Prospect Info: 2013-2014 Rangers Prospects Thread *Part III* (Player Stats in Post #1; Updated 4/8)

[haveandare]

It's with regard to statistical significance. In sciences such as chemistry and physics, results can be replicated in experiments.

When dealing with fluid results, such as in psychology or behavioral finance, the results aren't black or white, so it is measured in terms of correlations rather than causation, as causation cannot be proven when results can't be replicated on a 1:1 scale so it cannot be claimed as fact or a direct cause.

If you ever come across a scatter plot graph, the results are always in terms of correlations.

Yes, I understand that, but the idea can also be used far more simply to illustrate the effects of outside factors in a relationship that appears to be causal. Ice cream sales increase with murder rates. Ice cream doesn't cause murder though, those numbers are correlated because of another factor, weather, which affects them both. Ice cream sales increase with high temperatures, as do murders.

I don't want to go too OT, so I'll apply it to the post before. You suggested that the 11-12 team didn't have predatory hits thrown against them because they were tougher. They were tougher and didn't have predatory hits against them, but I'd argue that there's no causal relationship between the two. To support that point, I'd say look at the Bruins, who are by far the toughest, meanest team, and who also happen to be the victims of predatory hits more often than most other teams. Is there an outside factor that is obscured here? Probably not, at least not one that effects both of the others. I think which teams get hits like that and which don't is almost completely luck.

 

[Mikos87]

Yes, I understand that, but the idea can also be used far more simply to illustrate the effects of outside factors in a relationship that appears to be causal. Ice cream sales increase with murder rates. Ice cream doesn't cause murder though, those numbers are correlated because of another factor, weather, which affects them both. Ice cream sales increase with high temperatures, as do murders.

I don't want to go too OT, so I'll apply it to the post before. You suggested that the 11-12 team didn't have predatory hits thrown against them because they were tougher. They were tougher and didn't have predatory hits against them, but I'd argue that there's no causal relationship between the two. To support that point, I'd say look at the Bruins, who are by far the toughest, meanest team, and who also happen to be the victims of predatory hits more often than most other teams. Is there an outside factor that is obscured here? Probably not, at least not one that effects both of the others. I think which teams get hits like that and which don't is almost completely luck.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5dsmcPnqkc

I'm not advocating having "goons" to serve as peace keepers. I'm advocating MOAR FIGHTing, and retaliation when our guys get hit. The link above shows DZ initiating and Kopecky reacting... but I absolutely love the fact that both Prust and Rupp went after him after the fact.

Perhaps it's blood lust on my end, or perhaps I like having a team that isn't going to get pushed around. But I believe having guys step up for each other creates a sense of brotherhood, and bond that creates a strong sense of camaraderie that lends itself to team chemistry.

In the video above, DZ 2 hands Kopecky, Kopecky cheap shots DZ. Prust tackles him and then Rupp goes in, warns Kopecky to drop the the gloves, giving him the opportunity to square up. Kopecky doesn't and takes a beating. None of the FLA panthers do anything about it.

BTW that ice cream example is a classic example of cor-relational analysis. You're getting a good education, and it shows.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

I think hypothetically 4 prospects can make the team next year:

-Kristo
-Fast
-Lindberg
-McIlrath

I think 2 of them make it realistically. Another 1-2 take spots in event of injury.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

I think hypothetically 4 prospects can make the team next year:

-Kristo
-Fast
-Lindberg
-McIlrath

I think 2 of them make it realistically. Another 1-2 take spots in event of injury.

No Miller? No Allen?

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

No Miller? No Allen?

Whoops, Miller I am assuming is a lock for the 3c. Of the other 4, i'm assuming 2. My fault.

No Allen. I like him more than Moore but AV seems to really like Moore.

I think McIlrath takes Stralman/Klein's spot depending how Stralman's contract situation goes.

Allen will have to over take Moore and i'm not so certain even if he does do that in the preseason, if Moore will lose his spot.

Prospects deserved spots more than Poo and Pyatt this year and P and P still got the spots.

 

[Doctyl]

Allen can play the right. He seems more ready than McI right now.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

Allen can play the right. He seems more ready than McI right now.

Right now. Still another half a year.

Also, AV really likes the 3-3 balance between right and left handed shots.

Allen might very well have to play that right handed side, but I think AV is more comfortable slotting a natural right handed shot there.

 

[BroadwayStorm]

When the Undertaker finally gets up here and starts destroying people and protecting Henrik no one is going to care where he was picked in the draft. All those people who love Jeff Beukeboom now are going to orgasm with a broken in McIlrath.

 

[bhamill]

The reason Boston takes some cheapshots is because no matter how many tough guys you have, when you have guys like Marchand playing cheap and dirty and not answering the bell, you'll have headshots, ect directed at YOUR team in retaliation. And the other team will feel comfortable refusing a Thornton dance invite since Marchand has refused 5 already that game from them.
If you don't think aggressive players take into consideration who is on the other team and use it to gauge what they can get away with, you are nuts. And no Stuart in that split second doesn't hold up on his hit on Nash, but he has a far more cautionary mindset going INTO the game and so is not liable to be playing that reckless and carefree a physical style and that elbow has a good chance of not being thrown because of it..

