graves escaped with an even +/- , and 4 shots.

 

[nikonsniper*]

But I was wondering all the same when was the last time we did it. It's not meant to be an indictment of our drafting so much as a genuine curiosity. Someone we drafted, they stick with us at forward and become perennial all stars. We've had our luck with D men and goalies

I honestly can't think of one.

We've only has ONE top-5 pick (and that was the #4 in 1999, the worst NHL draft of the last two decades) since 1966, where we took Park with the #2 (and he's a D).



The only forwards we drafted that has any kind of 'star' career in the last three decades:

Savard (1995) 700+ points
Kovalev (1991) 1000+ points
Weight (1990) 1000+ points
Amonte (1989) 900+ points

And all of them are in the "hall of very good" type players, not superstars who battle for the top of the league.

In fact, the best forward we ever drafted is either Kovalev or Rick Middleton.


I know part of drafting is skillful scouting and luck, but there is simply no coincidence that this team does not draft star forwards without getting top draft picks.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Al Montoya was a top 5 pick. What a draft that was. Ranger luck.

Should have had a top 5 pick in 2005. Guess we wound up with Pouliot anyway though!

 

[ecemleafs]

Al Montoya was a top 5 pick. What a draft that was. Ranger luck.

Should have had a top 5 pick in 2005. Guess we wound up with Pouliot anyway though!

wasnt he 6th overall? the 2 years we sucked the most were such ****** drafts outside of 2 players at the top of the 1st round in both.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

wasnt he 6th overall? the 2 years we sucked the most were such ****** drafts outside of 2 players at the top of the 1st round in both.

Yea my bad he was 6th. Remembered 5th for some reason.

 

[ecemleafs]

Yea my bad he was 6th. Remembered 5th for some reason.

wasnt like there was anything aroudn that pick anyways to make it memorable. that 1st round was 99 bad.

 

[Punxrocknyc19*]

what are the chances of Pavel Buchnevich coming over at 20 (might need time in minors) or will he wait till 22-23 to fill out, get bigger and work on his skills so he can come straight to the NHL without any time in the minors??

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

Looking back at it I realized the better question would be who after the first 5 picks ever became a perenial all star across the whole league. I was looking through every draft from 04 til 2010 and it's a supremely small list of all stars( A list Girardi and Staal would make) let alone perennial all stars. (A list Girardi and Staal wouldn't make) Really drives home how extremely skilled the perennial all stars are.

 

[Josh3217]

What's the deal with Fogarty?

 

[Fitzy]

what are the chances of Pavel Buchnevich coming over at 20 (might need time in minors) or will he wait till 22-23 to fill out, get bigger and work on his skills so he can come straight to the NHL without any time in the minors??

I guess it depends on next season. If he becomes near a PPG player over there I'm sure NYR would be eager to get him over here. If he doesn't progress, it'd be better for him to stay on and try to improve in a league better than the AHL.

Buch wouldn't be coming here to be a grinder, so teaching him the AHL game would be of very limited utility.

 

[haveandare]

Skapper picked up a win last night. Stopped 22 of 23 shots.

Also interesting to see is Troy Donnay fighting tough guy Michael McCarron. Donnay held his own. One of the fears with Donnay is that his frame is too slight--he's 6'8" but just 185 or so. The guy he fought was 6'6" and 235. He hung in there. He might be one of those guys that is extremely lean but still very powerful. If his skating and positioning have improved as Erie fans seem to think, he might be one to watch and more than just organizational fodder. Donnay in black:

Is he seriously 6'8" and 185? That sounds borderline unbelievable, and that guy didn't appear to be 50 pounds heavier than him.

 

[nikonsniper*]

wasnt like there was anything aroudn that pick anyways to make it memorable. that 1st round was 99 bad.

99 was really, really bad. Ultra-bad. Basically only the Sedins, Havlat, Miller, and Z came out of that draft.

 

[Punxrocknyc19*]

99 was really, really bad. Ultra-bad. Basically only the Sedins, Havlat, Miller, and Z came out of that draft.

Taylor Pyatt also came from that draft, over 800 games.. Jordon Leopold 2ed round pick, Adam Hall also 2ed round pick


a lot of players playing over 600 games from this 99 draft. Niklas Hagman over 700 games.. Niklas Havelid over 600 games.

Chris Kelly another over 600 games.. not a lot of stars but a lot of solid NHL players..... Ryan Malone also over 600 games.. Radim Vrbata also came out from this draft.


http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl1999e.html

 

[Levitate]

Taylor Pyatt also came from that draft, over 800 games.. Jordon Leopold 2ed round pick, Adam Hall also 2ed round pick


a lot of players playing over 600 games from this 99 draft. Niklas Hagman over 700 games.. Niklas Havelid over 600 games.

Chris Kelly another over 600 games.. not a lot of stars but a lot of solid NHL players..... Ryan Malone also over 600 games.. Radim Vrbata also came out from this draft.


http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl1999e.html

The first round was incredibly disappointing...lots of guys people thought had great upsides that either busted hard (lol Brendl and Lundmark) or never really were as good as people thought they'd be. Stefan, Connolly, probably Pyatt, even Barrett Jackman never really turned out to be all that great despite winning the Calder. He turned into a solid 2nd pairing guy that makes Blues fans angry a bunch.

Absolutely brutal draft by the Rangers though. Not a single vaguely NHL level player in their post first round drafts, and of course the Brendl and Lundmark busts that crushed everyones hopes for years

 

[nyr2k2]

Buchnevich wrapped his game up. He finished with two assists.

 

[kovazub94]

Buchnevich wrapped his game up. He finished with two assists.

Two assists in 2:1 win for Severstal. They are currently in 10th place fighting for the last remaining play-off spot (#8th) in Western Conference, 4 points behind (in KHL 3 points for regulation win).