 

[Fitzy]

Going on record as saying I really, like Allen, and think he will be an NHL regular, if not with us, than someone else. Said the same thing about Sauer back in the day.

 

[Beacon]

I think hypothetically 4 prospects can make the team next year:

-Kristo
-Fast
-Lindberg
-McIlrath

I think 2 of them make it realistically. Another 1-2 take spots in event of injury.

Allen and Miller can make it as well.

 

[surf]

Most of this board never saw Beuk play so they have no idea what a player like McI HOPEFULLY will bring to the table.

When the Undertaker finally gets up here and starts destroying people and protecting Henrik no one is going to care where he was picked in the draft. All those people who love Jeff Beukeboom now are going to orgasm with a broken in McIlrath.

 

[Beacon]

Most of this board never saw Beuk play so they have no idea what a player like McI HOPEFULLY will bring to the table.

<=== Feeling older than dirt because in my mind, it is fairly recent.

 

[darko]

Allen, Fast and Miller make the team next season. Lindberg gets a look midseason. McIlrath and Kristo spend most of the year in the A. JMO.

 

[Lime]

<=== Feeling older than dirt because in my mind, it is fairly recent.

Haha, that's interesting to hear. I missed him by a few years and still to me it was forever ago when the Rangers were made up of Leetch, Messier, Barnaby, Holik and everyone else who played the last couple seasons before the 2005 lockout.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

Allen, Fast and Miller make the team next season. Lindberg gets a look midseason. McIlrath and Kristo spend most of the year in the A. JMO.

Kristo looked dynamic in the preseason. They let him loose in the first month of the AHL and he was head and shoulders above everyone. They took him aside and told him they knew he had offensive talent and that they wanted him to focus on better decisions with the puck. AV said about a month and a half ago that he had been hearing very positive reports on his development.

I'd be very surprised if he wasn't in the NHL next season - whether that be with the Rangers or another team.

Allen would need to take over the incumbent Moore. It's possible. I think Allen is more responsible and a better puck mover.

I think McIlrath is going to be ready by the start of next season. I really do. Personal opinoin mixed with the trend he's had these last 2 years to improve. He's also, nearly there. We have 2-3 more months left in the AHL. I think he is ready by start of next year too.

Miller is ready now.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Kristo looked dynamic in the preseason. They let him loose in the first month of the AHL and he was head and shoulders above everyone. They took him aside and told him they knew he had offensive talent and that they wanted him to focus on better decisions with the puck. AV said about a month and a half ago that he had been hearing very positive reports on his development.

I'd be very surprised if he wasn't in the NHL next season - whether that be with the Rangers or another team.

Allen would need to take over the incumbent Moore. It's possible. I think Allen is more responsible and a better puck mover.

I think McIlrath is going to be ready by the start of next season. I really do. Personal opinoin mixed with the trend he's had these last 2 years to improve. He's also, nearly there. We have 2-3 more months left in the AHL. I think he is ready by start of next year too.

Miller is ready now.

I'd be thrilled if you were right, but based on the games I've watched, I'd put their state of readiness as follows:

Fast
Miller
Allen
Lindberg
Kristo
McIlrath

Which is not to say that they're all miles away - there are many things to like about Kristo and McIlrath's games - just that they have the most significant things to work on.

For McIlrath, it's keeping his balance and not getting beat to the outside.

For Kristo it's not making boneheaded, Brad-Richards-circa-2012-2013 passes on the rush and at the offensive blueline.

 

[coolbean04]

Most of this board never saw Beuk play so they have no idea what a player like McI HOPEFULLY will bring to the table.

LOL, I'm 32 and remember Beuk clearly in my mind. You're telling me most people on here are younger than 32?

 

[TheRightWay]

LOL, I'm 32 and remember Beuk clearly in my mind. You're telling me most people on here are younger than 32?

I'd guess that 30-35% of posters here are under 21.

 

[eco's bones]

I'd guess that 30-35% of posters here are under 21.

Probably more like 50%. Anyway I'm 56--I saw all of Beukeboom's career with the Rangers. Been watching the Rangers since 71-72--so a lot of others as well.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

<=== Feeling older than dirt because in my mind, it is fairly recent.

Yeah, young board. Look up cloutier-salo on you tube.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Going on record as saying I really, like Allen, and think he will be an NHL regular, if not with us, than someone else. Said the same thing about Sauer back in the day.

I like Allen too and he held his own on the call up. I read that he's forcing his passes or puck carrying and getting his pocket picked too much. Can someone who is more Pack familiar chime in, maybe it was one game.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Probably more like 50%. Anyway I'm 56--I saw all of Beukeboom's career with the Rangers. Been watching the Rangers since 71-72--so a lot of others as well.

Shame how it ended, prob had another 3 years in him. A game like his ages well.

 

[surf]

I would guess most are 15/16

LOL, I'm 32 and remember Beuk clearly in my mind. You're telling me most people on here are younger than 32?

 

[surf]

I remember the play but cant remember why Johnson suckered him?

Shame how it ended, prob had another 3 years in him. A game like his ages well.